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HugoSon 2010-07-23 14:56
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
...just tested - for me it seems to work. Wow - that was fast!
Thanks Titan - once more.

rofo1000 2010-07-23 14:58
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunni (Post 762294)
Well, but how to install fcam now, as it will remove titans kernel.
Yeah, I just noticed that to. Maybe contact the guys behind fcamera and tell them it's fixed and remove the conflict...

gunni 2010-07-23 15:00
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Its not fixed it is just a fast workaround till it is included in titans kernel. Think he just wants some testing, before he includes this. And that is good of course. Otherwise you will get broken camera if you dont know about this thread.

HugoSon 2010-07-23 15:05
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 762205)
What does your last statement have anything to do with Nokia? Titans' kernel is not "official" thus it's reasonable that people working at Nokia nor the researchers at Stanford University never heard of it until recently.

Remember outside of Qgil, there's nobody else from Nokia that comes here.

Edit: I might be wrong about the nobody else. But my point is that Nokia doesn't pay much attention to the maemo.org (ITT) community.
?? Maemo is all about (this) community...
"...
Maemo Development
Maemo is developed as an open collaboration between Nokia and many generous volunteer programmers, designers, and users.
..." Source:http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/maemo-software/
Nokia does pay attention to this community and even guys from Nokia use Titan's kernel; but the communication between Espoo and Palo Alto doesn't seem to be the very best.

Bratag 2010-07-23 15:54
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoSon (Post 762305)
?? Maemo is all about (this) community...
"...
Maemo Development
Maemo is developed as an open collaboration between Nokia and many generous volunteer programmers, designers, and users.
..." Source:http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/maemo-software/
Nokia does pay attention to this community and even guys from Nokia use Titan's kernel; but the communication between Espoo and Palo Alto doesn't seem to be the very best.
For fudges sake - what the hell does it matter. Titan has given us an interim solution and the devs for Fcam have said they will work on the issue.

It doesnt matter if every single person in Nokia uses Titans kernel. Officially the only kernel they have to acknowledge is the standard 1.2 one. You can ***** and moan all you like but those are the facts, and every other company on earth works the same way.

Try taking your jailbroken iphone to apple support and see what kind of answer you get there.

xuggs 2010-07-23 16:07
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Okay so can someone just confirm if I am about to do the right thing or not:

1. Install the fcam drivers from titan's post - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=25

2. Install the fcam application

3. Reboot

I am using Enhanced Linux kernel for power users aka Titans kernel 2.6.28.10

perfecto?

praveenchand 2010-07-23 16:08
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
i uninstalled blessn900 and this fcam kernel worked for me....thanks Titan...this was quick..

erniadeldesktop 2010-07-23 16:52
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xuggs (Post 762364)
Okay so can someone just confirm if I am about to do the right thing or not:

1. Install the fcam drivers from titan's post - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=25

2. Install the fcam application

3. Reboot

I am using Enhanced Linux kernel for power users aka Titans kernel 2.6.28.10

perfecto?
this way worked fine for me

sophocha 2010-07-23 17:09
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
..or use the lehto kernel.it works perfectly for me!

geneven 2010-07-23 17:13
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 762205)
What does your last statement have anything to do with Nokia? Titans' kernel is not "official" thus it's reasonable that people working at Nokia nor the researchers at Stanford University never heard of it until recently.

Remember outside of Qgil, there's nobody else from Nokia that comes here.

Edit: I might be wrong about the nobody else. But my point is that Nokia doesn't pay much attention to the maemo.org (ITT) community.
I seem to remember Nokia issuing an official statement that overclocking voids the warranty -- so they must have had SOME awareness that there was an alternate kernel. Either that, or their attention turns on and off at random.

