Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

There is a problem with your post because you talk about Maemo and that means flogging a dead horse if Nokia cease to support Maemo and move on to a far better eco friendly system that they have now achieved lots of comercial interest in Meego so why the talk of a dead system?.

So do we debate here and make an issue of the decisions Nokia have made or do we go with them and if need be improvise but at least on the same track as they are on not one that has suddenly came to a dead end, or do you see Maemo as your thing or are you going to dispute Maemo is not coming to an end support wise from Nokia?.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I feel you do not realise the important role a community plays in any situation.
A community is where people get together and work together NOT going at eachother and arguing why this why that.
Meego is where we have been forced to go by Nokia so that has to be the way forward as explained in my last post in reply to yet another debate on Maemo.

We need more intergration with Nokia as they seem to have this trend of rebuking support but this time they did it to a new born creation that was never given the light of day from them as they moved on telling us Maemo is finished and in less than a year !.

Now is when the community comes in to evaluate and decide the best way forward BUT it is still hung on Maemo a dead horse and a lot of members want to dispute and that just hinders and halts forward motion.

Yes your right this community is NOT responsible for Nokia's decisions and once again it takes a well balanced group to achieve something when in this case Nokia fail.

The way forward is beinbg said by many now and i am only echoing this... work together as a team without argument or war of words as to do that means non productivity and a complete stalling of progression.

Maemo is dead and Nokia told the world Meego is the future so we ALL need to at least head in the same direction dont you think?.

We ARE responxsible for the future of the N900 if it means Nokia are not going to support it ! and YOU need to realise this.

Ok Nokia dont talk but owns this forum yes? or no?, they are telling us at the moment will not give the N900 Meego support so where does that leave us?.

Ok argue the point but does it get you any further forward?.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

"what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?" is a flawed statement, if taken literally. As has been intimated at, iterated again, and reiterated countless times but never actually asked of abill_uk, what were you thinking using the word "us" as though we are in some way distinct from the community, that is as apposed to using the word "we"?

If I assume the words used were in err of abill''s real intent then the object of interest is not so much a question but a public proposal to move towards a more formal community recognition that Nokia is likely unlikely to work with us, and urge that we invest more energy as a community towards the goal of autonomy.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."
-- Captain, Road Prison 36 in Cool Hand Luke

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Then maybe the way forward is to turn this into a Meego community as qgil is trying to start many seperate Meego's just to make things more complicated, maybe he wants as many moaning communities like this one is turning out to be?.

Oh boy you lot certainly know how to screw up a simple question !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Maybe Stskeeps would like to comment as he keeps popping in and out of this thread?.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

US means everyone and that means EVERYONE as everyone reading on here and posting on here is part of the community, does that clarify or do you require even more of an explanation that that !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I have to think that a lot of us don't fully agree with you.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I dont actually mind at all about that as long as this community unites in some way and works together to achieve something constructive for the N900.

I am not important... the N900 IS !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

But of course, everyone else is an idiot.

Then you might want to rethink your original post here, the content, direction and tone used.

At any rate, you seem to have misread/misunderstand/not understand my last post. Please reread that too.

Cherio.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I think that the community is rather united. The reason to assume the helm has yet to be passed to this community because Nokia's not yet done with Maemo 5.

As neither am I. But your trailing periods after your exclamation marks somehow annoy me to a new level for some ungodly reason.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Hi, I am one of the people that bought the Nokia 770 a long time ago. I understood I was early in the game, but was generally happy with the tablet for basic internet browsing from home.

I tried to use it for email, but the email client was far to basic, and while it "supported" imap, it didn't really allow many things that a desktop email client does allow - such as "marking" an email for future use, etc.

The contact manager back then was not able to easily sync with ACT! easily, also a major challenge for my work.

I am now at the point of wanting to buy a new phone, ideally from Nokia, so the question is - do I buy an N900 or the newer symbian platform based phones? I looked at each, careful to make sure that these two very basic functions- a) Contact management and b) Email client are working well and able to keep up.

I might be missing something, but as far as I can tell, neither software base to this day has a viable email client for all but hobby use. What am I msising here?

IMHO, we don't need "more apps" we need apps that do the job.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

It's a jolly good thing that they used readily available batteries - unlike Apple devices these days.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

The more advanced user you are the more benefit you would have from an n900. There have been complaints against the mail client on the n900 though for me it is more than enough. I use gmail, hotmail and gcalender.

