Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

:rolleyes: Nokia has a paid team working to deliver drivers/blobs to the n900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Someone in-the-know who is being payed by Nokia comes in here and says what I quoted below, and the above is your response? So, either you started this thread and then decided to only read posts that were about you or to you. Or you're just a troll. Which is it?

Thanks for starting this thread, but if you're not going to read it, please stop posting.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Well if this actually IS happening i think it is fair to say that everyone on this community as an owner of an N900 need to be told from Nokia direct is some way to give reassurance but the fingers all point to minimal support now from Nokia.

Please in future give a full link to anything from Nokia so users can follow.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I realized I'd forgot to downvote this thread, but Stskeeps et al. have been posting good info (as usual). So, thanks.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

SO now it seems meego.com is the place to check out, seems we on this community get to know little of what future the N900 has.... yet and not suprising THIS community has the most whiners !.

SO who is being helpful to Maemo.org?.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The answer is nobody. Alot of people are getting fed up with the way this community has been invaded and dragged down to the pits.

Technically the N900 already runs Meego. It just doesn't do anything (see developer builds) And while the drivers aren't open source (I wish everything was open source) Nokia has provided a way for you to get to the closed propriertery bits and use them. On this end Nokia has been pretty clear that the N900 will be getting Meego.

What people are expecting is the same Meego that the next Nokia device will get (whatever the heck it is, I'm not interested in it since I'm tired of Nokia's support). Which will have Ovi integration. Which isn't going happen or is going be much harder. Nokia has pretty much taken a silent stance on that.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Wouldn't it make any itty bitty sense to wander over to meego.com on the odd occasion to see what is happening?

Isn't that rather a little more constructive and educational or do you prefer your indignant ignorance?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

N900 is a great tool. I have a Blackberry and apart from quicker mail response (the N900 is quite slow) it really has a much deeper interface and useability.
Meego could help in creating a faster UI and much better mail integration and the new BB Torch has a 5mp camera, which this had a year ago.
Its still current and active, Nokia is slow and nowhere near as bad as Vodafone who have locked out upgrades etc.
I'm not a Nokia fan at all but the N900 has a lot going for it.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Point taken but this community is the main and should be the only real source for information on the N900.

I actually missed that page where Stskeeps came in on this thread with some valuable information so my ignorance there !.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Thats a good news. But will Nokia Provide any support for MeeGo?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

are you a developer yourself? how do you know they leave? What do you base it on?

* lack of flash support? I dont think soo the OSS community prefers open development platfron.

* lack of OviMaps they could care less.

* lack of android SDK? hahaha I really dont think so.

* lack of QT? no

One reason could be is cause they dont like QT and prefer GTK+ SDK that is for sure a deadend for nokia going that direction. 5hats one reason Maemo5 is dropped.

but some of developer will change decision and start devvelop in QT its far beetter than android sdk already and it will be better and supporter by the community.

problem is not always Nokia problem is also to mush whining that make the OSS community in bad mood :(

looks like flash and similar crap is more important than open platform :(

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Commercial support? As in you can call Nokia about a Meego problem on the N900? No.

Ovi support? Probably no. I think the best answer we've heard so far is that Nokia will not actively support Ovi in Meego on N900. Whether they will intefere with the community in providing it. I don't know. I hope not.

Flash 10.1? Depends on if it's included vanilla Meego or Nokia Meego. If it's Nokia Meego see Ovi Support and hope they won't intefere as the community tries to reverse engineer it. If it's vanilla Meego then yes.

Basically treat Meego on the N900 as an unofficial release. Nokia is only providing a vanilla Meego OS and basic hardware fuctionality (video drivers, battery management, etc. through closed source blobs that you get when entering your IMEI number when downloading images ) Anything higher then that (customer support, tech support, Ovi, proprietery junk) Nokia is not likely to officially provide. I would take their silence as a no. Nokia will not provide it.

So what does this mean? I personally think there will be a basic Meego OS that can make calls and support BME (battery management) with QT compatibility. Anything other then that is unknown and dependent on the community to figure it out. Hopefully Nokia won't send cease and desist letters if the community tries to get ovi support and flash (if it's part of Nokia Meego) working.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

What happens when that paid team is no longer paid? Will the drivers be opened up so that the community can fix bugs and features that remain on a WONTFIX status the way history has shown in the 770/N800/N810/N810WE days of Maemo?

Let's hope they don't pull an N8x0 style community-supported Fremantle/Mer on the N900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

We can only hope so. It might just be blind optimism but I really think Meego/Harmattan on the n900 will end up being quite functional. :)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Personally, I think we'll have a fairly long run. At some point things get feature complete and hardware adaptation stays maintained with all the fun happening in Core+Handset UX.