Laughing Man 2010-07-23 17:15
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoSon (Post 762305)
?? Maemo is all about (this) community...
"...
Maemo Development
Maemo is developed as an open collaboration between Nokia and many generous volunteer programmers, designers, and users.
..." Source:http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/maemo-software/
Nokia does pay attention to this community and even guys from Nokia use Titan's kernel; but the communication between Espoo and Palo Alto doesn't seem to be the very best.
Whether the guys from Nokia use Titan's kernel doesn't matter when it comes to working on Maemo. Any of their work would normally (at least in any other developmental situation) be targeted to what would be considered a "clean" or "stock" N900 which means the default kernel. Since that's what the N900 is sold with.

xuggs 2010-07-23 17:17
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
When i install titans released fcam-drivers 1.0.5.1_armel.deb then immediately I get an update for the drivers in the app manager.. "fcam-drivers 1.0.5-2" now will this conflict if I update it or should I ignore it?

geneven 2010-07-23 17:26
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 762358)

Try taking your jailbroken iphone to apple support and see what kind of answer you get there.
Apple deserves an award -- whenever an excuse or bad example is needed -- Apple is there!

Dousan 2010-07-23 17:43
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Could somebody please upload it somewhere else, this link is not working for me for some reason... Thanks... :)
http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fca....5-1_armel.deb

Never mind, it worked today ;)

xuggs 2010-07-23 17:48
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dousan (Post 762434)
Could somebody please upload it somewhere else, this link is not working for me for some reason... Thanks... :)
http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fca....5-1_armel.deb
Works fine for me? I don't think it's broken.

gunni 2010-07-23 18:07
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Yes it works like described, and with the update notification. I think that would overwrite titans modules, so i wont update the fcam-drivers, till titan or fcam developers fixed this.

KOJAN 2010-07-23 18:17
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titan (Post 762156)
I have build a completely untested package of the fcam kernel modules for the maemo38 kernel (should be compatible with v37). please test it and report whether it works.

http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fca....5-1_armel.deb
Offtop: Where I can download maemo38 kernel?
is there?
n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/usbhost/

Bratag 2010-07-23 18:23
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KOJAN (Post 762466)
Offtop: Where I can download maemo38 kernel?
is there?
n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/usbhost/
You can't yet. Titan has said he will be releasing it this weekend. Anything you download from his site other than the stuff linked here I would say USER BEWARE!!

Bratag 2010-07-23 18:24
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xuggs (Post 762413)
When i install titans released fcam-drivers 1.0.5.1_armel.deb then immediately I get an update for the drivers in the app manager.. "fcam-drivers 1.0.5-2" now will this conflict if I update it or should I ignore it?
Ignore it for the moment. I would bet money that -2 is not built for his kernel. He is shortly to release ver 38 of the Titan kernel and has said that it will contain files that should fix the conflict with the standard fcam drivers.

xuggs 2010-07-23 18:32
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 762475)
Ignore it for the moment. I would bet money that -2 is not built for his kernel. He is shortly to release ver 38 of the Titan kernel and has said that it will contain files that should fix the conflict with the standard fcam drivers.
Yes i kinda figured that so i ignored the -2 fcam drivers. Thanks!

anim1 2010-07-23 18:49
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
wat in the world is this? i tried installing fcam and it wouldnt install because of the enhanced kernal for power users, so i tried deinstalling kernal, guess wat? my phone is stuck in reboot and will not charge or go pass the nokia screen. i know absolutely nothing about reflashin can someone please help me out. WOW!

ryanl33x1511 2010-07-23 20:41
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
where is the raw image save at ? anyone know ? couldnt find it.

abadams 2010-07-24 00:56
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanl33x1511 (Post 762593)
where is the raw image save at ? anyone know ? couldnt find it.
/home/user/MyDocs/FCamera

You can change it on the settings screen (drag the viewfinder down to get to it)

geneven 2010-07-24 01:23
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anim1 (Post 762486)
wat in the world is this? i tried installing fcam and it wouldnt install because of the enhanced kernal for power users, so i tried deinstalling kernal, guess wat? my phone is stuck in reboot and will not charge or go pass the nokia screen. i know absolutely nothing about reflashin can someone please help me out. WOW!
So what made you think you were a power user?