Make a list on what your exact needs are and see if the n900 does it. ;)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I think you've wandered into the wrong thread, lad. Please check the topic and try again, or ask a computer operator to help you.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

@abill_uk theres something i don't quite get. You state that the reason for not sharing your mod with OTG usb mode is the warrenty but later states is because of the potential earnings you might loose? Wich is it?
Also stated is that you made this mod and later you say that we got this working (some storage devices and a 19" lcd screen and we worked on it? Wich is it, you alone or you AND others?
And further more you keep telling people to stay on topic when you infact by yourself mentioned the OTG usb mode to be one of your contributions to the community (so you whent off topic), wich you keep to yourself so not really contributing anything there?
I'm not for the attacking or name calling but i'm all for calling peoples BS and theres just missing that red thread in your posts they just don't add up in the end. To me it feels like you come with most of the answers as the thread goes along and not remebering what you stated earlier.
And why all the fear of the future and not being here in the present and enjoy.
This is an awsome device and if it where that of today no more would come to the N900 (community or Nokia wise) i will still love it and use it for long time forward. And i don't feel anything against Nokia or there lag off support, so what, yell all you want Nokia wont here you nor the community. In the end i feel i got what i payed for and do not at all feel my money is wasted nor my time and feel confident for what the future brings to this device ;)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

OP you need to look back and see what has been done in regards to early tablets.
Community has a very limited time to be working for free, here do all these great work as a hobby or fun. there is only so much a community can do.
and there is a big reason its called community rather than a corporation.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

@Dousan: this may explain it:

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

"what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?"

The title of this thread has a certain sense of irony!

abill_uk seems to think the community here solely consists of noobs and people not as experienced as himself.

That really is quite patronising and elitist.

Especially since I have over 25 years of commercial hardware and software experience under my belt and yes I am very handy with a soldering iron (my Dad had me soldering at 10 years old!).

Before anyone jumps down my throat - I am not saying I know more that abill_uk, I am just saying I have the skills to do the mod.

Also, abill_uk is unwilling to share his hardware mod just seems to prove he does not seem to have any faith in the community.

What abill_uk should do is release schematics of the work he has done. If it is really as hard as he says it is then sure, he can still charge to make the mods. Ideal for "noobs" and people who lack the skills to it - that's fine.

However, in the true sense of community spirit he should let other people (who may have the skills) perform the mods themselves - we enjoy that kind of challenge!.

So, really to take any advice from him is like an MP advising you what you can't claim in your expenses form!

The community is doing just fine.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

It will be a bit off the topic.

What's wrong with all those who wants to change OS? DId you buy the hardware and now start to complain there's no future for it?(yea I know about definition N900 is computer like, you buy hardware and then choose software to use)
Sorry, but I knew what I chose when I bought N900. And actually I feel very satisfied with what I got. I like Maemo5, I like N900 hardware although I don't overestimate it.

So I question again? Are you so unsatisfed with Maemo5, all its capability and features?

NITDroid is what I would never want on my N900. Why would I? Moreover, I would prefer to buy dedicated device if I want to.

Almost the same goes for MeeGo. While I see a long future for it, I don't see the reason to install it. What do you want to see there? I suspect it won't offer something new for us - same or even more stricted functionality compared to Maemo5, just more fancy UI. Even so, why would I want to change from Maemo5 to MeeGo if they are equal in terms of functionality? Personally, I'm not the big fan of all that cute transitions and etc. Moreover, I really like Maemo5 UI and the possibility to tweak almost everything.

Speaking of software, I actually already more than happy with what Maemo5 offers me. Yes, there are some aspects of phone usage,where our beloved device couldn't compare to others. But I adjusted to it, it fills my needs enough to be happy with what I have.

So you probably guees my verdict - why be so unsatisfied and try to fill your needs by others?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

So...

Having arrived at page 14, at least I learned:

That Hildon development has officially stopped (the git link placed somewhere earlier). I had not seen that before, probably due to the fact that I am relatively new on this forum.

That some people prefer to get into semantics based on the wrong use of words like "us" and the like. (Al though I will admit I was put off by the thread title as well.) It would actually be nice if people would try and remember that a lot of people here do not speak english as their primary language (I for one).

That there are positive examples of devices no longer supported by their manufacturers, machines that manage to stay alive for many years after the support was dropped.

I guess to get further with this discussion a couple of things would be needed:

A focus on the OS of choice, which for me automatically means maemo5.

Dedication to future development and fixing existing bugs in said OS.

A constructive way of communicating. More than is the case now.

None of this is possible without a strong community. And that is how I interpreted the use of the dreaded word "us".

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Despite what Abil_Uk have said.. the n900 are still supported. And it will be for some time ahead. So most of the things he said are not true. That is the problem.. not the language. The community will continue as it has.. no need to change it. It works good.

People will continue to claim Nokia has bad support... Somehow they think that if they don't get the next Meego device for free.. the support is bad. Heck.. someone said that the n900 could do Crysis! I should sue Nokia for that... ! !

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Please cite your sources.

