Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

You keep linking that... have you run it? I have. I watched the various Intel Moorestown videos of MeeGo on Handset release and have actually used the N900 MeeGo release. Guess what? Huge gap in functionality from what the Moorestown was showing!

So yes, theoretical development device, because it's obvious MeeGo is moving along with Moorestown, while the N900 is still playing catchup.

Yes, I am saying that every indication is that it's dead. Im sorry, you simply cannot say that just because they are using the N900 has a framework to furthering MeeGo which they have no intention of Supporting on the N900 is a "future" in a company. That's just ... well it's dilusional.

No, the n900 is the device they have right now, and it's working, and that is the only reason they are using it to aide in MeeGo development. Nothing at all to do with them expecting a "future". They only "future" we know of is PR1.3. Now, I'll certainly change my opinion if going from PR1.2 to PR1.3 is like going from Android 1.6 to 2.1. I doubt it, though.

However, past PR1.3... and even what PR1.3 will even be.. is nothing but a black vortex of hell. That's not a future. The only confirmed reports we have indicate no future of support for the n900 with MeeGo OR Harmattan - And Harmattan is even MAEMO, and then all the not "officially" announced but "said from sources within the company" reports we have are that we'll never get a Flash upgrade, so that (one of it's strongest selling points) is already outdated.

I'm sorry.. I've seen, and Nokia has shown, absolutely nothing with regards to a "future" for the N900. MeeGo is their future, and MeeGo on the N900 is not guaranteed to even work fully. I am having this discussion in another thread too I believe: This will be a developmental only build.. once they get it "good enough" we will be relying on the Community to support and end-user workable model. If it gets there.

Nokia is not going to make money from MeeGo on the N900.. so they have 0 incentive to continue past the initial "good enough" stages. MeeGo already includes in it's multiple framework ideas Multi-Touch support as an integral piece of the UI.. so quite clearly the N900 is not the target.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@fatalsaint
btw.
Just before i make any post. Please remember that meego(or it´s components) is /are developed fully open so Nokia also provides code to upstream from where people can make their own packages back to non officially.

This has already been happening with maemo if you have read bugzilla reports where people have made their own packages to fix modest and hildon-desktop.

So i do not know what to say about this kind of support which comes around loop to users from Nokia. Its not official but it´s something.

.edit
Also it looks like we have bit different definitons for term dead.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

i hope you are not holding your breath on that this phone is dead

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

We agree on this. I'm not saying the N900 is going to die.. I am speaking specifically from a Nokia and official support perspective, which is important to consumers.

Hopefully, with MeeGo being as open as it is, the community WILL get MeeGo past Nokia's dropping off point, and into a very workable and formidable alternative (we should at least get flash, and OVI maps at that point)... but also remember: Several drivers for the N900 are closed source. I'm not saying this is Nokia's fault in that Nokia may/may not want to open the drivers, it very well could be the manufacturers fault, however it's Nokia's fault for using hardware that requires them to keep it closed.

In order to built a proper MeeGo right now for the n900 that won't cause issues and actually gets a nice UI - you have to download the build from an official nokia hosted code-drop. Not the general MeeGo download repo's. That is a key thing to remember.

Even if the community is able to extend MeeGo to a great working point on the N900: We can't be sure of a simple drop-in flash replacement image because of the closed hardware.

I could be wrong here .. and would need input from Stskeeps on that.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

For all its faults, and I will grant every one of them, Nokia still comes closest to providing a true, viable handheld computing experience. That in fact is likely one of the problems for the company: others have tried and failed. Nokia has screwed up on many fronts, but at least they're still trying to find a way to make a mobile computer work. That's why many in the community grit their teeth over missteps and keep trying.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Ehhhh I'd go with a yes and no.

The N900 is definitely the most desktop like device, if that's your definition of computing... but since Android now has Flash built-in to the browser and they also have java support (IIRC) - I think they have a slight edge on that now.