Power users should read the Wiki, which has instructions on how to reflash. Others could benefit from looking at the Wiki also.

must4get 2010-07-25 05:25
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
FCamera is nice, Good work guys..
Please make sure you improve it and make a real good final app.

See some samples here. http://www.nokiatimes.com/2010/07/hd...-settings.html

I noticed that every time you use the built in Camera app I had to restart the phone to use FCamera.

xabier 2010-07-25 15:10
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titan (Post 762156)
I have build a completely untested package of the fcam kernel modules for the maemo38 kernel (should be compatible with v37). please test it and report whether it works.

http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fca....5-1_armel.deb

Got them working. But i couldn't install the drivers nor the fcamera app until I uninstalled Blessn900 photo app.

ryanl33x1511 2010-07-25 16:34
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by must4get (Post 763836)
FCamera is nice, Good work guys..
Please make sure you improve it and make a real good final app.

See some samples here. http://www.nokiatimes.com/2010/07/hd...-settings.html

I noticed that every time you use the built in Camera app I had to restart the phone to use FCamera.
you could kill it. because the app still runing in background.

windows7 2010-07-25 22:57
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by anim1 (Post 762486)
wat in the world is this? i tried installing fcam and it wouldnt install because of the enhanced kernal for power users, so i tried deinstalling kernal, guess wat? my phone is stuck in reboot and will not charge or go pass the nokia screen. i know absolutely nothing about reflashin can someone please help me out. WOW!
can be a bit tricky but just follow instructions here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher


you can re-download PR 1.2 from :
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-d...-downloads.php

do you know what firmware you using?
in my example my phone original came with UK firmware, but i changed mine to the worldwide firmware version instead as its updated more often then uk, i did not find any limitations by changing this but might brake the warranty, is up to you...


how to flash?
you need the cable that allows to plug into your computer.
follow the instructions in the link above to connect the phone and then from the CMD prompt just flash it with PR 1.2
fyi, i left out the vanilla part, and just had to re-install my apps, data was still there.

phase315 2010-07-26 11:25
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Not sure if I need to uninstall the Enhanced Power Kernal to install Fcamera and fcam-drivers. Everytime i try to install either one of them, i get a conflicting package message, saying that the power kernal is the problem. what am i doing wrong?

Switch_ 2010-07-26 11:38
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Is this the Kerkel-Power available from App Manager? If so then read on;

Remove BlessN900
Close App Manager
Open Xterminal and type the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel kernel-flasher
This should return SIGTERM received and Image flashed successfully messages. If this is the case continue with
Code:
apt-get remove -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules
This reverts you back to the stock kernel.

Reboot the phone and then again open terminal. Type the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install fcamera
That will then install fCamera (funnily enough). Now you can redownload and install te Power Kernel but bear in mind that you will have to also download titans fcam drivers to your device. If you download it to MyDocs then you should run the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
cd /home/user/MyDocs
dpkg -i fcam-drivers_1.0.5-1_armel.deb
This is your kernel reverted to stock, fcam installed, power kernel re-installed and fcam drivers modified by titan also installed. Had to do myself earlier. Fun and games.

Morit 2010-07-26 14:55
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Making about the same I ended up reflashing my device.. And losing everything... (the second part was becouse of my stupidity of having backup one month old ;)

After reflashing and trying again I discovered that my phone cannot run at 850Mhz so losing my guarantee for nothing sux ;)

Bratag 2010-07-26 14:59
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morit (Post 765263)
Making about the same I ended up reflashing my device.. And losing everything... (the second part was becouse of my stupidity of having backup one month old ;)

After reflashing and trying again I discovered that my phone cannot run at 850Mhz so losing my guarantee for nothing sux ;)
Why exactly can't it run at 850? Is it unstable at that speed?

Morit 2010-07-26 15:11
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
The sounds are distorted like theres +200% volume, one third of the photos cannot be opened others are messed up with green/ blue lines, some movies cannot open, sometimes I cannot even open the player..

