Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Meego isn't a development platform, and while Maemo used to be (which was a disadvantage to some extent), it isn't really anymore. The development platform for both (and Symbian as well) is Qt.

Why not? As long as Nokia makes the process for deploying apps to Ovi store (and/or other repositories) easy enough for developers (which seems to be the case with multi-target support in Qt Creator), applications developed for Nokia/Ovi should be available for all supported devices.

So far the statement is that Nokia will not provide a "supported" image of Meego for N900. That does not mean that there can't be a "finished, polished, stable release of Meego for N900". Nokia employees have stated on this forum that they may be able to provide Nokia applications for Meego on N900 which would allow the completion of a Meego image with handset UX and Nokia apps.


The screenshots I have seen of Ovi maps on N8 look exactly like Ovi maps on my Nokia N900. I suspect this version of Ovi maps (which looks radically different from Ovi Maps for Series60) is built on Qt, and will be available on Symbian and Maemo/Meego, and I am hoping for an update to Ovi Maps with voice guidance shortly after N8 ships ...

I don't think you can make that analogy, and Meego is the future anyway. You may be able to make the reverse analogy with Meego and Android ...

Why not? The platform isn't Maemo or Meego, but Qt, which exists on all currently supported Nokia smart devices.

Is the N900 as functional as other Nokia alternatives? My E75 has much fewer apps, gets almost no updates (and certainly doesn't do it directly over-the-air), and is hugely inferior to my N900 for listening to podcasts, viewing large web paegs, but they are of similar price. Should Nokia not have sold the E75?

Note that Nokia doesn't market the N900 as a phone, but as a mobile computer that can make phone calls. I have seen people who are unaware of this with an N900, but they didn't seem to think it was a bad phone.

I see no obstacle to it getting to step 5, but it depends on exactly what step 5 is. If step 5 is full HD video over HDMI, then I guess no ...

I bought my N900 2 months ago (though I had it for about a week, then let my wife take it for 4 weeks while she traveled, and have only had it back again for about 3 weeks), shortly after it became available in Africa. I know a number of people in other African markets who will take the N900 as soon as their contract renewals come up (N900 is now offered by a number of carriers in South Africa, as of August).

On receiving it I immediately upgraded my phone (I think it told me there was an update, so I let it do its thing), upgraded Ovi Suite, loaded some maps on my phone, and then left for the airport for a 1-week visit to my home country. I was very happy with it just like that, especially skype, gtalk IM, facebook IM etc. allowed me to stay in contact much more easily than before. While traveling, I did install some apps from Ovi, but didn't get around to trying the app manager (which I only did about 3 weeks ago after getting it back).

I haven't had an android phone or an iPhone, but my colleague who has had an iPhone and currently has an Android phone has:
-spent about a week trying to root his Android phone and make it a mobile hotspot, while I just installed mobilehotspot and rootsh from the app manager and rebooted
-said he will probably need to buy an app to monitor his 3G data usage (where my N900 does it for me out-the-box)

I have been very happy with:
-gpodder + FM transmitter
-Skype, gtalk, facebook integration
-Web browser, and availability of firefox/fennec
-Xterminal and ssh (haven't tried vnc and rdesktop much)
-mobilehotspot (+kernel)

I struggled a bit setting up Mail for Exchange, but that's probably due to our MS shop guys doing things in weird ways, my colleague using Android also had similar problems ....

I have a 4GB sdhc card ready and waiting for Meego Handset UX release in October, which I will dual-boot and, depending on how much functions, use as much as I can.

The only thing I would like to see from Nokia which is not a given is a cross-platform Ovi suite in Qt, available for Mac and Linux.

What Nokia themselves need to do is improve the Ovi store, and consider selling content to other platforms. I would really like to be able to get more content legally over the internet (being in deep-dark africa means the only content you can buy on the street is pirated anyway), whether music to listen to on N900, or videos to watch on xbmc or stream from xbmc to the N900.

Anyway, I don't see a need for endless whining threads. The statements we have had from Nokia so far are relatively clear, their strategy (Qt) is quite sound, and they have provide us with one of the least restricted and most functional devices, in many more countries than Google's Nexus One. It is a pity that they were late to the market, and I hope more handset manufacturers look at Meego as an option, but I don't see what you think Nokia should do differently. Should they compromise Meego by spending more time getting new features into Maemo (when the hardware won't cut it compared to other platforms for much longer)?

I would much prefer to see more positive threads, such as people hacking on Meego, seeing whether existing Maemo apps run on Meego without much more than a recompile, testing how uploading packages to repositories works etc., so that day one of a Meego handset release comes with a working app manager with our favourite apps.

Unfortunately, I already do way too much open-source stuff, so my time for Meego is a bit limited at the time, so I will wait for a ready-built Meego image myself.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Can you give us a reference?

I would like to evaluate a credibility of that source.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

It is not really whining. It is saying it as it is. Sure, I can watch TV if I jiggle a bit. I can get skype, with delays and limited video capability which cuts out after a minute due to issues with mobile bandwidth. Out of my ubuntu & Win7 laptops via a WiFi mobile broadband router, the n900 was the only one that got me watching the programs I wanted to see.