I really don't like flash.. but even I wind up at sites that give the infamous "You need to upgrade" message.. and many of them (browsers/android) allow you to change the browser's identification string to show a desktop browser and a lot of the websites will show in true desktop form.

So, while the N900's OS is the closest to a desktop, I think there's a slight edge for Android in providing a desktop-like web experience.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I don't think there's any company that provides hardware you see in current and future smartphones, tablets that have open drivers. In that case the alternative would be not to make the device at all...

Yeah..but as much as I love my computer in my pocket I am willing to sacrifice the computer aspect and get an Android smartphone if nobody else decides to join in on Meego. Surprisingly it isn't this whole issue that has me fed up with Nokia (though it's annoying how maemo gets kicked around). It's the continual refusal to acknowledge the USB port is an issue and to just fix it like Microsoft does for RROD.

Oh and they stiffed me the $50 they still owe me for the rebate.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Acceptable response.. but something to consider:

Look at the plethora of Android ROM's out there.. this could go to my total lack of understanding of the very very very low-levels of Android.. but how can they build ROM's for Devices without the drivers?

Now.. I'd understand if the core kernel/linux/drivers stay the same when you flash an android ROM and you just update the Davlik-Half-asked-sucky-Java VM on top.. but I don't think that's the case.

In my understand you are flashing a whole kernel and everything.. and the only thing any of the android guys have gotten in trouble for (to my knowledge) was Cyanogen distributing Google's stuff. So they have to be getting their drivers from somewhere..

(Although, and there's a caveat here: I do remember having to jump through hoops to update the radio on the G1 for things like the DANGER-SPL...)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Ovi Maps can't go in vanilla MeeGo (just as Google Maps can't go into plain Android, but it's a long story...). The point is that you can even open-source the code of the application and give it everybody, the actual product is the data, which is very heavily controlled, with Navteq/Teleatlas on the kill-switch. And data is super-expensive to obtain and keep up-to-date. Don't let the fact that you as a customer don't pay extra, it's just being financed by other means. Unless you're talking about Ovi Maps using openstreetmap as a back-end, but would you really trust that as reliable source for navigation ?

Just to correct a small misconception. Flash is technically not built-in to the browser. FroYo provides some extra hooks for it, but actual device-specific porting and certification is required, plus you need adequate distribution licenses from Adobe. The bottom line - Flash is not part of FroYo's browser but is supported by it. Why this nitpick ? Because it affects the support cycle - it's not Google's job to maintain Flash, so it will be interesting to see the future of Flash after FroYo.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Ok, I'll concede that point and it makes sense. Speaking currently though, any devices with Froyo and getting Froyo are expected to get Flash 10.1.. correct?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I'm just offering one rationale why some of us stick with this over-extended experiment.

But I'll confess here and now: I'm at my wit's end, too. At least as a Nokia employee I could act as a user advocate and had direct channels to those who could improve things; on the outside the best I can manage is as a community council rep, and despite serious effort on all of our parts we still struggle to improve Nokia-community communications, much less get a real seat at the table (blog article brewing).

There are plenty of times lately I'm ready to say "Screw it: Android is awesome. Time to move on." But as one of the original Internet Tablet team my stubborn pride keeps me doing what little I can to make this insanity sane.

Regardless, abject griping is a waste of everyone's time-- most especially the griper's. Amazes me that some can't see that.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I think most ROMs backup the kernel and drivers before flashing a new one. Not sure though.

Ah, but doesn't Nokia own one of those companies? I was thinking they could provide the maps for free then sell the data they get from it. Similar to how Google uses the data everyone sends them. I didn't realize Google Maps wasn't a part of plain Android though.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nope. Maps, Market, Voice, Sky Map, and several others are google proprietary apps. Those are what Cyanogen actually got into trouble for.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

There will be no major commercial support, maybe very small bugfixes here and there, but to Nokia the N900 is baggage they want to forget. Anyone disputing this has their head in the sand or are being willfully deceptive.

