Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

btw.

I´m not sure if you are talking about this bug:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613
Looks like someone has made fixed hildon-desktop deb file. Dunno if it really works. Also i would recommend to set phone app to always in landscape so that there is no delay from rotation.

And to duplicate contacts problem i have used this:
http://maemo.org/packages/view/contacts-merger/

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I haven't noticed such behaviour. I am not denying it but not everyone has every bug you know... I had random reboots while majority had nothing etc....

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@slender thx for the answer after i saw the youtube video about this bug i can tell you that this isnt the Problem i have. The screen "glitch" i dont noticed. The Problem is only when my N900 is locked by the slider or over the menue.

if it is locked and i get a call i see the Call for a second but before i can hit the answer button the screen turns black again. i need to use the slider again and then i have slide the screenbutton to unlock the device. Until this time i lost the Call.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I purchased this phone on the hopes that a company with its investors and private agendas wouldn't carry on support for this phone. As time has gone by i have found more communities putting work into this device. Even if there isn't much support from major corporations, it is my understanding, as a linux user that it isn't necessarily required to have a well run project. I assumed most of the people that purchased this phone because it was community driven and not company driven. Even the service providers don't like selling the N900 because of the things that it can do. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356603,00.asp

You can agree or disagree with me, but i personally think that a larger community based support is better than a Corporate based support. Besides, most cell phone manufacturers only spend a few months supporting a piece of hardware anyways because they are concentrating on R&D on new equipment in order to make the end users buy new models every under a year later.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Well in Parts i agree with you but actually the Problem seems to be that Maemo Developers run away to other Platforms. I get the meego Mailinglists and there are some Discussions between official Nokia Devs about this Topic. The Problem is the Devs run away becouse they dont see why to put there Work into Maemo5 couse its dead in a few Months..

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If you had read the comments in this thread - or indeed in this forum over the past few months - you would realize that 2 things are certain:

1) pr 1.3 is coming
2) meego will be installable on the n900 but will be supported by the community

While the dates and details around the above are fuzzy (it IS Nokia after all) they are both good news for the n900. Btw, Nitdroid is not an emulation it is a full OS which dual boots alongside Maemo. The featureset is not complete yet, but I am confident that it will get there.

Oh, and TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POST ANY EASIER TO READ IT IS JUST ANNOYING.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Hang on your not making much sence here unless you work for Nokia.... "I purchased this phone on the hopes that a company with its investors and private agendas wouldn't carry on support for this phone" so when you buy a device you fully expect support to be ceased before the year is out..... oooer ok.

Yes i agree that a community based support could be better but only if it's members are competent programmers giving out competent apps etc unlike that of a corporate based support team made up of prof programmers etc.

The enthusiasm that was very much alive from the release of this device has drastically wained to the point that all there is left is the meager support from this community and that is now starting to take a dive !.

When the next device comes out from Nokia such as the N8 i am fearing the enthusiasm for this device will drop drastically from there on so where does that leave us N900 owners?.

So where is the proof of any updates in any way or form for the N900? can someone please provide this if it is out there?.

So far out of 44 posts on this thread NOTHING has been proven support wise for the device so is that an indication of the end of support from Nokia or is there something we are all missing here????.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Everything you said referring to the future is pure talk and hearsay so where WHERE is your proof????.

Nitdroid for your information will never be complete untill ALL drivers for every component is given out as free and open source and that is down to Nokia is it not ! so for now it is and will stay an emulation based on what is available at the moment untill that happens.

We really dont need fanism here we need PROOF so where is it?.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

I just wish I had the ability to read my kindle collection and ovi maps that could talk.

But I have to agree that it is bs to say this was advertised as and sold as a development phone.

Seems like for most, Nokia really let them down. For some it is the best phone choice ever (yes it is a phone) but not for most.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

PR1.3 huh and just what good will that do when we all know Nokia have ditched Maemo alltogether for Meego?.

Please do figure out that PR1.3 would indeed be a MAEMO update lol.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I suggest everyone reads the following link because it more or less confirms what Nokia are doing with Meego and the N900..... NOTHING !!!.

http://news.techworld.com/operating-...rade-for-n900/

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I've read a lot of posts, both positive and negative, on this issue and I am still confused. I hope someone offers a decent well-explained answer to my post.

