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gerbick 2011-09-14 13:26
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Originally Posted by kevloral (Post 1088160)
Excuse me? Ever heard of MOAP-S? It is declining now, but the historical situation and marketshare of Symbian in Japan has always been very, very different to that in the US.
Declining... keyword. Care to cite the percentage of how much it has declined?

And yes, heard of it, but since I'm here, at Maemo where we tend to like things open, I tend to ignore the continued to be closed source MOAP.

And Nokia has effectively pulled out of Japan twice. Once for Nokia, once again for Vertu.

When I was in Japan in 96-97, Nokia actually advertised. When I was there in 2004, I didn't see a thing.

abill_uk 2011-09-14 13:26
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1088167)
But.........but, N900, N950, N9 and all of current and previous Symbian phones are iPhone clones. Everybody like iphone, it's the original, everything else is copyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy............
Are you on drugs?????.

abill_uk 2011-09-14 13:28
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Popcorn time everybody :D here we jolly well go and into battle..... talle hoooooooo

gerbick 2011-09-14 14:39
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088181)
Are you on drugs?????.
Lay off the personal attacks. There's really no need.

abill_uk 2011-09-14 14:47
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1088219)
Lay off the personal attacks. There's really no need.
What are you on then? that was not an attack, it was an assumption because of the comments he made.

danramos 2011-09-14 14:55
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088224)
What are you on then? that was not an attack, it was an assumption because of the comments he made.
Come on... that was personally aimed at him as an insulting attack. You can do better than that and debate with the best of us... I've seen you do it once in a while. Just.. hold off the reactive personally insulting comments, please. At the very least, try to be jovial if you have to make it personal--so it's not as much of an attack. :)

http://pleco.org/heh/Bunny.jpg

gerbick 2011-09-14 14:55
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088224)
What are you on then? that was not an attack, it was an assumption because of the comments he made.
Then it's quite possible that your assumption is quite wrong and your statement can be taken as a personal attack.

Simply stated, why not approach others without trying to incite a riot with hyperbole and outlandish assumptions? That is my kind request for today.

number41 2011-09-14 14:56
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I'm on rum.

...problem?

danramos 2011-09-14 14:58
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Originally Posted by number41 (Post 1088234)
I'm on rum.

...problem?
AHHA!! THAT's why the rum's gone!
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile..._6723591_n.jpg

abill_uk 2011-09-14 15:00
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Originally Posted by number41 (Post 1088234)
I'm on rum.

...problem?
YESSSS i am jelous :p i am on coffee and i aint got any RUM.... can you give me some please ;).

abill_uk 2011-09-14 15:03
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1088233)
Then it's quite possible that your assumption is quite wrong and your statement can be taken as a personal attack.

Simply stated, why not approach others without trying to incite a riot with hyperbole and outlandish assumptions? That is my kind request for today.
I was on drugs last night because this forum gave me a headache AND you still aint told me what your on !!! :p.

danramos 2011-09-14 15:09
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088239)
I was on drugs last night because this forum gave me a headache AND you still aint told me what your on !!! :p.
I can understand how talking about Nokia's CEO might have that effect, yes.

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-14 15:23
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088178)
As much as i want to see your point i cannot because i cannot for the hell of me see what the similarities are between the iphone and the N9... care to tell me?.
You arent serious, are you?

gerbick 2011-09-14 15:30
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088239)
I was on drugs last night because this forum gave me a headache AND you still aint told me what your on !!!
Drugs are bad, mmkay?

