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Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

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Originally Posted by chemist (Post 777676)

That does not have to be a Nokian it was one of the Meego guys so it might be one of Intel or some other who is working close to core. Not everything needs to be spread through 20k channels before it becomes true, the right channel to listen to is just enough! Anything in the news is not granted as long as you don't have the official channel as reference.

Actually, what is the official channel?

Are we talking about official announcements from Nokia about maemo & meego?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

N900 feature is still in our hands.
Nokia did what they need to do to save there company.

Following are some ideas through which we can do lot more with our devices.
We can ask nokia to opensource all maemo components except Ovi Stuff and build community firmware.

We can fix bugs, improve feature of all the available opensource code and keep proprietary as it is and build community firmware.

We can revers engineer proprietary components and use already opensource code and build community firmware.

You have 2 choices
1. Keep Blaming Nokia
2. Start Working and contributing you part to keep our self happy

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 777678)

Is that a hint of sarcasm there?
If MeeGo turns out to be a lifesaver! :)

For me, then n900 is one of the most flexible "smartphones" out there - you can install pretty much anything you want and is fully programmable.

The technical team have done a terrific job of producing the n900 but unfortunately Nokia "management" have obviously mis-managed it.

All we can do is wait and see when the next update to MeeGo performs like. I think it's due in October at some point.

Incidentally according to the open-source Harmattan project the project has been absorbed into MeeGo.

I imagine for a 1.1 release we should expect something quite stable. As regards to any Nokia-specific software I have no idea if the n900 version of MeeGo will get anything - hopefully Nokia will do something.

Who knows if Flash 10 is to be included in MeeGo at some point (it would need to be for the next MeeGo device) then maybe the n900 may actually get a Flash backport.

We can speculate all we like all we can do is wait until October and see what develops.

I agree with what your saying and my feelings are Nokia need to take a step back and concentrate on the fundamentals of customer satisfaction and support as opposed to being a ruthless money making machine that it has slowly turned out to be.

If we all be very good and treat the developers with respect :D and urge them on in the way we want them to go , we will get good results but my fear is the money side of it as everyone gets greedier as time goes by it seems.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

Hello, maybe this is a stupid questions but exist any way that we can ask or request to nokia the open source code or the drivers of maemo, becuase if they won't contine supporting maemo 5 ok give to use the drivers and we will make it works. then how we can do that request via the maemo council or how. I think so that's then only way that we can make it a real nice maemo for our beloved N900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

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Some are getting confused as to what some are complaining:

1. Most are upset at Nokia in relation to the N900. Not at N900 directly.
2. Nokia said "they" will not provide/support "their" MeeGo on N900.
3. Not enough communication from Nokia about the N900 and its future support that general consumers are interested in such as full OVI maps. (Most don't know or care if N900 will get Qt4.x blah blah) (Also, in some countries, it was only released about a month ago so it's not an old device by any means)
4. Where is the damn Rollercoaster game we've been teased with 5 months ago? (lol, I just added this in for kicks)

Please don't get this confused with:

1. We will probably get fully working non-official/community build Harmattan/MeeGo. Without Nokia's offical support.
2. We will probabaly get fully working Android (Nitdroid) someday. IMO, this is more important than MeeGo as it makes the N900 far more versatile. Obviously not getting Nokia's support for this one.
3. N900 is an awesome device with a huge amount of untapped potential still. Thanks to all the super devs/hackers in making N900 the best device for many so far.

Pretty spot on. Also that history is repeating itself almost word for word. Alot of these guys prefer the emu approach to life though.

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Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 777682)

slender if everything was positive in this world it would be a heck of a boring place to be !.

"I like feedback with sources and some explanations when you are trying generalize something or saying something that you think is fact."

If you know anything about a successful business then you will know that negative feedback is the best thing any company can get IF it knows how to deal with it and put wrongs right !.

He gave positive negatives and explained exactly what the problems are he has and THAT is just the kind of neagivity a comany needs to make good if it is run properly of course.

hmmm. He quite certainly said:
"N900 is already dead as far as Nokia is concerned as no matter what you as a community do..."

Which is pure fear, uncertainty and doubt.

I also know that if i want to give feedback to company then i first check that I´m using correct platform/media. I would not go to local car kit accessory shop to tell people why Toyota is miserable failure and that they do not care about customers. If i went then I most certainly hope that i would get kicked out of that place by it´s employees.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

I actually agree with that statement.

Does that make me a troll now?

Nokia gives next to no information regarding the device, the twitter hoopla they put together ignores the platform and questions altogether, and the theoretical "ARM development" platform for MeeGo was far behind the curve at MeeGo release than it's Intel counterpart. It actually for the most part still seems to be.

