Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

There's actually a post stating that???

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

So easy to armchair quarterback. To call names. To lay blame. To ignore effort and accomplishment.

So much more difficult to work one's *** off in such an apparently thankless position.

You think you're disappointed when council efforts come to nothing, silvermountain? Try putting in the hours I have. Try putting together a community outreach program and, just as you gain momentum after hours and hours and hours of design, review and discussion, the very reason for it disappears. Try writing and maintaining a blog partially dedicated to the community and having to stay on top of it to delete the juvenile nastygrams left by anonymous cowards. Try countless emails about community issues to various executives with no replies.

Try bending over backwards for myriad members of a community, some of whom leave petty, churlish posts like yours here as a "reward" for the effort.

As a community leader, council member or otherwise, I have gone to bat for this place and its people-- including you in all your nasty ingratitude. I was the one staying after work to dig through spare N800 parts, slicing my fingers on faceplates in the process, and mailing them out free to anyone who asked. I was the one who put my job at risk, angering people like Quim by challenging the tablet program to do better by the community. I'm the one enduring all the grief that malcontents like you dish out at a distance, in such cowardly fashion, because I'm stupid enough to care about people I'll never meet.

And that goes for every council member who's ever served.

Unstructured? Maybe to the anal retentive. Incompetent? An ironic assessment. Powerless and ineffective? Sure, at times. But only a complete idiot would confuse Nokia's monolithic resistance to change with the fault of five community people who care enough to devote their free time to that "futility".

What have YOU done?

Unbelieveable.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

You are kidding right?
Please tell me you are kidding.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Right so now, again, we're back to stuff we can't really do much about.

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Look, to everyone arguing that complaining here does you good.. No, it doesn't! If you have something new that you don't think the council hasn't already pressed several times already.. then post. However, a liason between two entities can only do any good when both sides listen. In this case.. one side is largely ignoring several problems hoping that if they pretend it doesn't exist.. it'll just go away.. and that is not the council's fault.

Effectively.. Nokia has won though. They took this site, financed it, and then gave it to a "community" so you guys all bunched together on a forum to whine and complain and then they can conveniently ignore you. See how nicely that played out?

If you want to do something.. do as someone else suggested - gather as a group and mass email Nokia and blogs and make a difference.

This site is community-driven. The vast majority of people here participate on their free time, without getting paid. What we can try and help you with.. is applications you feel you're missing or (some) behavior you may want to change on your phone.

What we cannot help you with... is your daddy issues. Sure.. we have a Mommy (Council) here.. but when Dad's deaf and Mom doesn't speak Sign Language then what good is repeating yourself over and over again?

Anyone know the quote? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." We're playing it out well here..

ETA:

Texrat...
http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/photos/Hugs.jpg

:D

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

the way some people defend nokia here does indicate that.

sometimes its better to copy a working scheme than to create a new one that has flaws.
i dont think anybody unappreciates what nokia tried with the n900, especially the ones in this community that are fond maemo/linux, but whats the price of it?

i mean, what would happen if apple dismissed their iphone 4 tomorrow? rest assure, hell's gonna break loose.

what would nokia do if the n900 had the iphone 4's problem? put on their coolface and ignore it?

if the council reported stuff to nokia and if nokia reacted to issues the community points out, then the council wouldnt need to press "something" several times.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Can you show me?

Indicate? He said people have excused Nokia for not supporting the product. Forget indicate, that's subjective. What posts?

We report every major community issue to Nokia. Usually ad nauseum. I'm still trying to understand how Nokia's resulting inaction is our fault. Help me out.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

What surprised me was the amount of users/fanboy's saying they broadly agreed with Qwerty12's grievances despite showing no signs of it on previous threads (quite the opposite in fact).

Would have cut short alot of arguments on other threads.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

Dude I respect you and all you have done for this community, but are you telling me that you need an official post, announcement, open letter or Nokia's CEO to make a public statement to realize that Nokia just doesn't care about the N900 anymore?

Unless you know something that no one else here knows...

I have always defended the N900 and Maemo, but after being kicked in the nut sack a few times by Nokia, I am not going to give them another chance.

Edit:
Texrat, I think you are taking this too personally.
I am not attacking you or anyone else here, just Nokia.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

That wasn't what you said. I'm responding to your specific words.

Re: BYE BYE N900 - Sad day Nokia!
 

True.. and again.. the fault here lies with, who? exactly?

I don't know if you meant me.. but one thing I can offer:

Some of us don't see the point in constantly complaining about **** we can't change.. so we work on the projects we're involved in and make our devices as much what we want them to be as we can.

Just because someone doesn't flood every thread going "Gosh, Nokia Sucks!" doesn't make them a fanboy. Same goes for just because someone says "That's not actually Nokia's fault".. because not everything can be blamed on someone else.