What exactly IS the future of my N900? What would you say to people who say Maemo has no future because all the resources are going to Meego. Why would Nokia support Maemo? Even if there is support, isn't it going to be extremely limited?

I understand that there will probably be a community-supported version of Meego for the N900 but what exactly does that mean? People talk about having NITDroid with multiboot on the N900 but isn't that just a fancy geek experiment (no offense to those working on it)? I don't see a fully functional version of the Android on N900 EVER. Nothing that can actually add to the usability of the phone. Does this really count as a point in favor of the N900?

Would a community-supported version of Meego be fully functional? Would it improve the N900 or would it be just the mere ability to run Meego on N900, regardless of whether the experience is better than Maemo 5 on N900 or not?

I think concerns regarding the N900's future are extremely valid and I wouldn't consider it trolling. Its not mere whining. I haven't seen any decent answers to those concerns yet. Lets just look at how things are.

Currently, I don't even know of a way to comfortably watch YouTube videos on the N900. Most websites have upgraded to Flash 10.1, which isn't supported by the N900 so all the hoopoolala about N900 having Flash support is meaningless now. IT was one of the reasons I bought this phone. ZouTube doesn't work anymore either. Digi@scene is just plain weird and slow.

The E-mail application is horrible. Push-email is impossible without Nokia Messaging.

There are still few apps in the repositories compared to N900's competitors. In the beginning, people said N900 doesn't need apps because you can do it all from the browser but can you really?

There was a lot of hype about N900's front camera and video chat capabilities but this is another half-baked feature to say the least. It is plain painful. I haven't had one successful video chat yet. Can't see the other person's video on Skype. I hate to compare but if you compare it to the front camera usage on iPhone 4, all you can do is envy. The experience is so smooth. You can swiftly shift between cameras. You can easily see the person and the person can see you without any issues!

There are many other things that I could think of right now but I hope someone answers the questions I've asked here.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

make sure the other person on skype is using the latest version, I had the same experience but then in a test in my house, upgraded skype on my laptop and I could use video on my n900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@shanrizvi.... agreed

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Fooled me once - shame on you, fooled me twice - shame on me.

Future is bleak IMO.. very.. After witnessing how things are handled by Nokia I am not sure I want to buy another device from them ever again. Meego UI looks great but I'll always have a lingering suspicion that support for the new device will be dropped as quickly as it was for n900. The platform is dead an all those who blindly defend Nikia and N900 in its current state are just idiots.

P.S. To those who want android on N900 after using maemo - wake up! It is a great project and all, and great respect for the folks who code it and support it, but putting android on n900 is a joke, is a leap backwards, and the dumbest decision one can make.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

very very intelligent Post Atilla ..People like you i was talk about in my Posts. arent you intelligent enough to post some constructive maybe some tips to solve the Problems maybe your N900 works perfect hmm?..

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I guess the images from the meego website are just a figment of my imagination.

abill_uk your post is reta5ded.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The Meego for n900 will be just an OS to put as dual boot or will it be completely working for phone calls, flash 10.1, etc.?
I am asking it because it was said that many improvements to Maemo 5 cannot be done by the community because many of the things of the n900 are closed and not open.
But if is it true that they are closed, and Nokia will not support Meego for N900, how can the community create a completely working Meego for the n900?
I don't believe it.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yeah it would be nice if there was an official Kindle app. But at least you can still read them on the N900 with 3rd party tools.

Now if you could do the entire process on the N900 (download a book from Amazon, take the DRM off of it, convert with Calibre etc..). Right now you can only take the DRM off on the N900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

exactly mines work perfectly.
if you would have a little bit brain and know how yours would run perfect too

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

you Posting is right but there is an Image with Nokia Propertary Components:

* Battery Management Entity (BME), without this you may cause damage to your battery.
* WLAN firmware
* Bluetooth firmware

i guess nokia did give the Code free for the Meego Community but this isnt a Sign for me that Nokia will ever release a Meego for the N900 and the Community driven Development of the Meego N900 version needs at frist Nokia to give there close Codeparts free.. else its like Nitdroid at the Moment that Phone etc wont work.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@atilla i guess i have enough Brain but Bugzilla speaks another Language or didnt you strictly dont use the buggy Parts of the Software that need to be fixed from Nokia ? Maybe then you can say its all Perfect for sure..