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I am to lazy for that right now. But things are still in the pipe.. like PR1.3 and Harmattan. Fcam that came a couple of weeks ago is also something although not entierly from Nokia. They got staff working on it.. saw some link on it awhile back.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

People, define support:
- To directly provide code to system. (OTA - btw. Pretty new stuff at least to me, this is my first phone with camera :D)
- To provide code to bits and parts of system (upstream) and so giving community to option to compile it by themselves.
- Fully Opening source and giving option to fix stuff by devels

So what is support exactly or is it actually really wide range of things. Just little thought before people yell each other that there is no support. IMHO N900 is lacking support and Nokia is not providing it too much, but then again saying that there is no support at all is also IMO wrong.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

The problem is we have no idea either way if the n900 will be officially supported or not.

No official announcement has been made.

We may get a PR1.3 update we may not. We just don't know.

Will the n900 have a fully working MeeGo implementation?

It depends on the progamming effort. So far it does look promising.

Has Nokia ceased development of maemo?
We are still unsure - they have stopped work on hildon.

Does the n900 have a long productive life ahaed of it?
Yes, people are still releasing new software. If you really want to you can hack about with the root filesystem and change stuff.

Does the n900 need Meego?
I don't think it's future depends on it. It is still a viable platform and free SDK kits are available for it. Meego would be nice!

Is the n900 crippled or held-back in anyway?
I don't think so. I use mine all the time and very happy with it. It's been a worthwhile investment.

Will we get Flash 10?
Unless we can "port" a version from the next Meego handlheld - not so far.

As a community we don't know anything (not from official sources) but plenty of rumours.

Is it worthwhile contacting Nokia on the community's behalf and demand (in the nicest possible way) firm answers from Noka?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

At the moment, yes. Still supported. Nobody denied that. The level of support is a different matter, I guess... Not to mention the future...

Could you back that up with some solid source of information?

As far as I know there is no sign of official continuing support. Might be true, might not be.

Please. Reread what I stated and reread the thread. Search for comments on the opening title...

Which I don't think was the point of this thread.

So, if I understand you correctly you would like to oppose to that statement and claim Nokia actually gives good support?

No. You're wrong. That was not mentioned in this thread but let me bring in some things that annoy me to no end...

Two simple examples...

I think support sucks because:

I am a linux user who bought a linux device and yet needs to download crappy half assed software meant for the Windows platform. When I do eventually download that, the software will tell me my device is not fully supported and does not allow me to do simple tasks as backing up my messages. Again. Would you like to call that decent support? Really?

Another example: Being a linux user, I would like to be able to sync with protocols like OBEX and the like and exchange the calendar on my n900 with the one on my computer (Evolution). Yet, it is not possible.

Same question as above applies here too.

Yep. The support is bad. Period. That's why this forum is so important. And luckily there is a lot of knowledge here.

You're going badly offtopic here, mate. The OP did not claim that, nor did anyone else in this thread. Of course there are whiners on this forum who will do just that but usually I try to ignore those threads and now you are bringing them in here? Thanks but no thanks...

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

A nice and objective post.. This should have been in the OP ;)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Good post. And it´s true that we have here case of communication gone bad.

Btw.Fixes done after 1.2

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I was on the verge of letting some of the mods gp on this thread but after reading the attacks by the now dirty dozen i have nick named them i would not give you lot the satisfaction.

As for you Johnel, why dont you use your expertise and do some mod's yourself as i am sure with all those years behind you otg is easy for you so why at me for it?.

I have done all the rework on the N900 myself but i am not able to do the proggramming especially as Nokia dont seem to know direction and the very reason i was hopeing this thread would give me some but alas no because the old school are here to hack and destroy for what reason i cease to understand.

I merely pointed out the otg stuff to let people know i am serious about Meego or a such like OS but the problem is some device drivers are still closed source and as this is a community actually owned by Nokia and for sure when they will look in on this it might just stir them enough to give us what we ALL deserve and that is a fully working os working all the hardware properly as their devices normally do instead of cutting us sharp as they seem to have done SOME FLAGSHIP DEVICE HUH ! and next time Nokia do NOT allow everyone to do your work for you and LIE the N900 is a flagship !.

WHY Nokia did you do this? you made a right ballsup as everyone knows of the usb port but hey it is easy put right so please dont let a simple thing like a detatched usb port let you forget the N900 for your own mistakes ! (at least replace the replacement units with through hole ports so they dont have to come back at you yet again for yet another replacement) crazy designer should have been fired for that as he has cost Nokia a heck of a lot of money ! drill 2 holes and attatch the port to the under earth plain as well as the top one and consider the job done properly!.

Listen you people who are arguing here with me please try to at least understand business sense and realise some of us do this for a living and if any chance Nokia can get in on this then you all win !!! get it?.

Maemo should never have been abandoned let alone the way they brought about Meego as a pure insult to all us N900 owners and i think Nokia have something to answer for.

