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http://www.blogger.com/profile/13624128995827387189
http://maemo.org/profile/view/konttori/

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Harmattan was not supposed to be MeeGo.. i do not know if that have changed lately. I was supposed to still be built on .deb.. as opposed to RPM as Meego will have.

I might do that...

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He's talking about a preview of qt mobility being in extras-devel. That is still far away from a preview of PR1.3 let alone an official announcement of PR1.3 coming to the N900.

In other words: Utterly useless.

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Nokia has not officially pre-announced any of the firmware releases, so you're SOL if you're waiting for that.

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Unfortunately that doesn't quite make his rather 'harsh' comment about that one linked post being "utterly useless" any less valid - one may even argue that it rather supports it. :)

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oh dear god.
First link what i put here was bugs fixed after PR 1.2. Second link was because someone was asking WHO KONTTORI IS. I´m really getting angry around here. What kind of people i´m talking with?

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I'll take a look at your post.. sometimes they need bumping to reach a more knowledgable member to see.

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I am not sure i agree to that.. yes, i am aware of Querty.. But he was generally pissed at everything. Little like you and me can get 03.00 after a friday night.

I think the community works well. A lot of issues have been and are solved within the community.

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Have you made bug report to devel of syncevolution?
http://bit.ly/a3iVXs

And about Comments about Nokia providing support. Try Nokias official channels and if you are not happy then replace device with something that you are more happy with. If not possible then try to solve problem with people here (as it looks like you are trying) who are giving help for free and coding in their free-time.

.edit
Note to myself. Package search linking broken. Had to use bit.ly

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@Slender

My reaction was meant for the claim that PR1.3 support was coming. As such I thought the linked post was utterly useless. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

@ AlMehdi

Would be greatly appreciated, if you are, in fact, in the know. Could serve as a nice illustration for community support in this thread too and on top of that, you'd have my long lasting gratitude :D

Edit: Bumping was something I deliberately avoided as the topic on Evolution had been discussed in quite a few threads already. From the other tech forums I hang out, I know that bumping can be quite annoying.

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I have not used it my self so i could not say. If the question is common it can get annoying.. but i don't see the harm in this. But talking in the official syncevolution thread would probably render in better help.

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I'd imagine the developers in the community will probably follow a similar path to what I plan on doing:

* Continue to develop on and with Maemo 5 until something better comes along. Either vanilla "MeeGo + Handset UX" or (possibly) "Harmattan/MeeGo" (A.K.A. Maemo 6)

* Once a decent upgrade path is available for the aforementioned possible OS upgrades, I will continue to support Maemo5 with additional support for "Harmattan/Meego" (Maemo6) and vanilla MeeGo where possible.

It is my belief that judging from Nokia's track record we're unlikely to get a "Harmattan/MeeGo" (Maemo 6) community adaptation despite efforts being discussed toward this goal.

I also think that maybe the community driving vanilla MeeGo + UX for the N900 is the better option, because it is IMO our best bet for a continued and maintained codebase for the N900.

After all, we want our devices to have the longest life possible, right?

This is how I will support this community. Along with my work on helping other developers and users on IRC and here.

But, this is no different to how I and most people here have been working for the past 5 years or so. What more does the user segment of our community want?

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Video, or it didn't happen.

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Who are you then ... GOD huh.
Personally i would not give you the light of day so be a good little boy read the posts and at least try to work it out for yourself.

ysss you gone and done it again and you will obviously never stop and the very reason you have among others kept me from giving jack on here... zillage so hope you understand old chap.

Really Reggie look at what you have created here !.
If your rules allow the last 3 posts then i strongly suggest you re-write them !.

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:rolleyes: Immature comments like this are exactly why your posts are not generally favorably received around here.

What was so wrong with my post? I am asking for proof, just the same as you.