Risk evaluation is based on how many blobs exist:

Wifi, BT firmware - not going to break with newer kernels
BME - might break with newer kernels, should be maintained.
SGX - implements same interface nevertheless (GLESv2/EGL), kernel part is open source.
fbdev-sgx Xorg driver - must be recompiled against latest Xorg. Code is open source, but due to technical issues we compile it internally against daily/weekly MeeGo as method described in any earlier post.

.. and that's it. That's risk that's manageable, I'd say.

From open source point of view, we try to upstream all our kernel changes, making it possible to maintain.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If that is the case then there is no point of upgrading N900 to MeeGo and I don't know for how long will Maemo will stay alive. MeeGo has a good future but if Nokia does'nt provide support for N900 then the future looks dark for such an awesome device

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think we need to see the Meego os in action before we install it onto the N900 but if past history is anything to go by then it will be as snaggy as Maemo for god knows how long, mind you having said that Meego does appear to be the new OS standard Nokia are going all out to make a decent standard of workability on its future handsets... WE HOPE !!! ... but we just have to wait and see.

Obviously Stskeeps keeps jumping in here with valuable snippets and i very hope he keeps on doing so... at last some responce from Nokia !!!!.... but lol dont hold your breath, wait and see if Nokia will redeem itself !.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Not a Nokian. Am part of MeeGo N900 hardware adaptation team so I know what I'm talking about though :P

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I dont care your not a Nokian because you are probably one of the few high hopes we got !!! PLEASE keep up the good work and when the N900 get's past it's 1yr warranty period for most people i will let loose the hardware links needed to make otg work BUT .... ha ha YOU will have to give us the software to make it complete :p.

Keep up the great enthusiasm and your work is always always much appreciated on this forum for sure sure.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I do like the tags. Same people writing the same thing because people slag off the holygrail of soon to be house bricks.

N900 is already dead as far as Nokia is concerned as no matter what you as a community do, nothing will improve ovi maps, ovi suite and ovi store and they are the Nokia level of support. They are the things you measure Nokia's support by. The report on the register.co.uk this morning from a rather influential analyst suggest that Nokia's recent conference was smelling of desperation. Another report a few weeks back was another cleve bloke showing the failings in the organisational and leadership of Nokia, from a very indepth view. So I think as a company they have lost the plot. Never mind just the N900.

Community support is one thing, but it is six months on, I still can't get MMS despite fMMS, I still can't get custom ring tones because it takes 25 seconds to ring, my phone still can't really multitask despite what you all claim. If I load media player is stutters because the CPU can't hack it, open explorer then load media player and it is worse. While watching a film it takes five presses to get it to register you want to press the screen to do something else. (then crashes) The battery is rubbish, I have to run an optimisation script daily to avoid a reboot, it takes me 2 file explorers to copy and paste between directories. Because one can copy but can't create folders, the other can't copy but can create directories. There is still no realistic working word app package, abiword just corrupts all my files with meta tags in pink and freeoffice crashes after loading. Most games work but few are worth it, those few that are, that really use the N900, like wargus I can't get to work at all. I need apps from the community to tell me I got an SMS or missed call, contacts management is appalling and the phone app is frustrating because it rotates with the accelerometer. Making answering it impossible. And everynow and then mid film it decides that the AVI is now not supported, requiring a reboot anyway.

What it came with doesn't work as needed, what is created from the community is still in beta.

So yes the community will produce something, but will it be polished and work, or will it be six months of trial and error before it is worth using?

Nokia did this as a test bed, then changed their minds. It is a dead platform and Nokia have moved on. It has no future beyond community support and that support will slowly move into Meego or more likely, jump to android.

I am not a developer, don't begin to understand complexity you lot go through, and thanks for keeping the N900 from being thrown out the window long ago. Just think your talents should really be put to other companies, ones that actually value the customers.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@ twigleaf1976 If you found out that ALL your problems are software related and that Meego will put it right in every aspect you have wrong how would you feel then about the N900?.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

So why meego is being developed to N900 by team that has been put up by Nokia.
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Dead? What? Devel release maybe but dead? Are you trolling?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Please will you stop the trolling accusations and allow freedom of speech !.

His comments are called FEEDBACK and now he probably will not answer my question thanks to your menacing attitude !.

Is it your intention to hijack this thread with negative accusations to anyone that says something negative?, it is very simple to turn negatives into positives but not with your attitude i am sorry to say.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

There was a relative official statement that there will be Meego for n900.
Please don't put this wrong!
This does NOT mean that it will be available via Nokia as Harmattan or Maemo6. There will be no support from Nokia and no OTA upgrade available. What is the matter with asking this all over again?

