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PradaBrada 2010-08-02 21:30
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 773557)
Hmm.. I read "It's a phone. It's a computer." at that link. I see nothing about being a "smartphone".

This has drifted off topic. Yes, you can do whatever you want with an iPhone and Droid after you break your warranty agreement and root/jail-break it. Custom ROMs, yada, yada... On the N900, you can do it naively, without using third party software to break into or replace the OS of your device.
Nexus One/Desire does these things natively :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 773560)
Ah, I see PradaBrada is back!

If you were able to get yoursef a new toy, why don't you head off to the Google / Android forums?
I don't need support for my Desire, everything works perfectly :)
New apps are alerted to me by Engadget/Gizmodo/AllAboutPhones :D

I'm in this forum for the lulz, there is so much comedy gold :o

woody14619 2010-08-02 21:44
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PradaBrada (Post 773577)
Nexus One/Desire does these things natively :)
Really? You can log in as root on the Desire without any type of jail breaking or rooting? There's an open, manufacturer supplied package that lets you ssh or terminal into your device, as root? ADB is on by default?

Hmm... That's not what I'm seeing on the internet. There appears to be a jail break method that requires installing a modified third party ROM to get root on the Desire. But clearly you must be right, and it can be done nativity? Because why would you lie about such a thing?

Oh, right, because you're a habitual liar/whiner that's "just here for the lulz"? My bad.

danramos 2010-08-02 21:54
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 773602)
Really? You can log in as root on the Desire without any type of jail breaking or rooting? There's an open, manufacturer supplied package that lets you ssh or terminal into your device, as root? ADB is on by default?

Hmm... That's not what I'm seeing on the internet. There appears to be a jail break method that requires installing a modified third party ROM to get root on the Desire. But clearly you must be right, and it can be done nativity? Because why would you lie about such a thing?

Oh, right, because you're a habitual liar/whiner that's "just here for the lulz"? My bad.
Yeah, I feel like I might have to side with woody on this particular detail. What are you trying to say that you're able to do natively?

PradaBrada 2010-08-02 21:58
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody14619 (Post 773602)
Really? You can log in as root on the Desire without any type of jail breaking or rooting? There's an open, manufacturer supplied package that lets you ssh or terminal into your device, as root? ADB is on by default?

Hmm... That's not what I'm seeing on the internet. There appears to be a jail break method that requires installing a modified third party ROM to get root on the Desire. But clearly you must be right, and it can be done nativity? Because why would you lie about such a thing?

Oh, right, because you're a habitual liar/whiner that's "just here for the lulz"? My bad.
I was talking about tethering which Droid doesn't have officially.

ADB needs to be installed on your computer and put on, but so what?

Rooting/jailbreaking is for those who want to, but warranty gets voided, tough ****, but your own choice.

Third party ROMs are practically just beta releases of updates

PradaBrada 2010-08-02 22:12
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
SSH Client in Android Market: http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/41041

Not sure if it can SSH as root though

danramos 2010-08-02 22:25
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
You can ssh with or without root. Always been that way. It's just a client--no biggy.
You can also run an ssh daemon server with or without being rooted as well. Without rooting, though, your command line privilege is pretty limited in scope.

gerbick 2010-08-02 22:59
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Wait, wait... wait. I see a deflection or two in this thread.

Woody, you can check the availability of an iPhone app without having access to an iPhone or iPod Touch via the web. All one needs to do is hit the Apple website.

And it's not just a concept; you were quite wrong about that.

Now, Prada... you can't do those from a stock phone. I think only the old G1 developer's edition - the G1 with the odd looking graphic on the back of it - was perhaps the only one that came with root accessible from the start... and I think even then it wasn't "evident". So I might even be wrong there. But you were wrong to have said that.

And SSH != root.

Now... deflections noted... let's just say it's better to be down the middle of the road, than be on either side when it comes down to facts.

At least be honest enough to admit when you're wrong. It's not that damn hard y'all.

sjgadsby 2010-08-02 23:10
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 773508)
Or like the oft-promised Flash 10.x for N900?
In the interest of accuracy, while Flash 10.1 has been much anticipated, Nokia has not promised it even once. So, they may be faulted for not delivering that hotly desired update, but they cannot be faulted for promising it and failing to deliver.