All major support will be community from now on, and of course by its nature community support is voluntary and free, so do not expect timely fixes or all projects to get finished - because at anytime community ppl with expertise can (and will) drop out of the picture. So its best to view any community efforts as a BONUS to what is available now.

so basically if you bought the n900 for support and are NOT happy with what the N900 is NOW, then SELL the N900 and get something else like andriod or iphone where there IS evidence of effort by compnaies to support such phones (unlike Nokia where the evidence is that Nokia wants to forget Maemo ASAP).

Otherwise you just waste your time, life is short as it is.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Just wondering, did anyone bother to ask what exactly what kind of commitment exists regarding the MeeGo hardware adaptation for Nokia N900, instead of guessing?

Let me draw out some phases of a hardware adaptation:

1) Optionally adapt the OS to your chipset (ARM, X86, MIPS, whatever) . This was done initially by a cooperative effort by the same team currently bringing you MeeGo to N900 (ever wondered why we're called #meego-arm ?), the LF guys and the Intel OS&release guys with some help and guidance.

2) Upstream kernel changes to Linux kernel as this is a requirement for inclusion in MeeGo kernel. This means that when a change breaks MeeGo kernel, it gets noticed and fixed

3) Port any hardware support bits (BME, 3d accelerator drivers, WiFi firmware). Make scripts that fix issues/add features specific to the device that would be different from the base system.

4) Testing, testing, testing. A large bunch of test cases is getting written, problems found in hardware adaptation.

5) Feature completion. All the code is there matching hardware capabilities and has to be maintained.

From there on, things follow the 'seasons' of MeeGo, check out the typical release timeline

The most important phase is the Intrusive Change Phase, where our world may be turned upside down. This is where resources are needed the most. Kernel developers for instance.

Next up is feature development, where a hardware adaptation team is not really doing much if it's already feature complete.

Then there's stabilization, fix bugs... and so on.

What I'm saying is, people are both overestimating and sometimes underestimating what it takes to maintain a hardware adaptation in MeeGo.

Rest of MeeGo will get developed for sure, I mean, it is supposed to be the basis of a large bunch of devices, including Nokia's. A hardware adaptation is what, less than 3% of the code in any given MeeGo N900 image? Rest of this comes directly from the MeeGo project. Core, Handset, and so on. Taking binaries directly.

We're trying hard in MeeGo for N900 to open up for others to help contribute, though we have difficulties at times, but try to lessen them. We're trying to do the hard initial work and work out what it takes to maintain things - including open sourcing key pieces.

It'd be stupid if we spent ages on making a proper hardware adaptation and then just let it to rot after MeeGo 1.1. A lot of QA time spent, developer time. Consider our work momentum to keep the ball rolling in the future - and to keep having momentum by maintaining this work.

Now, will you go test the development images (yes, we uploaded a MeeGo image), report the bugs in the images, submit merge requests to our scripts and code in the hardware adaptation or contribute to MeeGo in general or even discuss the work and direction? By having as many contributors now as possible, the faster we get the work done, including these early contributors becoming experts in 'MeeGo on N900', making them capable of maintaining things in the future.

Many of you succeeded in building own MeeGo N900 images using .ks'es. Congratulations - that's first step any team members who has been doing MeeGo on N900 have had to do. Now, what's your next move?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

IMO Android is not as awesome as some people think. There are WiFi connectivity issues across the board and the support from the android community is no where close to the quality that this community provides. HTC phone-in support has been apathetic and disinterested too.

Good luck with Android.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Expected (from major vendors), yes, guaranteed, no. Realistically, currently there is an armv7 target - for phones sporting these (CortexA8 base, Snapdragon), you'll very likely have Flash 10.1, but there is nothing saying you can't put FroYo on a different hardware base (X86, ARM11, whatever) in which case you're SOL with Flash, regardless of FroYo.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Are we looking at an 1.1 OS port release date possibly well before any official Meego device. Or will it have to be after its released?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

We follow MeeGo 1.1 release schedule and just started having our first weekly image published to the general N900-owning populace.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I see, some users will be thinking of a new device by then I reckon.