@twigleaf1976
N900 will still get an upgrade(s) for Maemo5, and N810 is still alive if you ask the community, it is old but still gets some software upgrades... just not from Nokia.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yes like many comments on this thread this person is trolling.

No matter what develops or what you say trolls will never be happy.

It's like someone winning a million pounds on the lottery and then saying:
"oh ffs! I only won a million pounds, I wanted 5 million! That's rubbish I'm going to complain and complain and complain until somone does something about it"

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think maybe this will change under the new management hopefully and if enough people in the right area's are involved in Meego then why would we not have the os we should have had with Maemo?.

I would never take for granted anything Nokia says unless it is splattered all across the internet, one post from a deluded Nokian does not mean it is gospel.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Please stay focused! Ignore troll requests and keep the topic straight. I wont go back through all posts to delete the off-topics...


That does not have to be a Nokian it was one of the Meego guys so it might be one of Intel or some other who is working close to core. Not everything needs to be spread through 20k channels before it becomes true, the right channel to listen to is just enough! Anything in the news is not granted as long as you don't have the official channel as reference.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Is that a hint of sarcasm there?
If MeeGo turns out to be a lifesaver! :)

For me, then n900 is one of the most flexible "smartphones" out there - you can install pretty much anything you want and is fully programmable.

The technical team have done a terrific job of producing the n900 but unfortunately Nokia "management" have obviously mis-managed it.

All we can do is wait and see when the next update to MeeGo performs like. I think it's due in October at some point.

Incidentally according to the open-source Harmattan project the project has been absorbed into MeeGo.

I imagine for a 1.1 release we should expect something quite stable. As regards to any Nokia-specific software I have no idea if the n900 version of MeeGo will get anything - hopefully Nokia will do something.

Who knows if Flash 10 is to be included in MeeGo at some point (it would need to be for the next MeeGo device) then maybe the n900 may actually get a Flash backport.

We can speculate all we like all we can do is wait until October and see what develops.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

slender if everything was positive in this world it would be a heck of a boring place to be !.

"I like feedback with sources and some explanations when you are trying generalize something or saying something that you think is fact."

If you know anytthing about a successful bussiness then you will know that negatve feedback is the best thing any company can get IF it knows how to deal with it and put wrongs right !.

He gave positive negatives and explained exactly what the problems are he has and THAT is just the kind of neagivity a comany needs to make good if it is run properly of course.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Umm. Looking at the marketing of N900, Nokia is targeting the general public and not just for those who you think deserve to use the N900. Anyone who show interest and can afford to buy the N900 is their target audience last time I checked.

Posts like this just makes me cringe. A typical fanboy post. I'm a fan of my N900 also and an advocate but it definitely isn't that perfect and can see why many people will complain. (as Nokia doesn't just market it for the super geeks)

What I want to say is... Umm... What gerbick said. :D

Some are getting confused as to what some are complaining:

1. Most are upset at Nokia in relation to the N900. Not at N900 directly.
2. Nokia said "they" will not provide/support "their" MeeGo on N900.
3. Not enough communication from Nokia about the N900 and its future support that general consumers are interested in such as full OVI maps. (Most don't know or care if N900 will get Qt4.x blah blah) (Also, in some countries, it was only released about a month ago so it's not an old device by any means)
4. Where is the damn Rollercoaster game we've been teased with 5 months ago? (lol, I just added this in for kicks)

Please don't get this confused with:

1. We will probably get fully working non-official/community build Harmattan/MeeGo. Without Nokia's offical support.
2. We will probabaly get fully working Android (Nitdroid) someday. IMO, this is more important than MeeGo as it makes the N900 far more versatile. Obviously not getting Nokia's support for this one. :p
3. N900 is an awesome device with a huge amount of untapped potential still. Thanks to all the super devs/hackers in making N900 the best device for many so far.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Actually, what is the official channel?

Are we talking about official announcements from Nokia about maemo & meego?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

N900 feature is still in our hands.
Nokia did what they need to do to save there company.

Following are some ideas through which we can do lot more with our devices.
We can ask nokia to opensource all maemo components except Ovi Stuff and build community firmware.

We can fix bugs, improve feature of all the available opensource code and keep proprietary as it is and build community firmware.

We can revers engineer proprietary components and use already opensource code and build community firmware.

You have 2 choices
1. Keep Blaming Nokia
2. Start Working and contributing you part to keep our self happy

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I agree with what your saying and my feelings are Nokia need to take a step back and concentrate on the fundamentals of customer satisfaction and support as opposed to being a ruthless money making machine that it has slowly turned out to be.

