Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

What are you talking about, all is well.

And here's the latest from Nokia's US HQ.

Relax, everything's fine.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I like it daperl All is well

I just realized we can argue and convince each other all we want but it still won't change what Nokia, or Ovi, or the developers do

Wait and See... if you are unhappy buy a new phone.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Well said
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Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

How exactly does this prove that n900 will not get meego and/or further updates? Just b/c there is a lack of concrete proof that it WILL happen does not prove that it WILL NOT happen. IMO there are more positive signs than negative...

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

1 simple question :

Which other phone gives you FLAC/ Multitasking / inbuilt Skype/Facebook/Twitter/ Linux / and so much more till date ?

If only there was no Proximity sensor prob. but oh well! :) ! happy user!

Compared to an iphone, ( which only lasts a year..till the new one comes out) N900 is far much better..2 years and still no signs of obsolete.

Compared to Android phones : I've lost count as to how many Android phones are out there.. still there are bugs in the android platform..

Maemo 5 is just 1 device..give nokia a break... :-/

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Any phone has its own set of features.

Hmmm, no signs? You have had it for two years when its only been out for 7 months? What kind of clown are you.

There are a few Android phones and only 1 Maemo phone and that makes it a credit?

One device with many problems. I would gladly give Nokia several breaks.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

oh..i must have typed 2 :-/ sorry for that...i meant one..wont edit that now.

yea so u stated urself its like only been 7 months and people are on it like omgwtfbbq. I am also frustrated with the amount of bugs in it.. but life is not always as u want it to be..
in the end its for you to deicde
Love N900 for its awesome features ?
Or Hate N900( Nokia ) for its bugs. :) !

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Note that it's summer in Europe, and as such, a lot of people (including Finns) generally take an awful lot of holiday.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I have been a Nokia Fan for quite a long long time.

My Second phone, N95, which i purchased the first day that it landed in the retail stores (3 years ago) for which i spent a fortune USD 539.00 (Middle East), and the first impression i got was, WTH, Will This S*** ever be able to serve a purpose as a smartphone? The Wall Posters in markets read "Its what computers have become" and I was like hell no, and if this is what phones have become, I am doomed. Much like now, most forums worldwide went crazy, ranting and flaming and all.

Today, trust me, after 3 long years, I still use my N95 and its really a very very amazingly stable device with its latest firmware. To tell the truth, Nokia has a habit of late entry, I mean, like in a movie, when the situation is at the worst and when the hero pops in, how do we all feel, thats the kinda situation here. :cool:

When the P.R. 1.2 was released, for a few weeks, all were silenced, but then slowly started again. Yes the rants and all started coz of the new bugs that came into existance and also some old unreslved bugs. Its normal for Nokia to release Firmwares extremely late and all, and personally, I know that the N900 really needs some serious looking into as of its current issues. At the moment, it is more of a computer and less of a phone... Lol.

Also, the work being done in this forum, "the constructive part", I would like to applaud on that. I am a proud owner of the N900 and a proud member of this forum. Personally I am a NooB when it comes to the Linux Maemo and all, but I am learning to understand my phone better and am lovin it :D.( Dont you just love to get into XTerminal as root and try out some commands that your N900 understands and replies back and follows your order :D?)

Specs and Feature wise I am very very very happy (OpenSource to the extent that you are allowed to do anything? No Company has ever thought to go this far for the Tech Oriented (Geeks) :D. )
OS, Not that satisfied with it due to current bugs that kinda puts me in a difficult situation. (A Turn Off Factor, I know :D)

PR 1.3, we can hope for the best like we all used to do with Nokia in the past. And well, gotta be prepared for the worst too...

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nice try, but you're no Niini. Your reason-foo is no match for the pessimist tone of this thread. It has attained the 'I don't care level', where it no longer matters what you DID, DO or WILL (not) get, as if you say something positive, you're a blind fanboy, and if you say something negative, you're a whiner. Being normal, considering advantages and disadvantages does not apply and is being used to reaffirm one's fanboy or whine attitude as mentioned above.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

"But seriously. To label folks that want bugs that do exist to be fixed is considered whining now?"

The way to get a bug that does exist fixed is NOT to pile into a humongous (well, getting there) thread and complain and complain and ask for proof. The way to get a bug fixed is to find a thread or place where that bug is discussed or reported and talk about it there.

And to those of you demanding proof -- I would like proof too! Where is proof that the economy is improving? Where is proof that I am going to live ten years? Where is proof that anything is going to happen about anything?

I don't know about you, but I'm just not finding a lot of proof, especially about future events, out there.

In the meantime, my N900 is lovely.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Some misinformation there - Nokia employees (incl kernel developers) plus subcontractors are paid to work on MeeGo for N900 hardware adaptation. By MeeGo I mean meego.com, not Maemo 6.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Just look at the number of these so called "ranting/whining" threads popping up all the time here. If nothing else, this should be an indication that more and more people are getting disappointed, frustrated and just plain pissed with n900 and nokia.

No amount of Nokia_arsh_kissing comments from individuals around here will make it better for the rest of us. One can't convince a hungry person that he/she is well fed.

Look at what is happening here... was this forums so fragmented and were there so many complaints before?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

In MeeGo, closed blobs are: battery management, 3d accelerator libraries, bluetooth and wifi firmware. Accessible by plugging in your IMEI and accepting the usual 'no warranties' license.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

So what you're saying is that they're not really serious about competing?

Oh snap! He called it!

