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Really?

Take a look at these numbers:

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/Ea...tRevenues.aspx

Microsoft, as any corporation (Google, Apple, etc) is in the business to make money. Just because they aren't making money right now doesn't mean they won't be going to make it later. Just look at the entertainment division, they were bleeding cash a few years ago, and now it's profitable.

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I realize that logic escapes a lot of people here. Their speculation is led by pure hate more than anything else

@abill
Everything you said, made no sense

@tkatchev
NO.

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Heheh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RHVoFpncgA#t=2m6s

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Why oh why are some people one track minded?????? baffles me completely how some can only stay on one track and seemingly not get off it.

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Yes i am reffering to YOU, my god your brain must be stifled.

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Right? No kidding! Some people have such a tiny, meager little one-track mind that they can't process anything else or keep up with other things going on!
...erm... what was your point again?

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If you talk about anything BUT the N900 on here then your classed as an outcast or a lepor.

Wise folk have an open mind and can talk anything not just say..... do not understand you.

Amazing people on here sometimes.

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I want to see this Windows revolution because Maemo has been grounded completely BUT when you even attempt to talk WP, the war starts on this Nokia based forum that is now going the direction of Windows.

All i see is Maemo is THE god THE only way and you dare not talk anything else.

nb rant over.

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Oh look! I've found the direction of the windows discussion...

http://www.ebossnow.co.nz/wp-content...T-DOOR-PIC.jpg

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OK. Let's talk Windoze. Here's a classic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Yc0z9KSsn4

:)

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Very good and memories are made of this etc but i want to see where this merger is going and what incredible os we are about to encounter because let's face it.... do we have a choice with Nokia?.

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No, but we have a choice without Nokia. :) We don't have to pin our flag to the Nokia mast. I'm quite happy to jump ship if I don't like the direction it's sailing in.

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OOOO dont say you will jump from the NOKIA ship on here, my god you will be hung from the quarterdeck wipped and stoned :p.

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I don't think there are many Nokia fanboys remaining. If another manufacturer were to offer a compelling MeeGo device, I'm sure many people would leave Nokia without a second thought. Sadly, it appears that MeeGo is stillborn (in terms of widespread adoption), and there won't be any more Maemo devices, so it's difficult to know which is the best future direction. Personally, I'm going to stick with my N900 until there is a true replacement. I'd like to see this place head back towards the ITT format, so we can openly discuss all available alternatives without any whiff of allegiance to a particular manufacturer.

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Got to congrat you on this post as it speaks good common sense and i have to say that your one of a very few on here that can post without sarcasm even intended and put your viewpoint across.... a true English gentleman ;) a quality rare to find these days !!!.

Likewise i am sticking with the N900 untill i can see a clear investment in the future.

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the entertainment division still is billions on the hole.

only saving grace forced xbox live income.

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N900 fanboys...hellllooooooo...this is a 21st century after all!!!

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I'm really really hoping, that Elop would see the sales and response from the n9 and be FORCED to continue it. Oh i wish. Also wish Samsung might pick it up but seems like they're going with their bada platform tsk tsk.

@abill
typing any more responses to your spam is a waste of time...everyone in the forum feels the same way I'm sure :) this is my last....

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We still dont know what the sales will be. The fact that Finnshave preordered a lot of N9s doesnt mean much. There arent many Finns in the world anyways. Only time will tell.

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I got it from The Register.

If you don't believe it I'll be most interested to hear your theory for NOKIA designing and building the best smart phone in its history and then not releasing it in any of its major markets.

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Surely the 'best' of something is purely down to personal opinion?

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You are so classic pathetic lost sucker that it's unbelievable. Maybe Nokia is cynical enough to plan all this. No N9 is the US and UK, and suddenly the N9 is as by magic the "best" Nokia has ever made, according to US and UK tech sites and blogs.

It's a phone, no more, no less, but it's only a phone. You treat it like it's some evil instrument to be used by evil eFlop to screw you all over. Get a life.

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Wait... are you being sarcastic?

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absolutely !!!!!!!!!

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Latest report from Halmstad in Sweden::

I want Mr Elop to get fired and my Nokia N9 in my hand.

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You got a gun ??????

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Would I be right in thinking your testicles haven't descended yet?

Does your mummy know you're here being rude to grown-ups?

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Point taken...

perhaps I should say 'arguably the best' instead ;)

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The funny part is that you don't have a clue why I used those words, but only see at a random insult. Proves my point in the first place.

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What point might that be? Use small words. Make it clear.

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There. fixed that for you.

Yes, the Register is truly the wellpool of all things Nokia. God forbid you're actually referring to the article by Andrew Orlowski, because:

a: He's been wrong so many times, I'm surprised the register keeps him as a columnist

b: even that articel has NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE

My theory is a simple one.
Wrangling behind closed doors, between Elop and the board resulted in:

A decision to release the N9 as a "test the water" device, having already invested in Harmattan to the point where it was almost commercially ready when the WP strategy was announced

A determination to keep Harmattan (and Meego) as a backup OS in the event that WP is a complete failure in the high end market.

An agreement that the N9 would not be released to markets where it may impact on possible sales of WP handsets

sound too far fetched?