I know the N900 team is working hard on that (Stskeeps included), but you have to realize that with no official support on a MeeGo adaptation to the N900 we are not going to get a perfect OS. Also, Stskeeps is the first to tell you he isn't a "Nokian". I do believe they cut him a check, but I don't think he's actually "in" Nokia. So, they (Nokia) are going to get it (MeeGo) to a "good enough" level and let it slide by, because honestly, why continue developing on something they won't make any more money off of? Now, hopefully the community will be able to go from "Good enough" to end-user reliable but that's still speculation if that will happen.

The N900 and Maemo 5 are about as high on Nokia's radar as the Palm Pre is in the smartphone arena. Or at least, that is the by and large impression they are leaving.

Now, that's not saying there isn't a future to the N900 in MeeGo, like I said that's speculation at this point, however with no official support and with MeeGo's own UI frameworks talking about using things such as multi-touch being an integral part of the OS - the N900 is certainly not the target for MeeGo.

I love my N900.. there is no other phone in the Market right now that even comes close to be a better fit for me than the N900. I'm not spreading FUD.. I'm simply speaking bluntly on exactly the way appearances are right now. And these appearances are by and large Nokia's fault.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 777857)

I actually agree with that statement.

Does that make me a troll now?

If you plainly just say that N900 is completely dead to Nokia then i would say that you are probably just trolling :|

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Nokia gives next to no information regarding the device, the twitter hoopla they put together ignores the platform and questions altogether, and the theoretical "ARM development" platform for MeeGo was far behind the curve at MeeGo release than it's Intel counterpart. It actually for the most part still seems to be.

I know the N900 team is working hard on that (Stskeeps included), but you have to realize that with no official support on a MeeGo adaptation to the N900 we are not going to get a perfect OS. Also, Stskeeps is the first to tell you he isn't a "Nokian". I do believe they cut him a check, but I don't think he's actually "in" Nokia. So, they (Nokia) are going to get it (MeeGo) to a "good enough" level and let it slide by, because honestly, why continue developing on something they won't make any more money off of? Now, hopefully the community will be able to go from "Good enough" to end-user reliable but that's still speculation if that will happen.

What do you mean by theoretical?
Looks like in that team it´s Nokia employees working with other people: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
It´s put up by Nokia.

Yes it´s not going to be official release from Nokia and not supported as officially like meego, but then again if you are saying it´s dead on behalf of Nokia you are just lying and spreading FUD.

It´s fck vicious way of communication from Nokia to just tell little information and not really promising anything completely.

On the other hand you can speculate speculate and speculate and only thing you can say that on Nokias behalf n900 could be already dead or maybe not. It seems that it´s not dead as they are using it as reference for meego but on the other hand....etc.

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The N900 and Maemo 5 are about as high on Nokia's radar as the Palm Pre is in the smartphone arena. Or at least, that is the by and large impression they are leaving.

Now, that's not saying there isn't a future to the N900 in MeeGo, like I said that's speculation at this point, however with no official support and with MeeGo's own UI frameworks talking about using things such as multi-touch being an integral part of the OS - the N900 is certainly not the target for MeeGo.

I love my N900.. there is no other phone in the Market right now that even comes close to be a better fit for me than the N900. I'm not spreading FUD.. I'm simply speaking bluntly on exactly the way appearances are right now. And these appearances are by and large Nokia's fault.

When someone says that N900 is dead to Nokia then he is saying that there is no future for it in eyes of Nokia. What else does it mean? Still facts show quite contrarty that there is something happening.

IMO Nokia has made many missteps which include advertising N900 and giving mixed and quite confusing statements about future of maemo & meego.

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On the other hand you can speculate speculate and speculate

This is firmly Nokia's fault and why there is so much debate and opinions.

Nokia's inability to communicate with their customers makes "Rain Man" look like a psychotic extrovert.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?

Nokia's been pretty clear of the status of Meego on the N900. They are going get it to the point where the hardware fully works for developers and use the N900 as a development platform (I guess they gotta do something with the remaining N900s). So the N900 isn't dead. It's just dead to consumers (as in no official future support).

What Nokia has been mum about is their support of anything beyond that (Flash, Ovi Maps and all, consumer/tech support). Which I assume (based on their silence) that the answer is a no.

Though I personally think that they should put a QT version of Ovi Maps in vanilla Meego. Considering their biggest competitor is Android and nearly every Android device comes with Google Maps. If Nokia wants to combat Android they need other manufacturers to produce Meego devices. By providing Ovi Maps with vanilla Meego any manufacturer could then take that and sell their smartphone with GPS included. Especially if they want to get into the services and advertisement business like Google does and what Apple is getting more into.