But:

Should mean that users should be clearer about its future. Thanks

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport for exact reports of what is different. These are development images. Sometimes Aava things are totally hosed, sometimes N900 images are totally hosed, sometimes they are equally screwed.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I have been going by what I see with my son and his Nexus One. I'm very impressed.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Nokia know full well that if other venders join the MeeGo bandwagon, then their job becomes a lot more competitive on that front. Nokia became complacent, they were top dog and didn't/don't put R&D or customer upgrade paths in the places where their customers really want it. This is something that will drastically alter their hand now with MeeGo. They will have to continually be the best to keep on top, Android and Apple aside.

Quim even mentioned something along these lines when there was a query about vendors mucking up MeeGo on their own devices. If you as a customer are not happy with the device, and see a better option from someone else, you'll go for it. This is extremely evident in the Android handset market and I'm sure Nokia are going to learn a great deal from them. With all the Android based devices out their the competition has really kicked off and customers will weigh up the benifits of one device over another. Hopefully this will happen with MeeGo and put back the competitive streak that Nokia have been missing the past 5 years.

Good luck Nokia, I really hope you're up to it.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

tswindell, that was one of the best posts I've seen on the subject.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Thank you for the link. I have yet (including the most recent build) been able to successfully connect to my WiFi using the UI that looks like it's supposed to work. I tried everything that they show in the Moorestown Video preview and almost every app either crashed, failed to launch, or didn't work right. I was talking with you the night I ended up being able to finally get my Wireless working by manually adding every command I needed to /etc/rc.local.. but even there it was extremely flakey. I have not tried all of these in the new build released yesterday(ish), I simply booted it, messed around for a few minutes, tried to get connected to wireless with the tool (which failed) and then rebooted.

I understand they are dev/alpha releases and things break. I'm a developer, I know this. The point is that at release there: a) was no N900/Arm capability at all.. there was a problem in the kernel or something that delayed it a day.. and b) was obvious that the Moorestown was more complete at that time.

Anyway, you focused on one very minor and specific point in my post that wasn't the overall point of where I was going. All of this is water under the bridge. The N900 is coming along, I'm sure it'll get to the point in the future to be functional. I know this.

The point is, well, further shown by you actually:

Tell me, why is that hosted at nokia.com? Why are those not hosted here?

Is there something special in them that only nokia.com can distribute? (rhetorical, obviously)

Ok then.. so with the official report from Nokia that the N900 will not be officially supported once MeeGo is stable/finished then how long can we expect to Nokia to maintain and get those proprietary components into community builds of MeeGo for our N900?

As I've said.. my points have all been related to Nokia's view of the N900 and so far everything we've seen/been told is that the N900 has no future in nokia. So why should I feel all warm and fuzzy that the only way I can build a workable image is from nokia.com?

Sorry that my post is a little over-combative.. I kinda took your post a little personally with the way it was presented, the challenge to "do something", and the repeated links to the MeeGo N900/ARM page that proves nothing at this stage of the game regarding how long Nokia is going to continue to care to distribute images for the N900 when all it is to Nokia is a money-hole since they won't be officially selling or distributed updates for existing and new users to the N900 when MeeGo is officially released.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I am really hoping others join the meego train for that reason. There are so many amazing android devices coming out now and I think a big part of is the competition is so intense that if your device is not of a very high standard it is likely to be completely ignored.

Personally I never want to buy another Nokia device (with them refusing to fix the usb port on my N900) but I am quite liking the idea of meego. Hoping for HTC to join the party. And Samsung who seem to have come along way since the horrible Samsung Tocco.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

It's simple really. The blobs I keep on referring to (wifi, bt, sgx) does not currently have licensing that allows us to distribute those blobs from repo.meego.com. Hence, those images containing them can't be there as well.

