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I've installed Slackware before so by virtue of changing a few 1's to 0's in text files I'm a level 20 hacker. Yes yes I know, your mission critical mp3 server has 1 gajillion days of uptime and never crashes. Thanks.

If the N900 were truly open, I would be running Lenny in command line and wouldn't give a damn about Maemo, Meego, Moblin, or any other Linux flavor du jour.

But then again, Ovi would have 100,000 apps, N900 would be going up in price due to shortages, and some idiot in Cuppertino with a black mock neck long sleeve shirt would be needing a few other organ transplants by now. Thank God Nokia managed to avoid all that mess.

The OP ought to at least come back and tell us what new phone he got, if nothing else, to rub flash 10.1 in our noses.

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Actually you don't get it, I was being a bit blunt, you just have to define which 'time' you are talking about

Gravity is the bending of spacetime, space exits of the 3 spacial dimensions length, width and depth and time is the rate of expansion at which space itself is moving apart from itself in a certain direction at a certain velocity, which is accelerating btw, and therefore a form of a spacial or higher spacial dimension.

Lightyear = lightspeed * year
In formula: v = c = lightspeed = 3*10^8 m/s
t = year = 31536000 s
lightyear s = 9.4608 * 10^15 m

but anyway, later man, come back for the Ovi Angry Man thing!

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Sorry mate

nice, but its 7 months too late for me .............................

you *really* make this *basic* functionality sound as if it is some groundbreaking achievement....................

Im just waiting for flanders to ban me for 89 years........i just hope i outlive the c**t.

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I have used (battled with/against) MeeGo on my netbook for some months now, and I'm not sure I agree to 1. The MeeGo netbook side of the force is truly open source, to the point of fanatical. This means that no, and I mean not a single byte, can be non-open source, and this is badly hurting the usefulness of the OS since lots of drivers are closed, typically wifi drivers. When the wifi is not working on a netbook, it kind of spoils the whole thing. Closed drivers are made available by the vendors to be distributed along with any Linux distro, but the MeeGo team refuses to include them. After some head scratching, googling and compiling drivers, everything eventually work, but this amount of fiddling is way beyond what the average netbook user will ever do. All in all, this fanatical openness effectively restrict MeeGo to be used exclusively by OEM except from some models by some vendors that has the "correct" combination of hardware with open source drivers available. I therefore believe that "truly open source" is meaningless unless you happen to manufacture all the relevant chips yourself as Intel do.

Adopt Android: I am starting to believe that as well. I don't think Nokia is incapable of making an equally great OS, but so far they have shown utter incompetence in dealing with the customers while developing it. When the OS eventually is finished (after God knows how many "steps" and 90 degree turns), there will be no one left to use it.

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I'm sure if you were somewhat more tactful with your thread titles and attitude towards others you wouldn't have been banned.

And I sincerely hope many of the more... destructive and rude posters follow you out the door.

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As gadgets go, I'm a rather pragmatic person. I try to find and buy products that best suit the needs I have - devices that do what *I* need them to do, in a way *I* want them to do it. That's all that matters to me.

Yes, it's easy to list things that are better handled on this or that device, and you can have it, but what is it to me? Does it make N900 worse for me? No. Right now N900 is the best device for me, and everything else is second best (at most).

People burst here insisting that everyone liking N900 is a fanboy in denial? Though I find that insulting, I must say I'm rather envious to these people - in their impeccable ability to objectively evaluate the needs of people they have never met and know nothing about.

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"Still didn't answer the question, what did YOU buy the N900 for?"

Simple

A Linux Desktop in my pocket...............

Or did I miss something ?????

BTW U may criticize the n900 but hey guys criticism can be a bloody good thing, on this forum if you criticize the n900 your either a NOOB, you bought the wrong device. your a windoze fanboi , your reatrded, etc etc

Itls like Nokia told me I could sync my n900 with exchange server................................this is STILL not fixed.......dicks I say.

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I don't know what services. I could look it up but I don't care. There are no problems on my system.
tar and rsync suppose to impress me !? what are you 12 ?

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Don't worry, I've already upgraded to a Desire, but I'm still gonna be here to keep you company :)

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hahhahahah

OK I put my hands up !!!!!

Danramos

I have to say I did actually take ALOT of time to read MOST of your posts

And ALL i can say is you are one of the most intelligent posters on here

not ONLY are you very technically minded but you have the rare ability to also see the bigger picture as well......(ie the business/ecosystem/developer)

so Im not going to argue with you are you ACTUALLY DO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

So good luck my friend and I look forward to seeing you on an android forum soon :D

But my dread still remains a dream.....a TRUE linux platform...........................then we can all really HACK !!!!!!!