If we all be very good and treat the developers with respect :D and urge them on in the way we want them to go , we will get good results but my fear is the money side of it as everyone gets greedier as time goes by it seems.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Hello, maybe this is a stupid questions but exist any way that we can ask or request to nokia the open source code or the drivers of maemo, becuase if they won't contine supporting maemo 5 ok give to use the drivers and we will make it works. then how we can do that request via the maemo council or how. I think so that's then only way that we can make it a real nice maemo for our beloved N900.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Pretty spot on. Also that history is repeating itself almost word for word. Alot of these guys prefer the emu approach to life though.

http://mkcommunists.files.wordpress....ad-in-sand.jpg

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

hmmm. He quite certainly said:
"N900 is already dead as far as Nokia is concerned as no matter what you as a community do..."

Which is pure fear, uncertainty and doubt.

I also know that if i want to give feedback to company then i first check that I´m using correct platform/media. I would not go to local car kit accessory shop to tell people why Toyota is miserable failure and that they do not care about customers. If i went then I most certainly hope that i would get kicked out of that place by it´s employees.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I actually agree with that statement.

Does that make me a troll now?

Nokia gives next to no information regarding the device, the twitter hoopla they put together ignores the platform and questions altogether, and the theoretical "ARM development" platform for MeeGo was far behind the curve at MeeGo release than it's Intel counterpart. It actually for the most part still seems to be.

I know the N900 team is working hard on that (Stskeeps included), but you have to realize that with no official support on a MeeGo adaptation to the N900 we are not going to get a perfect OS. Also, Stskeeps is the first to tell you he isn't a "Nokian". I do believe they cut him a check, but I don't think he's actually "in" Nokia. So, they (Nokia) are going to get it (MeeGo) to a "good enough" level and let it slide by, because honestly, why continue developing on something they won't make any more money off of? Now, hopefully the community will be able to go from "Good enough" to end-user reliable but that's still speculation if that will happen.

The N900 and Maemo 5 are about as high on Nokia's radar as the Palm Pre is in the smartphone arena. Or at least, that is the by and large impression they are leaving.

Now, that's not saying there isn't a future to the N900 in MeeGo, like I said that's speculation at this point, however with no official support and with MeeGo's own UI frameworks talking about using things such as multi-touch being an integral part of the OS - the N900 is certainly not the target for MeeGo.

I love my N900.. there is no other phone in the Market right now that even comes close to be a better fit for me than the N900. I'm not spreading FUD.. I'm simply speaking bluntly on exactly the way appearances are right now. And these appearances are by and large Nokia's fault.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If you plainly just say that N900 is completely dead to Nokia then i would say that you are probably just trolling :|

What do you mean by theoretical?
Looks like in that team it´s Nokia employees working with other people: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
It´s put up by Nokia.

Yes it´s not going to be official release from Nokia and not supported as officially like meego, but then again if you are saying it´s dead on behalf of Nokia you are just lying and spreading FUD.

It´s fck vicious way of communication from Nokia to just tell little information and not really promising anything completely.

On the other hand you can speculate speculate and speculate and only thing you can say that on Nokias behalf n900 could be already dead or maybe not. It seems that it´s not dead as they are using it as reference for meego but on the other hand....etc.

When someone says that N900 is dead to Nokia then he is saying that there is no future for it in eyes of Nokia. What else does it mean? Still facts show quite contrarty that there is something happening.

IMO Nokia has made many missteps which include advertising N900 and giving mixed and quite confusing statements about future of maemo & meego.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

This is firmly Nokia's fault and why there is so much debate and opinions.

Nokia's inability to communicate with their customers makes "Rain Man" look like a psychotic extrovert.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nokia's been pretty clear of the status of Meego on the N900. They are going get it to the point where the hardware fully works for developers and use the N900 as a development platform (I guess they gotta do something with the remaining N900s). So the N900 isn't dead. It's just dead to consumers (as in no official future support).

What Nokia has been mum about is their support of anything beyond that (Flash, Ovi Maps and all, consumer/tech support). Which I assume (based on their silence) that the answer is a no.

Though I personally think that they should put a QT version of Ovi Maps in vanilla Meego. Considering their biggest competitor is Android and nearly every Android device comes with Google Maps. If Nokia wants to combat Android they need other manufacturers to produce Meego devices. By providing Ovi Maps with vanilla Meego any manufacturer could then take that and sell their smartphone with GPS included. Especially if they want to get into the services and advertisement business like Google does and what Apple is getting more into.