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Well, and sometimes I don't even respond to the attack itself because, and let's be honest, it's overt, distracting flame-bait begging for more personal insult back and doesn't really address the topic or discussion going on around it. I seem to recall being reminded about that by ysss and yourself and others ages ago when I used to fall for that more often. :) At any rate, all the negativity, as you rightfully pointed out, is mainly due to the snowballing effect of more and more negative experience, details and worsening divergence from what USED to be the InternetTabletTalk's devices and Nokia's pitches about open-source. I feel justified in pointing these things out and I'm not aware that there is any kind of rule against speaking such things out loud here. Personal attacks and flame-baiting, on the other hand...

Now... getting back to the discussion of Nokia wanting a new CEO... :)

Although the topic was originally about OVP, now that we've been stuck with Elop, does anybody know if ANYBODY from the incredibly dimwitted board that managed to ruin the local Finnish economy, jobs and future know what any of them have said about Elop since replacing the old boss with the new boss?

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You're such a spoiled sport. You seemed so confident that you'll be correct ;) don't pussi out on me danny poo.

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they love him in finland. he is the saviour

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yes you can there is a documents app and google docs and microsoft office 365 web works with it.

i am surprised elop have lasted so long, previous CEO lost 50% stock in 4 years, while maintaing nokia sales grow, sadly not the marketshare.

elop burn 50% in 4 months, managing to decrease symbian sales.

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Dan a man? yea sure :) I point my finger anywhere I like. I have always done so, and regarding mr hate nokia himself dan, I have abselutely no regrets or second thoughts.

Elop does a first class job. He may not do the job you want, but he most certainly does the job the board want, and that is all that counts. Personally I have purchased the best phone I have had, the E6. Symbian Anna, soon to be upgraded to Symbian Belle. I will get the N9 soon, the coolest phone so far in this century. All this has happened during Elop. In not so distant future, I will also get a Nokia WP.

Regarding dan. The boy doesn't own a Nokia that's not older than 4-5 years. He doesn't care for the N900, he doesn't care for the N9, he is demonstrating hatred towards everything Nokia in every post he is making. He is just a clown, or he has some serious personal problems. That's not kind words, I know, but it is the sad truth.

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last person i asked about this, they said you can open docs but not edit with documents app. Google docs work, but naturally that is non native....as well as office 365. I would prefer to have native support for obvious reasons.

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If you were smart enough, you'd know that Elop didn't bring you E6, N9, N950, X7, N8, etc. He brought their demise. Those phones take years to develop, but only one letter can kill them upon reading.

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Why is it flawed? That's what the whole point of WP7 was. WinMo 6.5 was super functional, but lacked eye-candy. Look where they both stand now...

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Yep, doing what the higher ups really wants is all that matters for the community. I'm quite sure an unfairly convicted man will praise the guards for doing what their superiors told them to, especially if what they're doing is walking this man down death roll.

Personally, I think you wholly miss the point. It doesn't matter if Eflop is doing a great job for the people who hired him; all that matters is, he is performing a rather massive disservice to all of us who wanted MeeGo and open phones. If his bosses are happy, I couldn't care less; I'm not.

It's getting to the point where it feels that if Nokia was to release a phone made out of crap, limited edition, you would quite glady go ahead and smear sh*t all over you face while taking a call, just because Elop and the board stand behind such a literally crappy device.

And don't get me wrong, but you're getting personal with Dan. Makes no sense to do so.

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I thought the point was to do what the consumers want, and they surely don't want WP7. He is putting the company at stake by using a third party OS that sells poorly. Better risk things like that with a proprietary OS.

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I already said why it's flawed, you're saying UI is basically the only thing that could make it sell, and if that fails to win them over then it's over. You totally ignore EVERY merit of the OS other than UI.
I'm saying UI is not everything and it showed, consumers want UI PLUS massive functionality. The whole package Have you used a WP7 phone? Have you used it with mango preleases?
Symbian is also functional and lacked eye candy as well. It just reiterates my point. Initial release of WP7 DID NOT deliver on function, Mango, changes that. If you check the reviews, most reviewers saw the POTENTIAL of the platform (due to it's unique UI), but panned its functionality from the get go.

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You're basing this on <1 year of poor sales? harsh. Let's wait on a wave of new devices at least from Nokia then conclude. As i keep saying, a LOT of people want to see WP7 on Nokia hardware.
Besides it's not like Nokia cannot fall back to another strategy. What is the worse that can happen? They''ll just have another n96 or n97 among a shitload of crap devices that they've made before but at least this time they'll have a shitload of money that Microsoft gave them

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And that job was to prepare Nokia to be sold to Microsoft.