I would like to be able to use the n900 with maps to navigate. Not a big deal.

M.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The question asked and answered in the thread to which you linked was, effectively:

It's a bit of a jump to take that as saying MeeGo will never be stable on the N900. "Polished", and even more so "finished", can be tough terms to reach consensus on in relation to software products, and I've no interest in debating the placement of those goalposts here. MeeGo Core and the Handset UX are clearly under active development though, and the publicly stated goal of those doing the work is to turn out a usable, high quality product.

The coming months will reveal the outcome of the project, and in the end, each N900 owner will need to decide whether MeeGo for the N900 meets his or her standards of stability, polish, completeness, and suitability. No matter what, I feel I can safely predict that some users will proclaim MeeGo on the N900 superior to Maemo 5, while others decry it as sorely lacking. And why not? We already have a diverse community with members who feel Maemo reached its peak of suitability to their needs at every point from OS2006 on the 770 to Maemo 5 on the N900.

The one piece we know for sure will always be missing from MeeGo on the N900 is official support. So, no seamless OTA upgrade from Maemo to MeeGo that preserves all your data, and no help from Nokia Care when MeeGo on your N900 somehow deletes the best 12 GB of your prized collection of funny cat photos.

That's another piece each N900 owner will need to weigh as he or she decides whether to make the jump or stay with Maemo.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I've had iPhones and Blackberrys and numerous Nokia phones, and the only device which comes close to how *I* want my device to be, is the Nokia N900. For me its also the closest any smartphone on the market gets to being a decent usable reliable working telephone.

Yes its not perfect, but its the beginning [i think] of how devices should and will be and its nice to feel like the owner of something I've bought and its super special to have this lovely real community to talk and share and not some ibull5hit ipropaganda itype iforum where negative comments are deleted and problems are denied.

Its just a truly awesome platform and the device has yet to really dissapoint me at all. Nokia need to improve and replicate this, as its really the key to happy customers who will like the company and remain loyal.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Question:

"At this date (02 sept 2010) is it possible that there will be a full and operational MeeGo version for our Nokia N900 ?"

Not "is", but "will be".

Reply:

"If it means to have a working touch graphical interface that is stable and feature complete, with telephony stack, efficient web browser and base applications the answer is no."

In the country I am in, if somebody asks if something will happen (future tense), and the answer is no, that means it won't happen. The country I am in is England, and this is where I learned English, as I was born and raised here - and we came up with the language. Next week the country I will be in will be New Zealand, and I believe this linguistic feature applies there too.

Mish.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

That reply didn't come from someone within the MeeGo N900 team and is wildly inaccurate.

Our current images has a working touch graphical interface, bugs still remaining to be ironed out (we are in feature freeze so that's normal). Telephony stack works but not integrated (I made a audio call using it and sent an SMS). People who can generate own images can get an image with telephony stack active. Web browser is Fennec-qt (2.0) but doesn't start currently (getting looked into). Has worked fine in the past. Base applications exist too.

It's not all gloom and doom, you know. And there's always MeeGo 1.2 to improve things. We don't just leave when it is october, you know :)

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Why all this fuss about Meego...its yet to come out and just because its new release software doesnt automatically mean it will be better...so its entirely possible that Maemo will still be better, preferred by users / developers....

Dont panic is the message!

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

A lot of people act as if Maemo will self destruct once Meego is out.

Look, Maemo is an open platform and works pretty well now. If Nokia would officially kill off Maemo, nothing would change this. Your phone will still work the way it does now. People will still use it, and the community will not go a way in a single day. Relax and enjoy that we will have the option of running Android, Maemo and Meego on our phones.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

And hopefully ubuntu and debian in some ways.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I doubt that. All the work that intel and nokia put into this...do you really think it will be not as good as maemo? come come now.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I was just about to grab some hope and then WHAM! straight in the plumbing :)

And I wanted to answer to a single person, but so many of you posted the same stuff I can't decide who to quote. So, to everyone who thinks Maemo will be enough, hum on, etc: No it won't.

I want to rename labels on numbers, and by gosh I will if it's the last thing I do. If not by this OS, then by the next. And if that can't the next device with the next OS that can offer me this simple yet critical feature. It matters, contrary to what Nokia thinks if I call a person at home or at work, or if I call him on the company. And I'm not about to have 23 different entries for Jeff the way it worked back in the 12-char SIM-bound days.

I want a phone that doesn't stutter, I want conference.

Some things are critical to me, and considering I could get a small second hand car for what N900 costs (or fill its tank, but not both), I want them.

If MeeGo has them, then no, Maemo will not keep on humming, as it will become obsolete by comparison.

And since they say that most apps will run on MeeGo (with a little modification), when why the heck would anyone stay behind, fighting old bugs, with no end in sight?