You lot argue this out i dont care about arguments as they are for fools, i only care that you lot get something back for the 500 bloody quid that you paid (like me) so now maybe it is time for you lot to divert your energy at the maker!!! please at least be grown up about all this and accept for reasons obvious that this argument will never cease untill something comes out of Nokia, and MAYBE just MAYBE we are one step closer to getting results after this lot.

I detest people like qgil who as a nokian gave us all hope for it all to be dashed and took away from us for him now to go on the same old track about Meego that dont include the N900 !, well that takes the biscuit rather dont it.

DONT BE SCARED of Nokia hit them back in the teeth and make sure this money making machine stops taking the piss out of us like they have done with the N900.

This is a good forum but it stinks of Nokia and what do they do for N900 owners???? ask yourself ok and stop throwing the buck at me cos i am not Nokia or the designer of this device.

I am not out for brownie points rather more like some cash back from the money i have spent so is that a bad thing to do? ok i can be radical but hey... Glen Miller said if you want a different sound then get radical or something like that, BRILLIANT musician then he goes and gets killed in a stupid air crash and left us hanging.

I am old school not a young boy (if only) because with youth i would leave Nokia standing because i truly believe in giving good production and backup service.

I have said enough now on this thread so i will leave it open either to be closed by moderation or for you lot to have a further go, entirely your choice.

Final word to people like tswindell and ysss, try to at least be nice to people because when you aint you get peoples back up and bang goes any chances of progress but instead you get arguments so do try at least to be kind, after all we are only human flesh and blood.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Huh? What are you on about man?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Where is there a statement that PR1.3 is in the works and is coming?

What does Harmattan have to do with N900 support considering that Harmattan ("Maemo6") is now MeeGo and will not be officially supported on N900?

When you are less lazy would you mind posting the links, I know I'm curious.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

VERY GOOD POST Johnel !!!!.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I'm not much for drugs, apart from some smooth scotch or martinis maybe, but oh man, I sure want what ever you are smoking! :)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Nu uh!! You can't do that! You just wrote:

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I sorta highjacked you post.. sorry about that.

The OP said there is no support and that the Maemo OS is dead. I felt i had to comment on that. And there is proof.. it would just take some time to find it. But eventually it will get unsupported... when that is i do not know. Probably around next year sometime.

I commented on your view of the language... people generally don't have problems with what words which are chosen. In this case they had a purpos though.. OP knows english.


The Op have blamed the community before for doing to little. I do not agree with that. I think the community should continue on the path it has taken.


No, but not bad either.. pretty average.

Windows??? For backing it up do the linux way and use rsync or ssh.

I think there is a program that does this.. SyncEvolution i think it was called.


How do you get your support for your Linux box? ... just, joking.. i was not very serious at the en of my post.

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Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Thanks, I have no idea who Kontori is but if the best link to that Nokia is officially working on, and planning 1.3 is a five months old, one sentence post in some random thread about a camera feature - I guess it'll just have to do :)

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

re future support those saying that the n900 will be supported ny nokia ie PR1.3 are just as guilty of spreading mis information as those who say they will be no more future support. FACT of the matter is anything official nokia says has no value eg see all the OVI store announcements that turned out to be BS. Until Nokia actually DELIVERS NO ONE knows whether there will be future suport or not. Nokia MAY do future updates or they may not. NO ONE knows until they actually release it regardless of what announcements they make.

therein lies the rub - for those who like the phone as IT IS and view additional changes as bonuses this situation is fine.

for those who do not find the n900 satisractory but hope patches will make it better - well for these ppl u are wasting your time as there is not guarantee that your issue will get fixed as community support works on a volunteer basis and projects get put on hold or abandoned as real life intrudes or certain bits of coding are not "cool" or are tedious and so no one will make those changes at all (ie see flash integration into opera)

for these ppl u are better off getting a phone that has an active platform and user base where there are commercial incentives to drive software changes - u are much more likely to be happier with that environment.

and those who post away on this forum arguing that the n900 has a long life and community support that will address all issues and that everything is hunky dory without carefully indicating the boundaries and limitations of community support to newbies who might read such posts - i think u no better ( in fact worse ) then "iTards" who worship mr jobs.

to those who argue that the n900 totally sux and that no one could possibly like this phone - well the same to u too.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

AlMehdi i have to comment here as that was a good post too and that yes i have said before and say again that this community can be MUCH better at support but it needs to get its act together and old standing members lay off the argumentative talk because it actually drives people away as you already know with sad losses to this community.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

@AlMehdi

Actually, you're right about the community targeted complaints. I ignored that for the better parts of OP's posting.

Syncing with Evolution does NOT work, despite the name SyncEvolution. But I guess it's too much too ask for Nokia to provide a decent simple way to quickly sync my two devices. I opened a thread about this problem and got 0 answers on that. Everybody seems content to use online services, install a webserver to run syncs through a 3d party app. Tried rsync as well, to no avail.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58058