I have honestly been wanting to say that.

blue_led 2011-09-14 15:32
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1087852)
.............
Elop gave you N9. Nokia is stupid in even doing that. When survival is on the line, you have to focus on your best chances. Meego isnt it
Wrong ! Where can I buy it ?
He just inherit N9 and without Intel agreement in place eLOP would throw N9/xx with a big grin on his face

patlak 2011-09-14 15:36
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1088181)
Are you on drugs?????.
Sorry, I forgot to put /sarcasm :)

Got you there mate ;)

patlak 2011-09-14 15:38
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1088253)
You arent serious, are you?
Answer the damn question, don't follow with a stupid question.

patlak 2011-09-14 15:40
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1088231)
Come on... that was personally aimed at him as an insulting attack. You can do better than that and debate with the best of us... I've seen you do it once in a while. Just.. hold off the reactive personally insulting comments, please. At the very least, try to be jovial if you have to make it personal--so it's not as much of an attack. :)

http://pleco.org/heh/Bunny.jpg
That's what happens when someone forgets to put /sarcasm ;)

hotnikkelz 2011-09-14 15:58
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Pointless debate. I can see similar elements in iphone, android, symbian/meego. The better argument will be who did it better....and right now as statistics show, it's iphone and android. What we personally prefer is irrelevant...stats are stats.
One may argue oooo, ppl went android because of lack of alternatives....so what...whose fault is that?

Anyway Nokia has been FULL OF FAIL for a while now. It may continue to be, but at least there is some direction. A year ago we didn't know what the fuk was up with them. I hate OPK WAY more than Elop.

I wish Rich Green was CEO :D

marxian 2011-09-14 16:10
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088272)
Anyway Nokia has been FULL OF FAIL for a while now. It may continue to be, but at least there is some direction. A year ago we didn't know what the fuk was up with them.
The Nokia ship spent some time circling a big iceberg. Now it's heading directly towards it.

patlak 2011-09-14 16:18
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Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1088274)
The Nokia ship spent some time circling a big iceberg. Now it's heading directly towards it.
So true, couldn't say it better myself.

patlak 2011-09-14 16:22
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088272)
Anyway Nokia has been FULL OF FAIL for a while now. It may continue to be, but at least there is some direction. A year ago we didn't know what the fuk was up with them. I hate OPK WAY more than Elop.
OPK WAY is revealed and ready, MeeGo Harmattan and Symbian Belle. Where is Elop WAY? Oh yeah, it's the current share price and crappy WP7 sales.

hotnikkelz 2011-09-14 16:35
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1088282)
OPK WAY is revealed and ready, MeeGo Harmattan and Symbian Belle. Where is Elop WAY? Oh yeah, it's the current share price and crappy WP7 sales.
I'm pretty optimistic that WP7 sales would pick up quite drastically with the second wave of devices. Wanna bet? ;) seriously.

Under OPK we would've had no accouncements of any phone till mid 2012, then get a phone released probably early 2013 which probably would've been crappy, like the n96, and the n97. This is how he rolled.

LMAO @marxian...that is someTitanic ish that could very well be true. We'll wait and see. They STILL have an opportunity to change their strategy if/when this current one fails. I can see THIS Nokia and co adjusting. OPK and Co. however would stick with failing strategies for YEARS. Honestly though Nokia has nothing to lose here. WP7 fails you reshuffle funds back to R&D and finish Meego, shouldn't take long at all after seeing meego/harmattan.

patlak 2011-09-14 17:02
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088293)
I'm pretty optimistic that WP7 sales would pick up quite drastically with the second wave of devices. Wanna bet? ;) seriously.

Under OPK we would've had no accouncements of any phone till mid 2012, then get a phone released probably early 2013 which probably would've been crappy, like the n96, and the n97. This is how he rolled.

LMAO @marxian...that is someTitanic ish that could very well be true. We'll wait and see. They STILL have an opportunity to change their strategy if/when this current one fails. I can see THIS Nokia and co adjusting. OPK and Co. however would stick with failing strategies for YEARS. Honestly though Nokia has nothing to lose here. WP7 fails you reshuffle funds back to R&D and finish Meego, shouldn't take long at all after seeing meego/harmattan.
The unique UI is WP7's selling point. That didn't pick up, so I doubt future devices will change that. People still remember Kin One/Two, Zune, etc.

danramos 2011-09-14 17:02
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088293)
I'm pretty optimistic that WP7 sales would pick up quite drastically with the second wave of devices. Wanna bet? ;) seriously.
That's purely speculative and it's interesting that it is, considering you're responding to speculation with further speculation.