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Patroclo, I don't think the community will "create" the Meego version for N900. Its not the same as the way in which the NITDroid team is bringing Android to the N900. Or so I hope.

johnel, you seem to know a lot about this stuff. Could you shed some light on this? I don't care whether the version is "supported" by the community or Nokia but will it be a fully functional version? Will it improve the N900 or will it be like NITDroid?

gill_za, totally agree with you there.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

first come a little bit down if you want to discuss the whole thing.
and yes i know bugzilla and i know that there are many many bugs.
but not everyone have these bugs.
and for some there are pretty good solutions.
like mohammads solution for the incoming call glitch.
i didnt have any bug.
but i spend some time for mine phone and dont need help from nokia cause i clear my probs self,sure with the communitys help.

trust me you except too much from an device.
do you think other phones didnt have bugs?
dude did you ever had an n97?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Don't really have time to break down the post into answerable elements so I'll just do a list.

1) dj_steve (one of the guys working on NitDroid) has constantly surprised me with progress on NITDroid. At this point I think the team is more likely to get a fully working version of Android before there's a fully working version of Meego on the N900. I'm not quite sure how he's doing it, I know the Milestone and Droid have similar hardware but still..

2) Community version of Meego probably wouldn't be as smooth as Maemo. It'd be barely functional, but not sure how good it would be compared to just running Maemo, or an actual device that came with Meego.

3) Maemo is pretty much dead as an OS (well rather it was cannibalized by Meego). The only thing I would expect from Nokia at this point is PR 1.3 (bringing QT Mobility, and some bugfixes). As for future applications, the only hope is QT compatibility across Maemo and Meego.

4) Most Flash 10.1 sites don't need Flash 10. You can try it by using Flash Faker (fakes the version of the Flash running on the N900). But if a website is actually using features in Flash 10 of course they won't work on the N900 then.

5) I agree the e-mail client is TERRIBLE.

6) The whole app versus browser thing really depends on which app your talking about. For example, if the app just shows you a site's RSS feed (but in a slightly prettier form) then there really doesn't need to be an app for it. But something that requires something to be locally stored on the device (like games) need to be an app.

A great example would be the mobile youtube site, even Google stopped working on the Youtube app on the iPhone because they realized it was pointless to have X number of apps when the point of it was to stream videos. Now say if you want to download and watch locally stored Youtube videos that might need to be an app.

7) I've only had Skype video chat problems when the other person's Skype client wasn't updated. But I've never had any problems with Video Google Talk or Skype on WiFi or 3G otherwise. A little bit laggy on 3G though. But the iPhone's ability to switch to the rear camera is nice (I wish the N900 had it). Would be useful when I wanted to show my fiancee the new turtle I got for her rather than trying to turn the n900 around and position it.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

It's a long story but basically:

Nokia will not officially support MeeGo on n900.
Community is doing port and some Nokia employees are lending a hand too.
Drivers for n900 are still closed but community are writing open source versions (e.g. battery management)
MeeGo for n900 is till very immature. The next release is due in October and will have a gui (maybe very basic version but feature complete?)
The n900 version of MeeGo should be backward compatible with maemo5 - I'm not sure on the full details on this. This version is based on Harmattan (codename for maemo6).
Proper MeeGo for new Nokia device at end of this year maybe next year.

All this has not been formally announced by Nokia but through rumours by informed people (not me) here in the forum.
Edit: Except "Nokia will not officially support MeeGo on n900."

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nokia is still working on Maemo 5 ... with less enthusiasm than before that is for sure.

Bugs fixed per month (PR released during that month) :

July : 34
June : 61
May : 37 (PR 1.2)
April : 30
March : 104
February : 160 (PR 1.1.1)
January : 176 (PR 1.1)
December : 75
November : N900 Released

Source

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

IIRC, without it you simply have less optimal charging and no means of monitoring the battery state. The chip (in the N900) has available documentation, however.

Not Nokia's, nothing can be done here.

Not Nokia's, nothing can be done here.

Nokia has said as much.