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This means Elop needs only one thing... success, and he will do ANYTHING to gain this even if it means shelving the N9 totally.

Business stratagy predicts the reason the N9 is not out and his dreamboat WP gains momentum and eventuall release.

This is the very reason the N9 is doomed and even more so IF WP is a success.

So yes i agree with your comments.

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The point is that my "point" is crystal clear. I'm a simple and straight forward man, figure it out.

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Gadgetizor stated the same thing and arstechnica also cited it as the most logical explanation.


Could it be considered a valid 'test' when you've already announced the OS wont be supported and then you don't release the device in any markets where your brand has a following anyway?


Samsung, HTC and LG already make WP7 devices, everybody already knows WP7 is a complete failure in the high end market.

Steve Ballmer certainly knows it even if you don't.



Certainly doesn't add up.

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Your posts are invariably an insult followed by an assertion (or another insult), there's never any substance or any reasoning.

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Of course internet blogs, sites and tech news groups never plagiarise or copy each other at all :rolleyes:

I wouldn't suggest for a minute (if I knew what i was talking about) that the Asian market, nor Eastern europe doesn;t already have a strong brand following for Nokia. In fact it's the USA that hasn't got any real strong following for nokia devices and the UK is also seeing major falls in product sales for Nokia.

One big thing that countries like Australia and many asian Markets have is a strong link and familiarity with symbian and no interest in WP, which is why selling the N9 in these areas won;t impact on overall WP handset sales.

Perhaps you could open your mind enought to consider that all these companies you mentioned are retaining WP hadsets for product diversification? Wow. what a novel idea!

Furthermore, perhps you should also have a look at all the "announcements" made by the various CEO's and the subsequent reversals....

Elop indicated that they would not be releasing any more Meego devices, and yet previously stated they would retain it for "future disruptions" and yet as for the " no more Meego" devices, was he referring to Harmattan "Meego" or "real" meego?
If I remember correctly, LG publicly announced their GW-990 and stated they would be the releasing it, only to shelf it at the last minute and they actually had working Moblin handsets for people to play with prior to the 180.
These people talk as much shiiite as many here on TMO and all for a multitude of reasons, not withstanding outright hypocracy, including diversion and an overinflated sense of their own control, of their companies, regardless of a board that could sack their azzes in a heartbeat.

If anyone believes for a minute that Nokia isn't keeping something back, they need to go and have a good hard look at the fine print surrounding their "future Product" announcement.

Regardless of what Elop says, if WP fails, nokia will have something else, including a new CEO.

as for Ballmer, of course he wouldn;t be making comments like that to possibly scare off Nokia investors, lowering share price and making it easier for MS to buy would he?

Get with the program, develop a bit of situational awareness and most of all, stop blindly swallowing the rubbish put out by tech blogs and gadget sites that dare to pretend that their "columnists" are actually journalists.

Have a nice day:)

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You're reinforcing my points (whether you know it or not). Even if Elop wanted to introduce WP7 in the hope of appealling to the USA he shouldn't have killed Symbian and he shouldn't be undermining MeeGo.


I didn't question why these companies produced WP7 handsets, just pointed out they struggle to sell them. It's not so much a case of me opening my mind as you engaging yours.

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A Samsung partner called Samfirmware, which creates ROMs for Samsung devices, sent an interesting tweet in recent days. It said, "Samsung will support Windows phone till end 2012," and then later: "It's true about Samsung and Windows Phone. Windows Phone market is smaller than Samsung's own OS Bada."

Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/...news/231601185

Symbian is not so strong anymore in Asia anymore--especially China and India, its former strongholds:

Nokia China Dominance Under Threat as Sales Dive on Android

Chief Executive Officer Stephen Elop faces the dilemma of where to focus his resources: Nokia is racing to meet its year- end target of shipping its first phone based on Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Windows Phone software. At the same time, he needs to halt the decline in China as models based on Google Inc. (GOOG)’s Android software have fallen below 100 euros ($144) and started cutting into Nokia’s lower-end feature-phone sales, said Michael Schroeder, a Helsinki-based analyst at FIM Bank.

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...er-threat.html

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A year ago Nokia started losing market share by 5-6% (of the total) a quarter. It went down from 39% to 33% in Q3 2010, then another 5% – from 33% to 28% in Christmas quarter. In Q4 2010 Nokia managed to slow the decline a bit with a boost from from the novelty and pent-up demand for terribly delayed Symbian 3. In Q1 2011 they floated on air by stuffing Nokia distribution channels in China and Europe to the hilt. Unfortunately, distributors can take and move only so much of old crappy phones, and with nothing interesting to stimulate the demand, Nokia is now paying the price. With smartphone market growing by leaps and bounds, Nokia sold 8.5 million less then they did last quarter. Nokia sales in China dropped by 53%, in Europe by 21%

Source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/07/2...r-infographic/

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Dan, I'm not arguing on the decline, however stating that there is, as I said familiarity (through history) and lets face it, from a UI perspective, Harmattan is closer in look and feel, thanks to the similarity in icons and layout to anna/belle.

there's no doubt that Nokia is losing ground in these areas, and there's no doubt that companies like huwei are challenging their S40 market position with low cost android handsets.