How about this: I'd bet you that WP7 sales will pick up SOOOOOO drastically with the second wave of devices... that it will continue to be as irrelevant a platform as it is right now. An also-running third, possibly fourth party to the handset wars the way it is now. :)

...also: Oh, poor Zune... used as an example of another also-ran!

patlak 2011-09-14 17:11
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1088316)
That's purely speculative and it's interesting that it is, considering you're responding to speculation with further speculation.

How about this: I'd bet you that WP7 sales will pick up SOOOOOO drastically with the second wave of devices... that it will continue to be as irrelevant a platform as it is right now. An also-running third, possibly fourth party to the handset wars the way it is now. :)

...also: Oh, poor Zune... used as an example of another also-ran!
I bet Maemo 5 sales will pick up, wanna join ;)

danramos 2011-09-14 17:27
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1088324)
I bet Maemo 5 sales will pick up, wanna join ;)
I sincerely doubt that. I do, however, suspect a continuing rise in Android sales eating everyone else's lunch. :)

http://pleco.org/heh/om-nom-nom-nom-cat-bites-dog.jpg

hotnikkelz 2011-09-14 17:44
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This entire thread is about speculation, how come it's wrong when i do it? :)

So danramos, patlak....you wanna bet? 5 dollars, paypal ;) it'll be fun, and at the end the winner can say, i told u so!! :D

danramos 2011-09-14 17:55
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088355)
This entire thread is about speculation, how come it's wrong when i do it? :)

So danramos, patlak....you wanna bet? 5 dollars, paypal ;) it'll be fun, and at the end the winner can say, i told u so!! :D
I don't bet money, otherwise I would have invested in Nokia.. I think that alone speaks volumes all by itself. :)

hotnikkelz 2011-09-14 17:59
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1088315)
The unique UI is WP7's selling point. That didn't pick up, so I doubt future devices will change that. People still remember Kin One/Two, Zune, etc.
That is very straightfoward but flawed thinking. It just goes to show simply that unique UI is NOT ENOUGH for WP7 to succeed. Microsoft HAS to excel at EVERYTHING to make an impact....unlike Apple for eg. They deserve that too :D

ericsson 2011-09-14 18:09
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1087718)
It's not that I'm not interested, but you already come across as a FOSS and Android guy by your posts and sig. I naturally assumed anything related to microsoft products in mobile isn't to your and most posters' here fancy, given their history. If your reason is akin to that, then there's no need to explain.

Also, I'm not an Apple fan in the slightest....out of all the platforms it's the one I dislike the most. As i will keep saying. I hope that the partnership with Nokia turns out to be successful because I like Nokia, and I'd like to see them return to their glory, no matter what strategy they use and whether or not I agree with it or not (which I don't mind you)
Well, see, the "problem" with danramos is that he pretend being all for FOSS, but what it all comes down to is that danramos is just a common fanboy. He is full of hot (and foul) air, and nothing else no matter how hard he tries to look "interesting" or cool.

The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-14 18:26
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Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1088262)
Answer the damn question, don't follow with a stupid question.
You arent serious. Are you?

BigBadGuber! 2011-09-14 18:34
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I bet that Nokia couldnt get any lower and bought a bunch of shares for long term, 5-6 years, dont really care how long. There was no doubt in my or other analysts minds that the pre-Elop course was not sustainable. Nokia was out of USA for years. As apple and droids start doing well in the USA, they invaded Europe and Asia. Nokia was now losing its home turf. The Taliban are now the only faithful customers of Nokia. Maemo was a dead product for few enthusiasts. N900 was a fun product (use it to IM at night, since I like the keyboard), but not a portable device as compared to others for every day ease of use. N9 is not revolutionary enough, so what is the best strategy for NOKIA? Exactly what Elop did. Perhaps he was too loud about it, perhaps he offended some pro-Europe only high tech company sensibilities, perhaps Taliban are unhappy that Nokia is in bed with Americans, but the bottom line is that Elop needs to turn the company around and make them money. Such a turnaround will take time. Elop has a lot of money riding on this, as his incentives and so on are structured on how he succeeds over the next few years. What is so difficult for this crowd to understand? Your pet project Maemo/Harmattan/Meego is of limited interest to the outsiders. Be happy that you are getting N9 and kiss Elop feet for making it possible.