PradaBrada 2010-08-02 23:17
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 773678)
In the interest of accuracy, while Flash 10.1 has been much anticipated, Nokia has not promised it even once. So, they may be faulted for not delivering that hotly desired update, but they cannot be faulted for promising it and failing to deliver.
Not uttering the exact words, but saying full Flash support and letting Adobe show it off for the first time ever specifically on a N900, makes them more a guilty accomplice, not an innocent bystander

H3llb0und 2010-08-02 23:18
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All I know is that right now I am very pissed off at Nokia.

Nokia better wake up before I decide to go Android, and after playing around with a friend's Galaxy S that time is not that far.
Maybe not the Galaxy S, but something with Android 3.0

imperiallight 2010-08-02 23:23
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
In the interest of accuracy, while Flash 10.1 has been much anticipated, Nokia has not promised it even once. So, they may be faulted for not delivering that hotly desired update, but they cannot be faulted for promising it and failing to deliver.
It shouldn't be a 600 euro device or indeed an internet tablet if it can't cope up with core updates in its first year of release. It is almost implied and expected from a multibillion pound corporation sponsoring it. Milestone supports 10.1 on the same architecture.

It should probably be called "device that does various curious things see maemo.org for details"...

H3llb0und 2010-08-02 23:25
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Unlike iSheeps and what people at Nokia seems to think, I am not faithful to a brand.

I buy whatever is best for me at the time AND gives me some kind of security in terms of support.

I LOVE my N900 but everyday I lean more and more towards Android, and Nokia seems to be pushing my decision instead of trying to pulling me back.

gerbick 2010-08-02 23:32
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 773696)
It shouldn't be a 600 euro device or indeed an internet tablet if it can't cope up with core updates in its first year of release. It is almost implied and expected from a multibillion pound corporation sponsoring it. Milestone supports 10.1 on the same architecture.

It should probably be called "device that does various curious things see maemo.org for details"...
Nokia never promised that you'd ever get any updates on your "computer in your pocket". All above that has been speculation.

Which... I have to state personally I find very odd. I tend to be able to update my computers.

imperiallight 2010-08-02 23:38
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Nokia never promised that you'd ever get any updates on your "computer in your pocket". All above that has been speculation.

Which... I have to state personally I find very odd. I tend to be able to update my computers.
At this point we are grateful for anything they do, which doesn't seem to be very much. I guess old habits die hard or start as you mean to go on come to mind.

devu 2010-08-02 23:48
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 773706)
Nokia never promised that you'd ever get any updates on your "computer in your pocket". All above that has been speculation.

Which... I have to state personally I find very odd. I tend to be able to update my computers.
So.. because of this oddness N900 doesn't match to computer definition really.

datjomp 2010-08-02 23:50
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Today I just felt like get me an iPhone. A fellow musician has one and he bought the iRig for it. He drooled over it and riffed away while I...well, was on tmo. And the allstring tunerapp from tc electronics seemed really nice aswell.
Man I wish that stuff was availaible for the N900.
My main issue to not buy the iPhone was that I had to use iTunes.
Don't want to sync all the time. Just drag and drop,is what I like.

I love my little precious, it opened up my eyes to the future in mobile technology. I'll probably use it 'til it dies. But I'm thinking of getting me an extra gadget on the side as a little playmate:)

I hope the Qt thingy can bring us some nice stuff to the N900.
Hopefully soon..
But, I still love it and play with it all the time

Joråsåatt

imperiallight 2010-08-02 23:56
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
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My main issue to not buy the iPhone was that I had to use iTunes.
Don't want to sync all the time. Just drag and drop,is what I like.
When you get time look at sharepod to delete/add music or videos.
Look at iphone explorer to drag and drop other files.
This is of course for non JB phones. It is much easier with JB.

I only use itunes to activate and restore (i.e never).

bsving 2010-08-03 08:14
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 773481)
Huh ? What ? MeeGo has an upstream-first policy, implying that it does not want to maintain versions of it's own - it wants to contribute everything to the source projects - you just can't get more beneficial to the community (naturally, with the presumption that upstream-first is not just lip-service).