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What has he done that is just so praiseworthy? I mean, seriously... list out three different things that have had a positive effect on Nokia so far.

Be specific.

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1. Phasing out of Symbian.
2. Formed strategic partnership with MS
3. Continued support for innovation in hardware and user experience, N9, and future devices.
4. Restructured the company, and challenged it to re-inovate

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Symbian's sales have been the only bright spot in this last quarter. Well that and a hefty payment from Apple.

Yet to produce any fruits from that... but we'll see. Patience is required for this part.

Was already in place before he got there. He didn't stop it, so... yeah, I'll give you that one.

Extra points for your bonus! But can you really call this a restructure when honestly he's taking their existing budgets, moved it to Windows Phone 7. Reappropriation is more like it. But that's semantics.

Again, that last bit requires patience. Nothing has come from these changes yet. In fact, Symbian Anna and Belle seem to have gotten a bit leaner, faster (on updates) and have inherited some faster hardware.

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gerbick, you're arguing with a marketing shill. Don't bother.

It's painfully obvious the guy just copy-pasted some drivel from some marketing handbook. (I mean, come on! 'Restructured the company, and challenged it to re-inovate'? Only corporate prostitutes and people with lobotomies can speak in this manner with a straight face.)

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This community may well be about Nokia devces but it is NOT Nokia, it is actually a community based on progression of Maemo and Meego so what is the point even of talking about what Nokia have done wrong?.

What is to the point is what the community may have done wrong and how to get it moving forward in a positive way with positive idea's.

EVERY member of this community should ONLY be interested to talk and do about Maemo and Meego and the proggresion of.

And even trying to push iphone on this forum will eventually get you very disliked on here.

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The question still stands, why risk it all on something that has not proven itself when they have MeeGo/Maemo which have both gathered much more interest? Nokia is shooting a moving target in the dark.

Symbian Belle could be Nokia's saviour, if one high-end device releases, plus it would be easy to switch to MeeGo when/if it releases and have those apps transferable since they are developed in Qt. Do you see Nokia's planned ecosystem and Microsoft's inability to "fit in?" Also, the same Ovi store was planned for the low-end S40 since it will be getting high-end 1GHz hardware also.

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They wanted crashing sales and a crashing share price? Mmm... he has done a good job then :rolleyes:

It's clear either the board are just as incompetent as Elop or they have received personal inducements to back him.

Before Elop NOKIA had sold the most smart phones in every single quarter ever. The handset division had never made a loss in any quarter ever. He's utterly destroyed that impressive long-standing record in a matter of a few months.

No doubt the teeniest-tiniest upturn from the pitiful position NOKIA now occupy and you'll be hailing it as some kind of vindication but NOKIA are now much more likely to crash and burn than ever recapture their number one position.

Even if they did recapture their number one spot with WP7 Elop still wouldn't have done a good job because he could have adopted WP7 without announcing he was killing Symbian so NOKIA didn't need to miss out on the billions of Euros of sales Elop's ridiculous announcement has cost NOKIA in the mean time.


Ah, the outstanding contractual obligation phone that Elop is sabotaging on behalf of his real boss Steve Ballmer.

Are you trying to give Elop credit for the N9? If so you're being absurd (again).

Have a look at this blog post by Felipe Contreras who is a NOKIA software engineer that actually worked on MeeGo for the N9.

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Felipe was too slow. He only has himself to blame for not producing a product on time. Elop did the right thing. Cut the dead wood

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Newsflash: N950 was supposed to be announced in February and released in March. Elop made it all look like it's not his fault.

EDIT: Also, upper management has the final call, when/where it will be announced/ released, advertizing, etc. Elop, perfectly made the final call.....BURNING PLATFORM....

Keep praising Elop. I think you should start a religion, Elopism.

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I'm not arguing anything. I want to see if people can continue to heap praise upon Elop without putting forward anything concrete.

So far, that's been the only consistent truth in that quest.

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What 'risk all' factor is everyone referring to? Am I missing something? Neither you nor myself know the details of the contract, but that will be a stupid thing to be an all or nothing strategy. They MUST have a fallback option.