Man, I miss it when it was Internet Tablet Talk and we were all so optimistic about openness and stuff. :) Man, we were so naive. heheh

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yes, there has been LOT of complaints before.
And many of them by the same posters as well :D
It is just the way that web discussions/forums work IMHO.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Damn. I've ran out of popcorn....hold up a minute guys.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Niklas Savander guy is taking questions on twitter today:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...6&goto=newpost

Why don't everyone tweet him and ask him about what bothers you about N900? I' asked him about flash 10.1 on N900.. i guess if everyone of us tweets then it will be hard to avoid that question.. cmon' peeps.. start tweeting please!

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Question about 2) : Will Meego for N900 be a Phone or just a microcomputer. (sms, mms, mfe, and OVI store access .... all the things Nokia phones have?)

I haven't seen any answer to this, but I sure want to know what people believe (hoping is not that interesting).

Regards.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

This will be my only "contribution" to this thread.. (it may/should have already been posted, but i haven't read the whole thing.)

PR1.3 has been said to be coming in no unclear terms by people inside nokia. I realize it's not an official announcement.. but typically companies don't look pleasing on it's employees putting egg on their face by speaking fallacies.

So I do expect a PR1.3 will come eventually.

I have 0 hope of anything beyond that, or that PR1.3 will bring anything significant beyond what we already have (excepting the Web API/qt mobility stuff if you care about that.)

The one link in the wiki about PR1.3 is not the only place I've seen it referenced, I'm just far too lazy to search through the history and find more.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Can you explain in detail how these blobs are going to be maintained for the n900? For instance, many think the tearing problem (vsync ?) is caused by some graphics drivers that n900 owners don't have the source to. Is there a policy or procedure in place to address issues for these binary blobs? If not, and no one paid by Nokia is going to fix this code, I bet some of us would have no problem signing an NDA to help fix hacker versions of these things if need be.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

let sleeping dogs lay....

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Dog is awake.

Bump.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If you're wondering about technicalities, we have a build target following the daily and weekly releases/major of MeeGo with the sources of the blobs. We're currently building so we get notified if the builds break as well as automatic publishing of the built blobs (coming this week, automatic images hopefully soon afterwards).

I'm personally these days testing the SGX drivers for inclusion, let's see if they work properly first.

In case of staffing, see my earlier reply.

We have the N900 as a reference device for MeeGo, hence images has to work and pass QA. That implies a high standard and a commitment to keep things working.

We have a very minimal set of binaries so it should be possible to maintain them.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Haha if we're going go with that then..

Technically we can already all run Meego on the N900. It just doesn't do anything useful that Maemo doesn't already do. =P

I believe the answer was don't expect the community release to come with Nokia services like Ovi Maps.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

It is caused by the entire stack, from the 3d libraries to ui toolkit to individual apps -- it's not only a matter of magically flipping a switch in the sgx driver (a switch that exists indeed, btw).

For example you can do tearfree video on a N900 with the current software set.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Thanks for the info, but would you mind being more specific. Are you saying I can solve this inside something like an xorg.conf file? I'm trying to push the envelope, so I thought if I do things like disable double-buffering in GTK widgets, for example, I can avoid a performance hit. See what I mean? I'm a little lost. Please help this ignorant fool.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

More importantly, how can we believe you if we can't even prove it to ourselves, looking over the source code and tweaking it and supplying a patch back to the maintainer to QA and distribute the fix?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Well the way I see it is, I'm really enjoying the N900 as it is. So I guess my N900 has very many years on it. It works for me, why should it stop doing that in the future? :)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

My N800 hasn't stopped working either! ...of course, it also hasn't been getting any updates (fixes, security, etc.) either. I'm sure your N900 will continue not getting those for years, too.

THE STAGNATION CHAA-CHAA-CHAA! Come on, you know the dance! We've done it before!

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

What about Maemo6/Harmattan?

They both share same MeeGo handsets core and touch framework IIRC, so the same drivers should work for both Harmattan and MeeGo(.com) right?

If so, will be able to run Harmattan's UI (that got leaked a few days ago) on N900?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think Harmattan has changed to become a "compatibility layer" to run maemo stuff on meego?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I'm saying otherwise; that it's not "only" an issue of enabling/disabling "vsync", which you can already do with a single call to the EGL library.

Via a remote shell session, stop hildon-desktop (there will be no titlebar, close button, launcher button, ...) then try to open your favorite tearing Gtk+ app. The SGX is no longer involved in the entire process, in fact there's no closed driver involved AT ALL, but tearing still occurs.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

No, the lower you get system-wise, the larger the differences. They "share" the UI/API, but not kernel/packaging/etc.

That would be this project.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think that's a bit backwards.. Harmattan will be Maemo done in such a way as to allow MeeGo stuff to run on it.

But, by nature of being compatible, most things written for one should work on the other either way... it will just need to be re-packaged.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Now it seems nothing will come out of Nokia on the future of the N900 for either Maemo or Meego so now it really is looking like it is down to this community to upgrade it's os, and without the full drivers from Nokia! what a daunting task.

Oh well that says it all really and as for this community...... it will most probably move on to the next device and forget this one simply because that is what Nokia want to happen it seems.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

isnt meego multitouch enabled? won't the n900 fail this requirement?

the market is the best judge of a company's performance and right now, nokia seems to be bearing the fruit of its own destruction.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yes maybe but Nokia as a company will no way fail to that extent just because of a failure on the N900, if anything we are now witnessing a new era and change in mobile fone technology and as sad as it may look for us, we now have to figure out the best way forward for the os of our device and i must say here is just about the best place on earth to get results in that field !.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Meego incidently is capable of driving any device but it does require personalisation for this device as it will do as mobile technology progresses for all future meego devices.

The problem is Nokia dont seem to want to give the N900 Meego and that IS a big problem for us considering some of the drivers are not open source.