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HellFlyer 2010-08-06 05:49

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 777380)
thanks for making this forum miserable place for the rest of us.

just **** off, I got (again) too tired to this piece of sh...

..and because you idiots don't know how to leave, I'll have to do it.

Yes I admit you won. Congrats....

So you're leaving forum because of abill_uk ?

bayernhan 2010-08-06 06:08

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
did anyone get a response

i asked how do we know that the n9 would not be abondened by nokia in 4 months after release like it was with the n900 and also said if nokia contiues on getting a new phone every 6 months and lack of updates consumer loyalty will decrease

fatalsaint 2010-08-06 06:16

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 777378)
I'm not gonna defend Savander's evasion in the slightest. I made that very clear in a previous post in the thread (or thought I did). I'm just wryly commenting that maybe people's expectations were unreasonable considering the crap we've already been dealt. That and I have long been in alignment with the Dilbertesque view of marketing.

Ok.. I may have been a little over the top with that ;).

It was your sarcasm that kind of threw me off I think.. "a marketing guy stuck to the script!".. I mean, I do see the humor in it of course.. it's just in this specific instance either the marketing guy.. or the script.. simply sucked .. back-side.

fatalsaint 2010-08-06 06:20

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 777383)
That's fair. I have a lot of Adobe folks I follow because of prior interaction with them on Flash, Flex, Flash Catalyst, Creative Suite (beta testing) whatnot.

I follow a rather small set of folks, the people that follow me... they endure my rants about everything.

I pity them.

Ok, and this is fine. I mean I do completely understand that twitter has been adopted. Now, just because it makes no sense to me why it was adopted.. it has been.

Therefore if people have a specific reason to use it... fine, so be it. Your favorite idol is on it? Great, your job collaborates on it? Great... It's popular now and not a surprise..

It's just for me.. I have no reason to use it. I have not found any hole in my life that twitter is the proper fit for just yet. That is the only point I've been trying to make.. I am not saying everybody else should go cancel their twitter account and boycot social networking.. I just said it wasn't for me.

I am still perplexed at the sarcasm I was given for that.. (not from you, gerbick.)

slender 2010-08-06 06:21

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 776876)
Texrat please understand we got many many N900 owners really REALLY peed off with Nokia and somehow need to vent... that is not trolling it is pure frustration !.

Then please vent here:
http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...ces/bd-p/maemo
http://conversations.nokia.com/
Or twitter

Also i would like to remember you:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56702

And moderators please could you even try to give some hints to users to STFU and try to steer conversation to non trolling.

fatalsaint 2010-08-06 06:23

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Originally Posted by slender (Post 777416)
And moderators please could you even try to give some hints to users to STFU and try to steer conversation to non trolling.

If they did I guarantee the rants would just shift from nokia bashing to screaming at the moderators through several dozens of threads claiming that they are being anti-free-speech, anti-internet, draconic, and guarantee the inevitable "apple" analogy will crop up, end of the world as we know it, sacrifice animals, and punch a baby remarks would ensue shortly there-after.

This goes into the lose-lose part of forum management.

gerbick 2010-08-06 06:24

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint (Post 777415)
I am still perplexed at the sarcasm I was given for that.. (not from you, gerbick.)

Yeah, I saw it. And when you explained it, I understood it clearly. I never signed up for MySpace, recently killed my Facebook account, and use Twitter to avoid a lot of communication of folks asking me about the newest gadget or handset or some AS3 question or news article.

I totally get your point. Not everything is for everybody. The sarcasm tossed at you; I didn't understand it either.

Stay strong. Don't fall into the Twitter trap.

gerbick 2010-08-06 06:29

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Okay, to go back to topic here...

Am I the only person that finds it weird that the Nokia dude is putting so much faith into the N8, but it represents the last Symbian N-series phone. It's like putting faith into the last standing pair of dodo birds... that happen to both be male.

If they're this vocal about the N8, and they continue down this path of non-vocal behind the upcoming MeeGo series as they were with the N900, what kind of conflicted message does that really send?

fatalsaint 2010-08-06 06:35

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 777424)
Okay, to go back to topic here...

Am I the only person that finds it weird that the Nokia dude is putting so much faith into the N8, but it represents the last Symbian N-series phone. It's like putting faith into the last standing pair of dodo birds... that happen to both be male.

If they're this vocal about the N8, and they continue down this path of non-vocal behind the upcoming MeeGo series as they were with the N900, what kind of conflicted message does that really send?

Well but wait.. rewind time a bit. They used to be pretty hyped up and excited about Maemo, too! And though I realize the N900 didn't get much push, it WAS talked up around launch IIRC - and it was continued to be toted the second to last step of a great mass-market device.

Now.. you know Intel and Nokia were in talks before even the N900 was released. I mean, these are two giants of corporations here. They don't do anything without.. well..

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without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.
So here they were talking up the N900, knowing full well that it's lifetime was very limited. And now still, they are/will be pushing the new Harmattan device even though (and they'd never admit it, of course) it's already, before release, built on an outdated/dead platform just because they don't want to lose the money they've already put into developing it.

Anyway.. the point of all of this can easily be summed up:

"That's just par for the course for Nokia."

JulmaHerra 2010-08-06 07:06

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 777424)
Okay, to go back to topic here...

Am I the only person that finds it weird that the Nokia dude is putting so much faith into the N8, but it represents the last Symbian N-series phone. It's like putting faith into the last standing pair of dodo birds... that happen to both be male.

If they're this vocal about the N8, and they continue down this path of non-vocal behind the upcoming MeeGo series as they were with the N900, what kind of conflicted message does that really send?

N8 is first and last Symbian^3 device for N-series. They are not going to ditch Symbian completely, as far as I remember, Vanjoki said that it is very likely that we will see Symbian^4 devices in N-series in the future.

In my opinion, every device we buy is going to lose support in the long run. Symbian^3 will be around for short while and then replaced with Symbian^4, but afterall, we have not seen a single Symbian device that can be updated with new version of Symbian OS. Symbian^4 devices are about one year ahead (plus delays), so it gives N8 reasonable time to be on the market, this time being "one of a kind." Fact is, Nokia simply cannot stick with S60 for one additional year waiting to jump straight to Symbian^4. Qt will bring at least some backwards compatibility, so N8 might be actually a good buy if you don't want to wait for MeeGo to be available for our N900's or pay higher price for new MeeGo-device. At least if software doesn't suffer too many problems.


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