Again, aside from BME (which they should open) the contended parts here tend to have source that is not Nokia's to release. You have the exact same issue with every other handset vendor.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

It's like Nokia's telling us: "Our door is ALWAYS open sometimes."

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

TFTFY

I still play it on the original hardware; maybe today in fact since you mentioned it. It's still the best. It will rise again.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nokia depends on people like you to keep your mouths shut.

Does the n900 community have a high percentage of whiners or are they just customers who know they deserve better?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

hey jacktanner are you sure that we will meego in future.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Is that a trick question ? :p

Anyway, just a FYI, what has been announced not to be supported on the N900 is Harmattan (previously known as Maemo 6), it just sounded silly because now everything is called MeeGo. Support of MeeGo (as the project hosted by the Linux Foundation) means little-to-nothing as that is not the flavour end-users would be using anyway, regardless of version (not on a Nokia device, not on a Samsung, LG or you name it). The most important projects, funded by Nokia proper, about which most users have minimum knowledge/clue, but should be the ones to ask about as THOSE will determine what they will actually have, is the "N900 MeeGo hardware adaptation project" and the "N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia". Yes, horrible names, but those things are what you really want, not the generic 'MeeGo on N900'.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Maybe we can get the chance to put our questions/concerns to Nokia themselves tomorrow:

Imagine if all the people from here jumped on this, with all the issues some of us have, we might get some sort of a response.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

This whole concept of "whiners" and "trolls" is just plain pathetic from a lot of you. A bunch of self-righteous jerks that get off on expounding the beliefs that you're just so gosh darn happy with your damn N900 and Maemo 5 that you're ignorant to anybody else having a problem that you may or may not be having. Geek egocentrics is just as bad as the so-called "iSheep"... all you are doing is just fulfilling the other half of what makes a bad consumer model - compliance and ignorance.

I typically ignore the rants and raves of this forum because it's pretty much the one place I can go to where it's a good collective of intelligent people that know more about Linux and/or Maemo and ultimately Nokia products and their (currently) misunderstood product path.

But seriously. To label folks that want bugs that do exist to be fixed is considered whining now? Last I checked, that's called support. And customers deserve support... especially for a phone/internet tablet/whatever your semantic laden rhetoric dictates the N900 to be to you and your geek soul has latched onto, that was just released in HK, India and a few other larger markets.

Do I have one still? No. But I use one. And I can admit that it's a flawed device. But unlike my N810, some of the flaws now get in the way of me making phone calls - I actually talk to people on this thing, imagine that - and the fact that I'm an Adobe Flex/Flash dev, I'm also producing stuff that I no longer cannot view on the device.

But whiners? The sheer amount of posturing and malicious stances opposed to anybody saying that they want some support is just sickening. Some people just want some damn support. Either offer it or avoid the thread with what you consider a "whiner" because you've become what you hate the most somehow... a whiner yourself.

Flame away. By now, I think you guys know I truly don't care.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Meego is the same as the Linux connotation vs. denotation problem. At this point I think you might as well go with Meego's connotation rather than denotation. At least until other (if it happens) Meego devices arrive.

Edit: And Jesus Christ is this community falling apart.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I'm pretty sure at this point, it's more like it's shattered into a million pieces all over the floor.. and at this point we're just tap dancing on it's remnants...

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I want to understand this, because if my current understanding is correct, there might be a faster way for you to get to your call.

When you say locked, do you mean screen lock or device lock? I get the feeling you mean screen lock (no pass key needed), and not device lock (pass key needed), true?

If the above is true, it seems you're using the power button (on top between +/- and IR port) to unlock the screen. If so, maybe try using the screen lock/unlock slider (on the side with headphone jack) or try opening the keyboard. Both of these methods unlock the screen instantly, no on-screen sliding necessary.

If I'm way off here, sorry for the post.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The way this community is going it will cease to exsist soon if it carries on like this because too many idiots who want to put people down for raising what... the TRUTH !!!.

Upto now nothing has been submitted on this thread that proves anything but one thing... the N900 is not going to get Meego and will most likely not get any future updates from Nokia so as soon as people fully realise this the better then the whole thing can move on to the next disaster from Nokia.

Please prove me wrong here for every owners sake of the N900.