Consumers have shown that they don't want Symbian they same way you guys say no one wants WP7....it's market share is dropping drastically. I'm not sure if Belle would change that. Maybe, maybe not :/ 1Ghz isn't high end anymore. Dual core 1Ghz is. s40 and QT will live on. The question is will Meego? I'm sure it will if their WP7 fails. They'll have no choice really.

I didn't understand your question on Nokia and Microsoft 'ecosystem fit in' bit. Care to be more specific as to what you mean?

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Yeah, and that option is to be eventually bought by Microsoft, as a future MS Mobile Phone Division, delivering Windows Phone 10.5 'It will definitely work for sure this time around' edition.

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I guess, this might be the fallback option:

Sales actually have picked up even though Symbian has been pronounced dead. That was the reason for drastic decrease in sales of Symbian handsets. Oh....also the N97. With Symbian Belle, Nokia is actually doing a turnaround, finally giving people what they drooled over for years. Flashy UI, Symbian familiarity, Qt, 1GHz CPU (and yes it still is high-end; until software is properly optimized for dual cores, single core 1GHz is still high-end), super fast GPU, more RAM, and all of the other goodies that come naturally with buying a Nokia device.


If the deal is successful, everything Nokia will die eventually. Actually, it goes both ways; if Nokia does fail, hello MS Mobile division.

MeeGo + S60 + S40 + Qt + Ovi Store + Ovi Services = Nokia's planned ecosystem, before Elop.

Where does MS with it's WP7, 7.5, 8, etc fit in the above???

Is it a risk-all? Yes, it is. And I say this because Nokia has both Symbian Belle and MeeGo, both of which have satisfied consumers' desires and yet they continue hardheadedly towards a dead end.

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@tkatchev
That doens't make a lick of sense to me. Why? Think about it for a sec. So you partner with a hardware manufacturer, and the platform fails. You buy that hardware manufacturer....the platform will succeed?! There's no logic here. You keep losing and so you buy the loser and keep losing some more??! See where I'm going with this? If Nokia wanted their division to be bought, they would've sold it on the get go.

@patlak
Where have you got that information on Symbian picking up? All stats I've read, have shown Symbian plummeting drastically...cuz of Elop. The damage done is severe to the point I'm not optimistic that Belle could bring it back. One can only hope.
High end for symbian cannot be high end. What would you call samsung's dual core 1.2 Ghz exynos.. You have to look at it RELATIVE to what is out there. Symbian is frugal, great for symbian, but the hardware they put with it is not high end, more like mid range. Maybe a couple aspects, but definitely not CPU.

That ecosystem you mentioned has not changed except for Meego. From what I have gathered, s40 QT, Ovi Store and Services will continue for the lower spectrum. Ovi store is intended to blend with Microsoft's marketplace. Their services like navteq navigation etc are going to be used with Bing etc. Nokia may have their own special hub on Nokia only devices....which may be the differentiation from other WP7 devices.

Meego is what we're losing here, and it's what upsets everyone here. That and the way he went about killing it. The platform has been in development for so long and has so much potential and based on a shitload of FOSS...yet we're getting a severely limited release.

I will repeat that customers are NOT happy with Symbian at all (they were once upon a time), hence the predicament Nokia is in. Check ANY review of ANY symbian device and see for yourself.

Symbian Belle is NOT mainstream, so it does not count. Noone has a Meego device so how are their desires fulfilled?! This dead end you're speaking of is based on <1 yr of lacklustre sales on a very unpolished platform. Quite harsh....let's wait and see how it pans out, let's see some new devices on a much more polished OS...see how it goes THEN, we can spread the hate. Everyone is jumping the gun a little too quick. I can equally say continuing with Symbian is the real dead end...I have more reason to say that than you all do with WP7...but i won't ;)

Anyway, Elop is still an ******* though.

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Symbian's sales were increasing right up until Elop announced he was killing it, they were just increasing at a lower rate than the expansion of the overall smart phone market. It was facing a very gradual erosion of market share because of that, not because sales were going down. Symbian has a very high level of functionality, it's just has a rather fusty UI. NOKIA could undoubtedly have made Symbian sales increase further and faster by upgrading the UI.

Now Symbian Belle can not change anything, no matter how good it is, because Elop has lost the support of carriers and large retailers by announcing Symbian is obsolete. It is that loss of support that has caused the absolute nose-dive we have seen in the last few months.

Within the last week I've received a flyer from Tesco with their mobile phone deals, it had the iPhone, various Android handsets (from HTC, Samsung and LG) and a BlackBerry but there was only one NOKIA handset in the whole pamphlet and that was a Series 40 phone in the cheapo section.