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Not that I believe any of this bullcrap, but you want community support yet are yourself purposefully not contributing to the community? Nobody owes you anything

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There have been some valid points raised and asked in here but am getting a bit annoyed having to read thru the many personal attacks and bull...can’t we just keep it to what the thread is about.. that being what could the community continue helping with regarding the n900?

my 2 peneth worth is i hope the community does continue to help as this is still a remarkable phone even with it's flaws.

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i'm with neotalk, cause this is resembling a bunch of kids fighting in the playground

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I completely agree with you 100% and it now is very clear that the rules a regs of this community are NOT WORKING so please Reggie do look at this seriously and you will learn not only who the culprits are by the offending posts and the thankyou's that go with them, it is not difficult to work out and to be honest it is a real downer for your community and making it very very clear indeed that the rules apply to the majority but the bussom pals can say and do anything on here ..... and get away with it !.

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Have you actually reported any of these posts you're objecting to, or are you expecting Reggie to single-handedly read through every single post of every single thread?

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I am sorry to say this but the last post i reported got a reply from a Mod who i will not name to get a life !.

It is getting worse and is very very offending to everyone that has to read through the attacking going on so i can only say this... please report them because you may just get a result.

The biggest problem on here is the offenders are very VERY pally with the Mods and that is the reason nothing is done and the reason people are just leaving.

All i wish for is the good and quite frankly my comments are drastically lacking personal feeling because at least i go by the rules.

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report them posts if you wish but personally i feel getting banned for a week is a price worth paying if it means offending abill_uk :):D;):cool::p:p

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@abill: I will not play your blame game, but I will connect some logical missing links for you:

- What you think as 'pally' are most likely like-minded people agreeing each other's posts so they don't have to make a duplicate post. I can assure you there have been no conspiratorial private messages, nor secretive irc meetings nor weekly book clubs.

- Those 'attacks' that you mentioned? They basically started off responding to your:
a). incredulous claims (your various unproved, unbacked hacking claims).
b). strong worded remarks which are based on misunderstood concepts (allusion to this mythical super-organized 'community' that are holding things back, which precludes yourself somehow).
c). continuous emotional rebuttals, which brings more and more people and variables into this vortex of ****.

Let's put all this behind us.

Let's see you put the money where your mouth is.

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Now i think something will be done aas they simply carry on and on and on.

The offending does not effect me but it DOES effect everyone reading the blatent rule breaking so Reggie please take care of this i ask you for everyone on this community.

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@OP

I have deliberately chosen to defend some points you made and I did so by stating that I prefer people who speak their mind bluntly but fair above people that do the opposite. There is, however one thing attached to that approach: chances are people will speak to you as bluntly as they rated your opening post.

You probably know the saying about heat and kitchens and staying out of kitchens if you can´t stand the heat. Ignore the people you don´t like and get on with the things that are important. Please.

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Judging by some of your previous timewasting abuses of the moderation system you have only yourself to blame.

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Do as I say, not as I do == FAIL

Do as I say, not as I do == abill_uk

abill_uk == FAIL

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This isn't just semantics. abill_uk IS a native English speaker and his choice of separating "community" from "us" gives the appearance of creating two audiences here. Some have asked for clarification and received none.

I see the thread title as divisive, which supports the opposite of a strong community. And you acknowledge being new, which indicates you are likely still lacking the context that would help you understand where some responders are coming from.

If abill_uk doesn't mean to create the perception of division, then I would suggest he reword the thread title so we can unwrap from that axle.

EDIT: but again, the thread has become about the poster rather than his subject. I am hovering over the Close function...

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I'm trying not to be offensive, but I can't molly coddle your experience here on tmo. This isn't Reggies' community, it's ours, he runs this forum that we converse on.

I'm not going to ignore my own views and beliefs just to get along with you.