Hence we have to do our images outside the current release structure, but we follow them and QA considers our 'closed' images the ones to test.

(I'll read through rest of your post and answer, just wanted to answer this specific point as I had direct information, not speculation)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

If you want a breath of fresh air, go read some of the Dalvik documents here. This is a mature product that is probably getting better every day. It might not be someone's cup of tea, but it's impressive software and the docs are very well written.

Open source competition is good and the future looks bright.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Well, I do agree that Moorestown had more time to fix basic things as many things in MeeGo come from Moblin. I'm not sure what release you're referring to exactly.

If Handset day one, I'll state that I was on vacation at the time, following the chats through a J2ME IRC client, so I don't have the whole picture of what was going on there. Biggest problem with handset day one was that we were going to have this in the middle of the invasive changes period. Guess how difficult that is.

I've always understood (and get confirmed several times) that 'support' means that it isn't a Nokia productized OS. If we're looking away from all the shiny bits, it means in practice it won't be a firmware image that has gone through Nokia's extensive process for developing OS'es, roadmapping and updates, QA etc. And no phonecalls to Nokia support about it.

This does not mean no 'supporting' as in no resources thrown after it. This is obvious from anyone looking at how much effort is going into the MeeGo platform from Nokia's side. As well as the reference platform of N900.

Technically it's on repository.maemo.org the files, but :) (We are working so things are published from repo.meego.com instead. Things take time when there's legal aspects involved)

It doesn't, hence my first sentence about asking what kind of commitment actually exists. I'm just showing what is actually going on instead and what resources are being spent on N900 and how things will look like now, at 1.1, after 1.1, etc.

I'd be a lot happier man if we didn't have the blobs at all. My point was that they require little maintenance. And that the 'cost' of maintenance is less if there's also community people capable of lifting burdens together with us.

My main gripe is that people here complain more than contribute (and this obviously doesn't apply to Fatalsaint, who is contributing in many different ways). More work, less talk.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Those closed source, proprietary applications riding atop the open MeeGo stack will really be critical then, eh?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Definitely, even though I'm a developer, from a consumer perspective the closed apps available on the device are extremely important. Obviously I want upgradable firmware and apps which is something we're currently missing in Maemo at the moment.

Also, in response to the post about Nokia providing maps free for MeeGo, well, I don't think that'll happen, becuase that is a weapon Nokia can use against other possible vendors. On the other hand if they want high adoption of the MeeGo platform from other vendors then they'll have to supply it to make it more of a competition to Android. They don't do this for Symbian and look at the other Symbian based handset vendors.

So we'll see. Without license fees there's no insentive for Nokia to provide a mapping framework for MeeGo. I don't think they'll see my previous comment about competition being good for them as I do, but, I truely do believe that competition will help, indeed force them, to become greater than they are now.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Every OS has their problems. And I thought there are dedicated Android communities?

I think the only problem the Nexus One had was the TMobile 3G problem (well and Google's lack of customer support out of e-mail). But overall Google shows Nokia how you do a development device (the Nexus One is the developer phone of choice for Google).

Currently the other hardware vendors are using Android (which likely comes with Google Maps). So their current problem is not a weapon that makes their platform unique, but rather they have nobody using their platform. So holding a card that makes a Nokia Meego device more unique than a X Meego device doesn't make sense when X Meego device doesn't exist. And when you have a greater competitor that's grabbing more and more manufacturers.

If Nokia doesn't get other manufacturers to use their OS then they are going lose to the Android flood. They don't even have the user following nor the customer satisfaction that keeps Apple strong.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I dont participate in thiese threads in general - but do read it and one thing I have realized after quite a few reads of the forums lately ..