Sorry, but this is just rubbish. It is not OEM in the sense that the Intel drivers ARE there. If Nokia or anybody else decided to make an Intel based platform, there would be no evil blobs to be included, that would be your base. And as for nazis... let me put on the danramos hat - after the 770, N800 and N810 (and N900), there is just no way you can say binary blob drivers are okay. No. Sorry. You just can't. If someone gets to be called a nazi because he doesn't want to get stuck with one OS version because of the kernel and driver version/config, something is very, very wrong.
As long as everyone stick to Intel HW and want to install the "default" MeeGo, no problem. If Intel manages to force others to open their source, this is very good, but I'm not convinced that this would be the result, it can go either way. Lets say ASUS, HP, Acer, MSI, Dell, Samsung and all the large ones decide to deliver netbooks with MeeGo preinstalled. Then the "openness" of any of the drivers is a no.issue. Surely an all Intel config will work as is, but other configs may be cheaper (and better).

vins 2010-08-03 10:57
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
just wait and see... with the current condition, nokia has no edge, at least in my perception. if the next device really delivers, and it has something i'd die for, then definitely i'm sold. i own n900 and happy with it. it still delivers what i need, however the guy 'next door' like the iphone or android seems to do just the same or even better (to me).

Father 2010-08-03 11:49
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
I have always found Nokia to be way more reliable than most phones, esepcially the old ones...those things were bricks! You could smash them up, drop them in water and put them back together and they´d stil work. These days its obvious the quality is going down...especially considering the technology which is available with iphones, but they´re hanging in there with blackberrys arent they?

niqbal 2010-08-03 12:05
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since a video of nokia meego UI came out yesterday. definitely a nokia meego phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDp1MGlfGQ8

johnel 2010-08-03 12:15
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by niqbal (Post 774199)
since a video of nokia meego UI came out yesterday. definitely a nokia meego phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDp1MGlfGQ8
That's fine if you like shiny stuff.

However, I want to know:

1) Will Meego for the n900 run existing maemo software (there are rumours of a compatibility layer)?
2) Will the n900 be powerful enough to run the meego ui properly?
3) In practice is the UI an efficient design (e.g. does it scale to n900 physical screen size) because maemo's UI is pretty minimal (a "good thing")?

But yes it does look quite nice.

attila77 2010-08-03 12:18
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsving (Post 773992)
As long as everyone stick to Intel HW and want to install the "default" MeeGo, no problem. If Intel manages to force others to open their source, this is very good, but I'm not convinced that this would be the result, it can go either way. Lets say ASUS, HP, Acer, MSI, Dell, Samsung and all the large ones decide to deliver netbooks with MeeGo preinstalled. Then the "openness" of any of the drivers is a no.issue. Surely an all Intel config will work as is, but other configs may be cheaper (and better).
I don't see the problem, it's not like they don't have a choice - open up, and have full support on a distro level just like Intel does, or go blob/OEM, when they have to do their own support (and be ranted/cursed to hell when lack of open/well maintained drivers cuts off your users from upgrades). I mean, the way you put it, it turns out Debian is not a distro but an OEM OS...

imperiallight 2010-08-03 12:32
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Quote:
since a video of nokia meego UI came out yesterday. definitely a nokia meego phone.
Gravity and Adobe LE for $10.45 each??

optimistprime 2010-08-03 12:40
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
I think the Nokia Meego phone looks good. I dont think I will wait past November for it though. I already went through both the N97 and N900 preorder/release date fiascos, and I plan to have the end 2010 be less stressful.( by that I mean not spending countless hours on the phone with customer service reps ordering, cancelling, ordering again, and then ultimately just buying in in store sooner than a preorder gets out).

imperiallight 2010-08-03 12:43
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
The Meego UI for mobiles looks OK, its rather plain as its presented in the video (not necessarily a bad thing). What is striking people about it?

The Meego UI for tablets was much better. Indeed even for Maemo 5 itself at the time.

naabi 2010-08-03 12:47
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 774221)
Gravity and Adobe LE for $10.45 each??
Yes, they're naturally already available for Meego from Ovi Store.

bsving 2010-08-04 09:17
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 774212)
I don't see the problem, it's not like they don't have a choice - open up, and have full support on a distro level just like Intel does, or go blob/OEM, when they have to do their own support (and be ranted/cursed to hell when lack of open/well maintained drivers cuts off your users from upgrades). I mean, the way you put it, it turns out Debian is not a distro but an OEM OS...
Time will tell. MeeGo has to be distributed and catch on first, and compete with Microsoft and Chrome OS. I'm not sure how Chromium OS is/will be regarding drivers, but if that OS works out of the box for 90% of the netbooks (compared with 20-30% for MeeGo), the time for Meego on Netbooks surely will be short.

ndi 2010-08-04 10:50
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Nokia pulled the video? What was in there?

danramos 2010-08-04 17:39
Re: Would You Buy Nokia Phone as Your Next Mobile ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 775281)
Nokia pulled the video? What was in there?
LIES! ALL LIES!



Kidding. :)

salah99 2010-08-05 00:40
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big NO............


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