Didnt test much more becouse its bad enough to make it unusable and I had much more problems before reflashing device...
(desktop messed up, icons not working, problems with booting, restaring - but many of them were probably becouse of the messed up kernel due to fcam drivers and maybe something other - I had much problem with installing power kernel, and not the overclocked unstableness)

BTW. unstableness - nice word ;)

HugoSon 2010-07-26 18:34
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 762358)
...
Try taking your jailbroken iphone to apple support and see what kind of answer you get there.
Apple did always took jailbroken iPhones into their support - without making a big PR thing out of it. And - since today they are even "forced" to - have a look: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/26/...-jailbreaking/
From my point of view - the comparsion between a claimed as "closed infra and be happy" versus "we are open source" doesn't fit anyway...

geohsia 2010-07-28 01:16
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Hey guys. I'm really looking forward to this. I only shoot RAW on my regular camera so am looking forward to the flexibility of having RAW on the N900. I can't imaging going back to the stock kernel at this point so I'm going to wait until that's resolved.

So for regular and low light photos and etc there's RAW, but what about HDR? I see that it does blending in-camera. Does it spit out two or three RAW files that I can then stitch together later if I had to?

Also, since fCam is a set of drivers, does that means apps like BlessN900 would use it (assuming they want) to one day?

Laughing Man 2010-07-28 01:29
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoSon (Post 765549)
Apple did always took jailbroken iPhones into their support - without making a big PR thing out of it. And - since today they are even "forced" to - have a look: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/26/...-jailbreaking/
From my point of view - the comparsion between a claimed as "closed infra and be happy" versus "we are open source" doesn't fit anyway...
Err I don't think that ruling forces them to support it. It just blocks them from saying circumventing the iPhone by jailbreaking is not a violation of the DMCA.

In fact Apple has even indicated that they are going further against jailbroken iPhones by potentially refusing support. Now how you might ask considering any user can just reset the iPhone back to normal?

Speculation says that either there will be software residue from a jailbroken iPhone left over or the next time it's plugged into iTunes it'll call back home to Apple to check.

jakiman 2010-07-28 03:23
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 767214)
Speculation says that either there will be software residue from a jailbroken iPhone left over or the next time it's plugged into iTunes it'll call back home to Apple to check.
Someone will find a way to bypass that also. (or be implemented within the jailbreak) :p

Rob1n 2010-07-28 07:57
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 767203)
So for regular and low light photos and etc there's RAW, but what about HDR? I see that it does blending in-camera. Does it spit out two or three RAW files that I can then stitch together later if I had to?
The HDR mode in fCamera will spit out 2/3 (or more) RAW files. The separate HDR program spits out a single blended file.

Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 767203)
Also, since fCam is a set of drivers, does that means apps like BlessN900 would use it (assuming they want) to one day?
That's my understanding, yes - I've not looked at the code/API though.

fuyoh 2010-07-28 09:29
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Switch_ (Post 765088)
Is this the Kerkel-Power available from App Manager? If so then read on;

Remove BlessN900
Close App Manager
Open Xterminal and type the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel kernel-flasher
This should return SIGTERM received and Image flashed successfully messages. If this is the case continue with
Code:
apt-get remove -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules
This reverts you back to the stock kernel.

Reboot the phone and then again open terminal. Type the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
apt-get install fcamera
That will then install fCamera (funnily enough). Now you can redownload and install te Power Kernel but bear in mind that you will have to also download titans fcam drivers to your device. If you download it to MyDocs then you should run the following;
Code:
sudo gainroot
cd /home/user/MyDocs
dpkg -i fcam-drivers_1.0.5-1_armel.deb
This is your kernel reverted to stock, fcam installed, power kernel re-installed and fcam drivers modified by titan also installed. Had to do myself earlier. Fun and games.
i tried to reinstall the kernel flasher but somehow it cant and say the package cannot be downloaded..

and i'm connected to the internet

AlMehdi 2010-07-28 09:35
Re: fCamera and Titans kernel...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fuyoh (Post 767532)
i tried to reinstall the kernel flasher but somehow it cant and say the package cannot be downloaded..

and i'm connected to the internet
Shouldn't the Titans fcam-driver be installed before f-camera?


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