Just as you measure the trend of any product or the economy not by looking only at certain pre-defined factors but by the general
movement of the mass population - The MARKET - in other terms,

in the same way I see that by the number of posts in general that complain of issues and lack of an upgrade path (official) and other issues - I get the feel that the "Market" says that the N900 has not been so successfull in an overall sense.

Also dissing what the market says is not a good way to measure which way the market moves.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

This was actually all I was getting at.

Yes. I was really put off on Day 1 and I think the grudge has sort of distanced me more than I had originally intended.

I really did want to delve into MeeGo and really start into something big.. but when I looked at the massive difference in functionality between the intel dev platform, vs the nokia dev platform.. it really struck a nerve. I guess I just haven't moved over that hump just yet.

Here's my question. It's simply bad business (IMHO) to put money into a project that you get nothing back from. Nokia is not going to be pushing MeeGo on the N900.. they are not going to be selling "more" N900's promising MeeGo on the N900.. they are not doing anything to get any new userbase to the platform. This to me, implies clearly, that they consider the N900 to be over. So why would they continue to expend resources to it?

I know that a dev platform has to work and function in order to properly develop on it, but it doesn't have to be polished or bugfixed. Once it gets to a certain level of acceptability then I foresee the amount of dedicated resources that you are talking about dwindling drastically, to a virtual non-existence by the time the first devices are out. In the meantime, the only thing of major note that the N900 received since launched and through the foreseeable future was QT via PR1.2.

This, among the other reasons I've stated, is why I believe there are so many people feeling abandoned, and refer to the N900 as a dead platform. And in this, I can't disagree with them. I have my own reservations, as I expressed, about the future - even of MeeGo - because of those hardware components and the legal issues you are referring to. As long as Nokia holds the chains on those (whether they want to or not is not my point) - then when Nokia leaves the platform MeeGo will be that much more difficult, or suddenly need to be made illegal, to port any of the newer community builds or future MeeGo versions because the "blobs", as you call them, can no longer be obtained from Nokia.

This is true, but it's also not surprising and to be expected since this moved from a techie/geek forum to a more user-based forum. Users tend to want to feel safe, secure, and know that their purchase was worth their hard-earned money. They don't usually want to work on their phone they just want to use it. Unfortunately, the impression left by all this debacle from Nokia has left them feeling they've wasted money, were duped, scammed, etc.

Users want someone knowledgeable to tell them that there 100% for certain is a future here with their phone to a level that equals that of the competitors (android and iphone) - and nobody here can say that with any amount of certainty because it's too early to tell with MeeGo, and Nokia refuses to acknowledge any of this or us. The longer that goes on, the more negativity and hatred just festers. This is simply natural.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@nilchak
Do you think that TMO users represent next meego device's main market? What market do you think that TMO mainly represents? What kind of people read gadget blogs and comment on those? Are those people the main market?

One thing I know. None of my friends do those things and I know that next phone they are going to buy is probably mobile device with upgradable OS (Do they care that it´s upgradable? NO). But what it is? I really do not exactly know. Probably depends on marketing, not reviews and market trend in Internet :|

Or maybe they ask me :|

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

@fatalsaint
Btw. You might be missing one thing when you are saying N900 is bad investment for Nokia. IIRC N95 has gone to developing market. Could N900 have place in that market?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I suppose? I'm unfamiliar to what you really mean there.. but it certainly sounds like that could be the case if there such a place for mobile phones?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

n900 is already trying to be flogged to developing countries like India.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Have to link this page here. Probably you have already read it completely:
http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...it_a_phone_.3F

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yes I've read that page.. I can't say I agree with some of it. I mean really, it wasn't advertised to users that way.. it was mentioned at a conference, IIRC, and those of us on here knew what it was.. but there are a crapload of users of the N900 that even now still have no idea about a step 4 out of whatever.. or even what the first 3 steps were..

So, they really failed hard at that, IMHO, if they didn't want general users buying the phone.