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Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 789293)

?, !.

This is really beginning to bug me now.

Punctuation marks are not followed by a punctuation mark!

Notice the lack of a full stop/period there? Well that's because it is not necessary as the exclamation point indicated the end of a sentence.

If you've been a hardware engineer for over 25 years, that would lead me to believe that you are at least 41 years old.
It really surprises me that a middle aged (sorry if this is wrong, it is an estimation) man, who clearly speaks English fairly well does not know/adhere to common punctuation practices. Something even non-native English speakers seem to comprehend.

This is not an attack, merely an observation and statement of the fact.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 789297)

Closed source, means, the source code for their binaries are not available, it has nothing to do with encryption. They compile the source and give us the binaries. There is no encryption. Now, can you answer my question? I'm not going to continue to try and help you if you just ignore it...

Read my previous post ! the FULL OS including drivers open sourced and readable,

I think you need to explain just where the drivers are because they are closed source and the only way for them not to be within the updates is for them to be already installed on the mb somewhere and that is not going to be the case on the N900.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

Fair enough, it's Ramadan - I'm fasting and not at my best.
But I started reading this thread, by the end of it I don't know what it's about - or frankly care.
Can't we just terminate it and end the pointless CO2 emissions?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by imperiallight (Post 788319)

And there lies the crux of it, most of us end users don't want to and shouldn't have to depend solely on non commercial developers. We should have the opportunity to buy apps created by teams of paid developers. The device itself should be looked to be improved by Nokia so as to be competitive. The community is a bonus and they don't owe anybody anything. Other devices have community hackers and scripters too though.

I know you understand this. And to some extent, us end users should "get over it and face reality". We got screwed during the limited lifespan of the n900. And the next device by being immediately cross compatible with symbian apps and with a bigger Nokia expenditure and focus will probably be better.

I don't think its right that annoyed users bring everyone else down, especially not developers and happy users but I do think they should have an area to vent, give feedback and criticism. Perhaps a debate and discussion area should be made and users can opt out of them appearing on their feed.

You know what? I completly understand that. And I think it's messed up that Nokia continues to mess up over and over. But for people to take their anger, annoyance, whatever at Nokia out on the community just destroys whatever chance they have left for their device to get any support. Kinda like Stskeeps' point below.

Anyway I hope that Nokia at bare minimum will ensure that we have some compatibility with QT (even if we don't have multi-touch or whatever). Not all apps need multi-touch.

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 789224)

Personally, I think most of the people who were able to do anything has jumped ship (as in off talk.maemo.org/maemo.org) already, not completely unrelated to all the idiotic threads now here, instead of constructive ones..

I'm personally amazed that anyone even continues to come here anymore with the decline of the forums. There are better ways of communication out there that doesn't involve a poor signal to noise ratio.

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Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 789302)

Yeah, you're skirting the issue as usual. You want something just say and maybe we can move forward. Talking about how everyone, in an ideal world wants everything open is just ridiculous. Do you even know why you want _all_ the components opened?

Probably because he thinks everything will be solved the moment things are open sourced. Which isn't the case. Heck I think hildon-desktop is open source now, why doesn't everyone complaining about how hildon-desktop wasn't open source fix it (if it is open source now?).Though I'm one of those people who believe in open sourcing everything (mainly for transparency).

And personally an abandoned project with open source code is better than an abandoned project with no open-source code (abandoned as in Nokia in the future has no future plans for support). At least you have a starting point (whether it be learning how it works yourself, hiring a developer to do it for you, etc..)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 789312)

What don't you understand about what I've said? Obviously the drivers are on the device. Otherwise the device wouldn't work. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Which drivers do you need openned for your USB OTG hack?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 789294)

Many people not just me want the FULL OS in a open source fashion including every single driver.

And do you want to know what I want? Yes! people want things and companies and stock holders want things? Surprised?

Dear...Of course everyone here would like to see everything opened. Why should we even talk about it? Waste of time IMO. Do you think that someone disagrees with that? There is one thread about licensing maemo stuff and you can go there and have conversation and vote licensing requests on bugzilla. Then again if you read it you can see that even qgil is on meego-meego-meego "drive mode".

So weird that you seem to be quite illiterate when we are speaking about stuff happening around maemo considering how much you spend your time here do you have just trouble understanding what people write here? I do not know how to say this and this can not be said in nice way but do you have some sort of dyslexia? I´m not sarcastic or anything else here. I´m just little worried.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

Here we go again with the abuse, i am outa here ! just wasting my time.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 789334)

Here we go again with the abuse, i am outa here ! just wasting my time.

You're not helping yourself or this thread by being over sensitive and ignoring my questions. I'm trying to help you. I've asked you the same question about 5 times now, you're obviously not actually interested ... So it seems you've actually been wasting all of our time ... Again ...

/me sighs

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

I look forward to humble pie when PR 1.3 is the last one. It took ages for 1.2 and 1.3 is due on that time scale to be well after Meego is live. The support department for Nokia are not doing anything for the N900, what is there that the community hasn't already struggled with a workaround for. And Nokia seem content to keep half written and Beta software working than fix it. I use OVI store as the prime example.

I do still find the comments funny that think Nokia support Maemo NOW, never mind stopping it in the future. They certainly DON'T support the N900 if OVI (suite, store, maps) is anything to be measured against. Ask yourself why USB connection prompts 'PC suite' and 'mass storage' when OVI suite is the next generation of connection software. And 8 months later, OVI suite still doesn't support this phone 100%?

Returning to the OP. I think you need to change the website's name for a start. It isn't Maemo.org for much longer and you can't support the N900 if most of you shift to Meego. Any future sap buying into the hype and going Meego on future devices will be confused to find a forum of abuse against Nokia for lack of support in a dead (officially) OS. I doubt I will be around then, I will have moved onto a working phone long before a 'make believe' PR 1.4 turns up.

I will of course eat humble pie and stand shocked if a 1.4 does in deed roll out. But I think those who are not obsessed with the N900 can see the writing on the wall. 8 months for me and still way too many bugs to fix shows Nokia's involvement with both community AND their product.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?

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Originally Posted by twigleaf1976 (Post 789352)

No one has said anything about a PR1.4.

I stated that we can probably expect at least one more update PR1.3, after that is anyones' guess.