Also, I'm not pals with any mods here really, I'm not even sure who they all are. I've been around here for a while but I've been pretty quiet on tmo since it began, just look at my post count. This is mainly because I've never been to eager to get involved in conversations oriented at the basic user segment of the community.

abill_uk, what would you personally like those of us that are developers to do with the N900? Your questions are so vague as to be pointless, just tell us what you, personally would like to see fixed (try and be realistic) and maybe someone will take the gauntlet. I'm always looking for challanges. So please clarify what you feel needs to be done and stop being so vague all the time. This is why I feel you come across as trollish and evasive.

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After reading through all the 20 threads, I can say that this is turning into a real "Maemo Soap Opera"

abill_uk, a simple video showing your USB OTG method working would really be interesting to see.

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Just would like to add a comment regarding this point. This separation has become more apparent with the introduction of the N900.

You could theoretically separate "us" and "you" into:

- The recent end-user n900 enthusiasts. Did not really create anything. They also cannot do any "Testing" as they might be using the phone for day-to-day activities and cannot handle any downtime.

- The veteran Maemo or Linux users. They might've created, ported or tested something at some point. They did it just like that. They didn't ask for payment nor cared about how popular the mobile is or who supports it. The N900 might be their primary device. It might not. They don't believe things are "bad" because they can still do what they want to do with the N900 one way or the other.

I think both groups have valid points. I think the only thing the first group can do is just wait and see what the second group comes up with or just moves on to another device.

The second group will just continue to do what they do.

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Its more like a horrific motorway car crash....i dont want to watch but i just can't look away.

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wow I missed that one, thx for pointing me there, had a fun read.. :D

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I agree with your observation-- and if that WAS the intended context, then the developers and other contributors who have been outraged over the thread title and first post have a point. The subject comes across as a demand rather than a request. Again, it would be nice to see that clarified by the OP.

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I draw parallels to this thinking and what I read for a long time on the opensolaris forums. there was no official word that opensolaris would not be supported, oracle would not drop the os as it was their fedora with solaris being redhat etc.

seems like people have their heads buried in the sand. enjoy your device for what it has, like a lot of storage, a good though cramped keyboard and some cool apps like easy debian.

but don't doubt that the device has been essentially abandoned.

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I think this distinction is false. There are naturally a majority of new Maemo users since the N900 came out, and a big number of them (majority?) are simple users with no programming skills, and often no linux knowledge.
This was the same with the N800 and the other NITs, but in that case the percentages were different, as those devices appealed more specifically to linux users, hackers, and a niche which searched for just a tablet.
In that case inexpert users probably were a minority, and they either learned to be part of the community following other's example quietly, or they just took what came out of it. Their device costed also much lesser and had fewer expectations, so, lesser reasons to complain.

I've seen many newcomers to Maemo working on/creating/porting applications; or simply filing bugs and partecipating in design/UI/icons/mods/app testing. A part of these were simple users with no programming skills and no linux knowledge.
They just wanted to do something for the fellow device users, improve their device, and be part of a community of people with some shared interests.

I think it's all up to you, how much you want to be involved, how much time you want to put in it, how long you're prepared to wait for something you want for your device.
No patience/technical capabilities/will? Ignore the community and take what comes...

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And there lies the crux of it, most of us end users don't want to and shouldn't have to depend solely on non commercial developers. We should have the opportunity to buy apps created by teams of paid developers. The device itself should be looked to be improved by Nokia so as to be competitive. The community is a bonus and they don't owe anybody anything. Other devices have community hackers and scripters too though.

I know you understand this. And to some extent, us end users should "get over it and face reality". We got screwed during the limited lifespan of the n900. And the next device by being immediately cross compatible with symbian apps and with a bigger Nokia expenditure and focus will probably be better.

I don't think its right that annoyed users bring everyone else down, especially not developers and happy users but I do think they should have an area to vent, give feedback and criticism. Perhaps a debate and discussion area should be made and users can opt out of them appearing on their feed.

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what are you going to do for the community besides ranting all day long?

can you give me some REAL lottery numbers for next round?