It's a similar story if you pick up the mobile deals brochure from Argos, NOKIA is now invisible.

If you went out specifically to get a NOKIA handset I'm sure you still could but no outlet is trying to promote them anymore.


The change to dual core is because they consume less battery power, not because single core offers inadequate performance. Symbian is expert at sipping power so this wont be a big issue.


The sales of S40 devices has also nose-dived in the last few months, it seems they are tainted by association.

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ah, the ongoing "contractual obligation" comments....:rolleyes:

This, dare I say FUD, has been bandied about by lots of people, and many times I've asked them to back this up with some actual evidence of any contractual obligation, but all I get is silence.

Despite multiple searches, i'm yet to find anything, anywhere to suggest any contract, but it stilll seems to surface at TMO.

If anyone has proof of this (imaginary) contract, can you post a link?

edit; your reference to s40 in your last post is true, but also reflects a move away from featurephones generally. latest statistics show traditional featurephone users are now migrating to smartphones, which eitherway, is another punch in the guts for Nokia, becasue right now, it;s all they have left, thanks to elop.

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Whaaa? That's unfair! I'm Italian and I will not give away my right to mismanage a high-class company like Nokia to its total destruction! Canadians are certainly not better at that than us Italians!

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You are indeed arguing. The problem is that you have the attention span of a gold fish, and I dare say it is all for the sake of arguing, or else you are just plain stupid. You don't just turn around Nokia in a day. It is amusing to read the arguments here. The N9 and E6 is not due to Elop because it takes years to develop a phone, yet Elop is a disaster because he hasn't turned around Nokia in less than a year. My point was that despite Elop "destroying Nokia", I am getting the best phones from Nokia. You see, the problem is not Nokia or Elop, the problem is that you are a bunch of cry babies and common fanboys that feel betrayed. So you go danramos by getting a droid or iphone and criticize everything Nokia. Pure fanboyism, and it is pathetic.

Nokia had Symbian that costs an arm and a leg to develop and it takes ages. Belle will be excellent, but it comes 3 years too late. Meego is a pipe dream. Maemo is dead. Qt and Swipe are the only things worth going fwd with.

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I don't argue with people. Nor do I appreciate being called "stupid". Consider your post reported.

I have no time for your lack of ability to answer a simple question, nor your ham-fisted approach at what civil people call a discussion. I have no patience left for the likes of you or your kind.

Can't discuss? Move aside and let the adults do what you cannot.

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Ballmer: Windows Phones aren't selling very well, but we're not worried

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/b...-but-were-not/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....1316079743.jpg

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I agree with much of what you said. Keep in mind I know the merits of a 1Ghz processor and symbian's functionality. I was simply pointing out the fact that it regardless it is not high end.

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Samsung Overtakes Apple in Smartphone Sales [Europe]

From the article:
Beyond the Samsung/Apple fight, Android has indeed been the number one in terms of overall market share, and there is probably nothing that Apple can do as the iPhone 5 is unlikely to change the trend. The loser in the story? Nokia. Despite a historical strength in that Market, Nokia’s market share is quickly eroding – now the jump to Windows Phone 7 is more than ever a “do-or-die” for the company.

Source: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/09/sam...-sales-europe/

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I have been saying ths long enough on here and the more Nokia slumps the more WP is make or break time for them, Microsoft on the other hand will always pull through obviously and it would be an obvious choice for them to buy out Nokia at the point it becomes the only thing left to do.

Microsoft went in at the exact right time in the life of Nokia, the timing could never have been more precise therefore WP MUST be groundbreaking for Nokia.

Money talks in this world far more than people can without it.

Have you never thought of this as a deliberate plan by Microsoft to own Nokia at a bargain price?.

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Nokia may never again get the chance to even be able to choose a new CEO.

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well the current ceo is an idiot they better do something quick before nokia loses more market share I honestly dont know what they're doing anymore

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Yes i agree also and the startling thing about all of this is Nokia under his direction will never produce anything else but WP, daunting or what.

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Yes, it's counterintuitive, but that's been the Microsoft Way since forever.

Remember that Microsoft isn't here to make money. Out of hundreds of Microsoft divisions, only two actually turn a profit -- Windows and Office.

All the others serve only as a way of strengthening the Windows monopoly while making other choices less viable.

The same pattern is at work with the Microsoft-Nokia 'partnership'.