I've thought of dual-booting, but I know what will happen. Every time I upgrade my OS, I always dual-boot, just in case something doesn't work. And every time I realize it's simply easier to let go than to reboot to check your messages.

Heck, at the very least, the rootfs problem will go away when I boot and run off my SD. And with SD, I can even upgrade my card speed, upgrade the hardware.

I can't imagine a decent percentage of people wanting to say behind unless MeeGo has some huge, earth-shattering showstopper issue.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

A decent mapping application is essential, as ovi maps just sucks - big time..
The other thing needed is 3rd part dev support. How many times do you see a web site that has mobile apps to download, but only for Apple, Android, WM or Rim - Thats why I hope Meego is a massive success and people start developing for it, then we all gain..

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Welcoming to New Zealand bro!
Don't go to christchurch, there have been an earth quake 7.1 on the richter scale yesterday, and a sky diver plane crashed killed 9 people. Stay north if you can :)

MeeGo or NooGO as long there is a platform for N900 to be able to move on to. More good games and apps are all we want.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Maybe the fact is I cant see what else I'd want from a device...

From my point of view, at least, Maemo seems like a perfectly decent OS and I see no reason to change to something else just because its newer, unless I have a valid real need to do so. Plus it shouldnt be assumed newer software is better...there are many examples out there where it isnt:D

Come come now...:cool:

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Very interesting looking through this thread now after 6 month seems i was either pushed into the future or seen a Nokian ghost haha.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Just goes to show just how people had there hopes on Meego , alas it is not to be. well not right now thats for sure.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Here is one typical comment on this thread.

Better eat your words now aye.

The more i re-read this thread omg.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

That is a pretty piss-poor example for you, given that it has already pretty much already shown to be true. PR 1.3 is here, the CSSU is pushing out community supported further releases of Maemo 5, there's at least one community supported MeeGo project underway...

Who should be eating their words?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

and if i ask today what will be future of n900 from now???

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

When i see a WORKING Meego OS from THIS community i will eat my words... this is now how long since the N900 has been out ? and how long since the last so called crap update from Nokia for the N900?.

I am talking about a PROPER functional either Meego or Maemo from just about ANYONE and NOT a non working excuse for an OS.

I can put together an Meego OS using c++ but i will guarentee you it will no way be satisfactory !.

Now come back to me when any of those have been accomplished ok.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Yes very very valid point !!! and one i dont really think needs an answer.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

The truth is nobody can put together a fully working OS of any kind for the N900 simple because it is not yet if ever 100% open.

EDIT NB. Only one company can do this and that is of course Nokia BUT........

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but TMO is currently funded by Nokia ?

If Nokia pulls TMO funding, the repositories goes down, and the n900 will in practice get no future support, community or otherwise ?

Unless someone sets up a backup repository ? but afaik no one has done that currently?

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

This community holds the key to the future of maemo & n900.

Well, a big chunk of it.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I agree totally with you ysss BUT it also needs every component to be open sourced by Nokia.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Does that mean our n900's future is now depends only on this community?????

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Ahh how we have missed you abill_uk. Maemo is a fully functional "proper" OS already. If it isn't working for you, then PEBKAC.

Now come back to me when you are ready to contribute something to the community instead of just demanding things from others.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

I was quite p'd off when I heard the news last week, but having digested it, I'm feeling more optimistic. Several phone manufacturers have offered a choice of interface for their phones - Windows or Android, Symbian or Android. This choice means users get to choose what they use with their phone. If we aspire to any form form of freedom, offering consumers a choice can only be a positive - even if that choice is between closed and open systems.

So, I see no reason why Nokia should not opt for a third system to offer to consumers that sits between the reality of an OS developed from one used in personal organisers in the last century and an OS based on Linux. Given the time it has taken to get functioning products to market, I don't blame them for seeking a short-term fix that will help them maintain some of their market share.

At the same time, I see no reason why they would not maintain ongoing development on their Linux-based system. They could even offer four variations for their phones if they wanted, by including Android; at the moment they are aiming to offer a range from the most basic phones to smart mobile tablets - Symbian -> WP7 -> MeeGo. Most people just want a phone (Symbian), many now want a smarter phone (WP7), but those wanting a small mobile computer-phone or tablet will hopefully still be able to get MeeGo.

And those of us with an n900 may still get to see some benefits trickling down as a result of this. I'd still like to be able to use the n900 as a SatNav in New Zealand, have Flash 10, and run a form of OpenOffice under Maemo, amongst other things - but, hey, it works, and it runs Stellarium mobile, and still does most things I want.

Mish.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Dreamer eh .

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Sure as hell looks that way untill Intel come up with a working version of Meego as they will have the closed source wrapped up unlike this community !.

Re: What is the future for the n900 from now? meego or no updates or nothing?
 

Wasn't he nominated for a comic relief award? That's added value right there. You simply don't appreciate the effort it takes to post in trifectas, three in number in 24 hours. The balance alone is admirable.

Ungrateful people like you ruin all the momentum this community has gained towards becoming comic relief for upset users.

Keep it up and soon our bridges will be empty.