marmistrz 2011-09-14 18:54
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I wish Elop was fired...

hotnikkelz 2011-09-14 18:56
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1088369)
I don't bet money, otherwise I would have invested in Nokia.. I think that alone speaks volumes all by itself. :)
OK how about the loser puts in their signature that the winner is their master and owner and I give him my lunch money :D

Laughing_Man 2011-09-14 19:42
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1088408)
... What is so difficult for this crowd to understand? Your pet project Maemo/Harmattan/Meego is of limited interest to the outsiders. Be happy that you are getting N9 and kiss Elop feet for making it possible.
What most people don't understand, is that Elop is just means to an end. The end? Getting money. Since Google wasn't going to pay extra to have another manufacturer make android handsets, they went with Microsoft. So they appointed a guy that could make that quickly.

And let's face it. No CEO in the world makes a billion dollars agreement with another company, and make drastics changes after just being hired without some agreement from the board.

Personally, both Microsoft and Nokia made a great move. Nokia has the tools WP7 (and Windows 8 in handsets?) so desperately needs.

TLDR version: Elop is just a guy hired to do a job. And he did a good job.

danramos 2011-09-14 21:05
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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1088388)
Well, see, the "problem" with danramos is that he pretend being all for FOSS, but what it all comes down to is that danramos is just a common fanboy. He is full of hot (and foul) air, and nothing else no matter how hard he tries to look "interesting" or cool.

The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.
Personal attacks as a form of defense of FOSS and Nokia... THAT's going to win debates, though. Master debater strikes again!

danramos 2011-09-14 21:20
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1088424)
OK how about the loser puts in their signature that the winner is their master and owner and I give him my lunch money :D
Tempting, but no. :) We'll simply just see who has bragging rights for being right or wrong.

gerbick 2011-09-14 22:38
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Man (Post 1088454)
TLDR version: Elop is just a guy hired to do a job. And he did a good job.
Bingo. Sadly, it's not the job we enthusiasts wanted him to make, but let's be honest. These decisions were in place before Elop really was in power. So now that he was hired, it was a mission to get those things done.

"Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because its the only thing going on..." - Ric Flair

gerbick 2011-09-14 22:47
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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1088388)
Well, see, the "problem" with danramos is that he pretend being all for FOSS, but what it all comes down to is that danramos is just a common fanboy. He is full of hot (and foul) air, and nothing else no matter how hard he tries to look "interesting" or cool.
Before you jump the gun, I'm not taking up for dan, he's a man himself; however you do know that many apply the same logic to you.

For instance... you speak about FOSS, yet you love Bada. It uses parts of Linux, BSD, et al and yet has copyrights on top of it, has closed libraries... pretty much, it's sorta a one-for-one for Maemo in quite a few areas.

However, it's nothing more than just as many say... people like what they like. You chose your OS. He chose his.

Quote:
The last 6 months he has done nothing but being negative about everything Nokia: the N900, the N9, Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo. According to danramos there are something "wrong" with every little bit that comes from Nokia.
Ever thought the negativity is warranted? I've ebbed and flowed between voice of anger and voice of reason; however Nokia's moves make little to no sense to most and their antics of continued deliverables not coming in a fashion where most others have ramped that up has left them behind... among other things that tend to anger geeks.

Regardless... watch how you point fingers. Three more are always pointed back at yourself when you do that.


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