Good luck my friend danramos !!!!!!

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Before I am branded a fanboy I must point out this. I am not Nokia's fanboy. I have absolutely lost all my confidence in the company (although it can very easily regain it if it starts acting well). I am an N900's fanboy though. What can I say..I fell in love with it.

If you look at the potential I pointed out, none of it has to do with Nokia. I don't have faith in them anymore. I do however have great faith with the developers and members of this community. It is sad how many non-maemo owners stick around just to flame though.

I love Maemo. If a future device (Symbian, Android, Meego, iOS) with a great hardware keyboard (required) and hopefully resistive touchscreen comes out I would be tempted to make a switch. Not because I think the N900 is bad, but future devices will have better hardware. I don't really care about thickness. The N900 ia very comfortable. If I cared about thickness I would ditch my wallet and carry spare notes...

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I see. And boy did you get f**ked with a dry penetration then :).

Ditto on the fanboism though.

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I posted this

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58582

"'m sure if you were somewhat more tactful with your thread titles and attitude towards others you wouldn't have been banned."

Hmmm can you please tell me what was wrong with my post ???

was it

destructive ???
rude ??
NOT tactful
There was NO attitude to others ????

PS how do you tactfully say an OS is **** ???

after all you "are sure" ???

His reaction is symptomatic of all that is dysfunctional with maemo

Sorry I just read your profile, I understand.

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Because your thread was entitled "The Beginning of the end" which, quite frankly, comes across as both trolling and FUD.

I suppose, however, that such a title isn't sufficient. I suspect it might have to do with your posting history which shows you as extremely rude and vulgar, showing a persistent thread of being unhelpful and antagonistic.

You've been bashing the N900 and trolling these forums since February. I'm shocked it took you -this- long to leave.

And no, he's interested in keeping these forums useful for people who would rather -use- their device than bash it and the people who own it.

What about my profile?

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"And boy did you get f**ked with a dry penetration then :). "


Hahahhahahah

"And boy did you get f**ked with a dry penetration then :). "

You sound like a Nokia Official Spokesman !!!!!!!!!!!

Whats the Chance flanders will an him for this ????

but he banned me for this post ???

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58582

and WHILE i was banned (It was 30 points and a week before I could Post) he gave me another 10 point ban (even though I couldnt post !!!!)...

thats what i CALL RAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say to flanders is

1) Thats the way I roll
2) 30 Points seems a bit ****...are you a a ***** ?
3) can I have a 32434,345345,345345,45,4353.00 ban please ?

Gary

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Gary, I don't believe you got banned for a week because of that post.

I'm staying here with the other fanboys. This has been a really boring thread.

Bye.

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I apologize for my bad choice of words. Let's make it "forked" shall we?

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sorry 5 minutes ago you were a linux hacker........................................

and you don't know what tar and rsycnc are (two of the most basic linux commands.........................)

just STOP slagging others if you dont know what you are acttually talking about.........................................

PS im glad there are no problems on your system, as I would doubt you would have a clue how to diagnose and fix any problems you did have

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"I don't know what services. I could look it up but I don't care"

Damn youre the noob with a rootkit slowing down my network............................

well you did admit you DONT know what daemons/services are running on your linux box...................

You sir are the DANGEROUS "linux expert"

to say " I could look it up but I don't care"............DONT EVER TAKE UP LINUX ADMIN ..........................................

are you 12 ?????

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Well good luck to you, and if you don't get banned, you know at least the mods will label your thread with relevant tags like "whiners", "nut jobs", or "judaisim" at the bottom.

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Dude. Settle. The venom is completely unnecessary and works against any points you're trying to make. Even if I agree with you, I can't thank you, quote you or even say anything nice when you're seething.

I'm not sure I trust the pragmatism of a person who has to announce that he's pragmatic. As gadgets go, I'm even more pragmatic than thou. ;)

In honesty, though, you're right--if it suits YOU, it's nobody else's place to tell you that the other thing is better for YOU. That said, though, it's also stands to reason that you can't criticize someone else's opinion if that device doesn't suit THEM. I think a LOT of the angst is because the N900 had the potential to hit the mark for so many of the people that were dragged in by the "open source" and "Linux" marketing for these Maemo devices from Nokia but failed to see the same kind of transparency and comfort we're used to seeing from desktop distributions that are far more open-source and Linux based. In the end, what Nokia delivered was actually no better than their competition and that has much of the community that, up until the N900, had been optimistic about that openness. Ultimately, the offering continues to be a dangling carrot that keeps moving farther away instead of moving closer.

