Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

are you a developer yourself? how do you know they leave? What do you base it on?

* lack of flash support? I dont think soo the OSS community prefers open development platfron.

* lack of OviMaps they could care less.

* lack of android SDK? hahaha I really dont think so.

* lack of QT? no

One reason could be is cause they dont like QT and prefer GTK+ SDK that is for sure a deadend for nokia going that direction. 5hats one reason Maemo5 is dropped.

but some of developer will change decision and start devvelop in QT its far beetter than android sdk already and it will be better and supporter by the community.

problem is not always Nokia problem is also to mush whining that make the OSS community in bad mood :(

looks like flash and similar crap is more important than open platform :(

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Commercial support? As in you can call Nokia about a Meego problem on the N900? No.

Ovi support? Probably no. I think the best answer we've heard so far is that Nokia will not actively support Ovi in Meego on N900. Whether they will intefere with the community in providing it. I don't know. I hope not.

Flash 10.1? Depends on if it's included vanilla Meego or Nokia Meego. If it's Nokia Meego see Ovi Support and hope they won't intefere as the community tries to reverse engineer it. If it's vanilla Meego then yes.

Basically treat Meego on the N900 as an unofficial release. Nokia is only providing a vanilla Meego OS and basic hardware fuctionality (video drivers, battery management, etc. through closed source blobs that you get when entering your IMEI number when downloading images ) Anything higher then that (customer support, tech support, Ovi, proprietery junk) Nokia is not likely to officially provide. I would take their silence as a no. Nokia will not provide it.

So what does this mean? I personally think there will be a basic Meego OS that can make calls and support BME (battery management) with QT compatibility. Anything other then that is unknown and dependent on the community to figure it out. Hopefully Nokia won't send cease and desist letters if the community tries to get ovi support and flash (if it's part of Nokia Meego) working.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

What happens when that paid team is no longer paid? Will the drivers be opened up so that the community can fix bugs and features that remain on a WONTFIX status the way history has shown in the 770/N800/N810/N810WE days of Maemo?

Let's hope they don't pull an N8x0 style community-supported Fremantle/Mer on the N900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

We can only hope so. It might just be blind optimism but I really think Meego/Harmattan on the n900 will end up being quite functional. :)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Personally, I think we'll have a fairly long run. At some point things get feature complete and hardware adaptation stays maintained with all the fun happening in Core+Handset UX.

Risk evaluation is based on how many blobs exist:

Wifi, BT firmware - not going to break with newer kernels
BME - might break with newer kernels, should be maintained.
SGX - implements same interface nevertheless (GLESv2/EGL), kernel part is open source.
fbdev-sgx Xorg driver - must be recompiled against latest Xorg. Code is open source, but due to technical issues we compile it internally against daily/weekly MeeGo as method described in any earlier post.

.. and that's it. That's risk that's manageable, I'd say.

From open source point of view, we try to upstream all our kernel changes, making it possible to maintain.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If that is the case then there is no point of upgrading N900 to MeeGo and I don't know for how long will Maemo will stay alive. MeeGo has a good future but if Nokia does'nt provide support for N900 then the future looks dark for such an awesome device

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think we need to see the Meego os in action before we install it onto the N900 but if past history is anything to go by then it will be as snaggy as Maemo for god knows how long, mind you having said that Meego does appear to be the new OS standard Nokia are going all out to make a decent standard of workability on its future handsets... WE HOPE !!! ... but we just have to wait and see.

Obviously Stskeeps keeps jumping in here with valuable snippets and i very hope he keeps on doing so... at last some responce from Nokia !!!!.... but lol dont hold your breath, wait and see if Nokia will redeem itself !.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Not a Nokian. Am part of MeeGo N900 hardware adaptation team so I know what I'm talking about though :P

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I dont care your not a Nokian because you are probably one of the few high hopes we got !!! PLEASE keep up the good work and when the N900 get's past it's 1yr warranty period for most people i will let loose the hardware links needed to make otg work BUT .... ha ha YOU will have to give us the software to make it complete :p.

Keep up the great enthusiasm and your work is always always much appreciated on this forum for sure sure.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I do like the tags. Same people writing the same thing because people slag off the holygrail of soon to be house bricks.

N900 is already dead as far as Nokia is concerned as no matter what you as a community do, nothing will improve ovi maps, ovi suite and ovi store and they are the Nokia level of support. They are the things you measure Nokia's support by. The report on the register.co.uk this morning from a rather influential analyst suggest that Nokia's recent conference was smelling of desperation. Another report a few weeks back was another cleve bloke showing the failings in the organisational and leadership of Nokia, from a very indepth view. So I think as a company they have lost the plot. Never mind just the N900.

Community support is one thing, but it is six months on, I still can't get MMS despite fMMS, I still can't get custom ring tones because it takes 25 seconds to ring, my phone still can't really multitask despite what you all claim. If I load media player is stutters because the CPU can't hack it, open explorer then load media player and it is worse. While watching a film it takes five presses to get it to register you want to press the screen to do something else. (then crashes) The battery is rubbish, I have to run an optimisation script daily to avoid a reboot, it takes me 2 file explorers to copy and paste between directories. Because one can copy but can't create folders, the other can't copy but can create directories. There is still no realistic working word app package, abiword just corrupts all my files with meta tags in pink and freeoffice crashes after loading. Most games work but few are worth it, those few that are, that really use the N900, like wargus I can't get to work at all. I need apps from the community to tell me I got an SMS or missed call, contacts management is appalling and the phone app is frustrating because it rotates with the accelerometer. Making answering it impossible. And everynow and then mid film it decides that the AVI is now not supported, requiring a reboot anyway.

What it came with doesn't work as needed, what is created from the community is still in beta.

So yes the community will produce something, but will it be polished and work, or will it be six months of trial and error before it is worth using?

Nokia did this as a test bed, then changed their minds. It is a dead platform and Nokia have moved on. It has no future beyond community support and that support will slowly move into Meego or more likely, jump to android.

I am not a developer, don't begin to understand complexity you lot go through, and thanks for keeping the N900 from being thrown out the window long ago. Just think your talents should really be put to other companies, ones that actually value the customers.