I'm also not sure why you think that the grumblers, like myself, don't own a Maemo device. Some of us have been here for years and complain BECAUSE we've had the experience of sticking with Maemo for so long.

If it suits you, that's fine. But a lot of the grumbling, I feel, seems to be infighting between the optimists and the disappointed. In the end, I think we all want the same things, though. Throwing around labels (like "fanboys") isn't going to help either way. Let the discussions happen either way. I want to hear from the guys that are happy with the stuff as much as I want to hear from the disgruntled. They're a barometer either way and sometimes I learn something new.

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Calm the fsck down. :)

What about "apologizers", "closed-source" and, to make it sounds slightly more manga hentai, "Nokia otaku"?

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I think you may have misunderstood the GPS satellite system. The reason the USAF have to reset the GPS clock every day is because they are slightly further away from the gravity-well that is the earth so are fractionally less affected than we are.

As they are in a geostationary orbit they would be travelling through space at the same speed as ourselves so I don't see their relative speed as a factor here.

At least that's what Brian Cox said on the BBC recently and he's a nuclear physics professor at CERN so I'm going with him:)

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The problem with this forum is the alarming number of people who cant or won't call a spade a spade.

The amount of lame excuses I have heard could spawn its own thread:
No portrait mode - would you hold your laptop vertically
Fat dimensions of the device - I only carry devices I can feel in my pocket
It is not a mobile phone - even though it says it is on the website
And yes they often end up contradicting themselves.

If something is lame call it lame. And vice versa.

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Pfft. I'm going on my 3rd year of trolling these forums.

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What are the chances of Blizzard doing World of Warcraft or Starcraft 2 for the XBox 360 or PS3 ? Does that mean the Xbox and Playstation are minor devices in the entertainment biz and suck at games ? Sometimes (=always) there are more to these big-corp production platform choices than meets the eye.

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Who said I was referring to you ;). There are quite a number of non-maemo owners who jump at the opportunity to flame. These might be considered opinions..but saying N900 sucks in a Maemo forum well..it is kinda flaming, What do you expect? I do not go to an iPhone forum and say the iPhone sucks, even if I think so.

Your arguments are usually well reasoned and polite. Besides you seem to dislike Nokia not Maemo. I share to an extent your feelings.

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I never said I'm a hacker but I do know tar and rsync, that is why I'm not impressed with you. Strange choice, trying to impress with those. If I had a problem that I couldn't fix after searching then I would post a question on this forum. What did the master foo did when his thingy did not communicate with iDrive ? the linux thing to do is to try solve the problem by yourself and contribute to the community, not cry about it.

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I had heard it differently from Discovery Channel. There is some effect of signals moving slower through atmosphere, actually. It has less to do with Earth being a gravity well, however. But anyway, you're only partially right.

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Got to aplogize to OP for saying in my earlier post that he was overhyping his controversiality. It's just pure trolling and he's right about getting banned. Good riddance.

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Would it impress you if I told you to go to terminal and type:
apt-get moo

?

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I’m no nuclear physics professor, but I guarantee that GPS satellites are NOT in geostationary orbits, they need to be lower and have a serious inclination (55 degrees IIRC) in order to provide global coverage without cumbersome antennas.

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geosynchronous is the term

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Hey mate, its not my opinion. It's the nuclear physicist at CERN you are saying is only partially right.

In my case I know nothing about the subject or any of the blather about who's the uber Linux coder in this thread. Hell I bought this phone because I saw a video of somebody playing Super Mario on it.

Sweeeet :D

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first post sucks, guy who wrote it sucks big time

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mmmmmm. tough one. *raises eyebrow*
As root or as user boy ?

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So is this what it is like when nerds attack? Semantics, fanboyism, terminology arguments... hell. This thread has it all...

Even a light year argument. I was sorta waiting on the Star Wars "parsec" comment to come out. It could still happen!

http://gerbick.com/images/popcorn.gif

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I'm going to have to quote you next time you criticize me back sometime. ;)

On the one hand, I don't own an N900 and I feel like I can criticize it. On the other hand, I can agree that simply saying "it sucks!" with nothing to elaborate on the subject is simply lame and speaks to a certain lack of intelligence and tact--it might even be the symptom of a psychological crisis, or simply boredom.