Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

*puts down popcorn*

The fact he's a native speaker is not important here. Native or not, an explanation should be requested, and received. Native language barriers only apply to the first post, not subsequent explanations, clarifications or lack thereof. IMO.

Wait...

*grabs popcorn, adjusts 3D glasses*

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I am confused - is his USB host work independent or in conjunction with the community http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227 one?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Indeed it would be interesting to see, and he would not be giving his secrets so he can still make money, but i will just point to a nice web page i found http://healthmad.com/mental-health/h...ological-liar/

i will keep calling him BS unless proven wrong... just because the "ENGLISH LAW"(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51864) says i can...

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Just my thoughts aswell, cause he do contradict himself alot and is very vague when answering and a vid would not tell his 'secret' but reveal him as a liar if thats the case... And who wouldn't document this kind off progress and post it with an announcement/wip here on TMO?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I should also point out that the gamegripper is a perfect example of how a company can make money by working WITH the community.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I could not agree with you more. I'm slowly forming an understanding of how things are. The people at this forum are not to blame. Nokia is to blame.

My current approach is simple. I advise people here or people I personally know against buying any Nokia device and hope that my sentiment propagates. Not by being rude, but by just opening their eyes to look beyond the specs on paper. In essence, I believe that this is the approach that has any chance of getting Nokia's attention.

In the mean time, I try to enjoy as much as I can from the N900, as I save up to move on to another device.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

To pickup with the OP,
asking for "real" answers with claiming lies? (no proof == lie)

You are asking the wrong people me thinks! We are here for Maemo and you are asking the Maemo Community to run MeeGo?! Wrong place I guess. You are asking for answers from Nokia... and again this is not Nokia this is Maemo Community.

For the blame/flame/rant/pointing-fingers thing going on in any thread you join or start, would you mind to stop it initially? People are offended by stating gossip as facts. I have done this so many times now with PMs and asking or even whining for Reggie to agree with you wont help. I know only 2 people in TMO personally and call them friends at the same but I agree with many I do not know.

As offended as you are people please step back from any posts which are not on topic with OP, please at least try to be objective. If someone puts up gossip as facts proof him wrong or ask for a proof. No need to get personal.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Your post is very very confusing indeed and i want some answers if i may have them.

You state this is a Maemo community and we are told by Nokia Maemo is dead and they have moved on to Meego so why is this community trying to keep alive a dead system when the whole world knows Meego is where Nokia are going.?

Ok second confusing issue here you say this is not Nokia but we are told this forum is owned by Nokia and as it deals 99.99% with Nokia products then why you say this is not Nokia?.

Thirdly and finally i have asked Mods alike for a long time now and many people have the same issues as myself with the "blame/flame/rant/pointing-fingers thing going on" (your words) so why after reviewing TMO policy is it STILL going on ? why have are the Mods allowing and encouraging this kind of behaviour on this forum?.
Do you now realise the damage it does to make people sick and tired and actually put off trying to gain ground when all that happens is the usual crowd shout down in abuse and are allowed to get away with it.. for what reason? where is the positivity in that? do you not see it causes grief which ever way you look at it?.

When you sort that out the problems will cease and we will indeed have a user friendly society that we can feel comfortable with dont you agree here ?.

Ok my final point is about USB OTG and i want to explain something to the people who just do not understand why i dont give out thwe information regarding mods,

Firstly it is NOT working properly because the OS will not allow it too as it battles with drivers written and becomes very snaggy indeed.
Secondly the mods mean some track cutting and linking and some quite extensive complicated close eye soldering best done under a mag and the very reason it is not suitable for users in general and i do not want to be blamed for there mistakes !.
Inside the N900 is not easy to re-work and Nokia most certainly did not allow any provision for usb otg in any way or form.
The final reason i am not issuing any details is because under test we very nearly had a fire on our hands as the current being drawn from a second voltage input very nearly flashed into flames.

Please underdstand and respect my wishes as a very experianced component engineer for over 25 yrs because if i say no then that means there is problems OK !.
I will not publish pictures or video because this will only get users more frustrated and even if i did show you the protortype it is not pretty as holes had to be drilled in the case for an extra usb socket and a voltage connector (charge pin).

We also did tests on overclocking and the cpu most certainly did get very warm indeed when the usb mods were completed as far as we could get them.

We need a different approach with preferably a better OS with all driver details available which can only come from Nokia i believe.

The most important issue here is not the usb but the way this community operates and allowed abuse that takes place, not only does it get peoples back up it also pushes them away from this community and that really does need to be understood because if it is not dealt with then bang go any chances of real forward development i can tell you certainly from this stable !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

THere is NO NEED for abuse in any way or form and should be obliterated from ANY forum let alone this one so please review your abuse policy because they are NOT working as you have Mods making comments that just encourage the abusers !.

An abuse policy should not allow ANY abuse in ANY way or form.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Maybe we have different interpretation for the term "dead system".
My system is pretty much alive. My N900 runs Maemo5. And
as long as there are developer working for this system
(including me) and as long as there are users interested in
this device, I wouldn't call it dead (regardless where nokia
decides to move on).

Becaus this is the community forum. There is an official
Nokia forum, too.

Why on earth did you mentioned your work on USB OTG?

regards
Nicolai

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

nicolai I could not agree with you more on the usb point i just wish i kept my mouth shut !.

On a further vent i will also say to anyone readong this that i have been accused of not contributing anything to this forum... what about the usb detachment problem, did i not tell everyone exactly how do deal with this as a proper and permanent repair ! and as it is the only real problem it has i think i did provide some valuable help !.

Your N900 is same as my main one that it runs smooth and without problems at all as i dont install dev material but what will you feel when Meego goes live on a similar device with a proper based and solid adaptable OS?.

Meamo is what it is and will not get much better unless someone is prepared to completely re-write the OS and to do that means drivers so how is possible?.

The official Nokia forum i want to say is nothing as good as this one with the ease of use and its many many sections, it could never match this one in my opinion.

PLease someone realise about the flaming abuse on here because it MUST be dealt with .... really !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Considering you started this thread your stance on the wiring mod seem totally as odds with what you've posted.

Can you imagine people's faces if you actually released the information about the hardware mod.

Do you realise the gratitude you would receive from the community?

It would also confirm that you actually believe in what you type.
Your comments would gain a lot more respect and would be a token gesture towards helping the community.

I don't know exactly what the mods are and can only guess it is something to do with enabling the "host detect mode switch" and/or increasing the power line to one of the pins.

I cannot afford to experiment too much with my n900 because I rely on it to help me with my work.

You should lead by example and contribute something positive to the community and stand by the comments in your post.

Otherwise you'll be ridiculed by the rest of the community - exactly what is happening now.

With your years of hardware-based experience you are potentially a valuable member of the community and it's all going to waste.

It's a real shame.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Johnel you are right in some of your words and i know you to be a good guy most of the time ! but i just cannot hack this damm abuse from the likes of ysss and his bloody followers and as much as i want to give i also have to remember standards i have worked to all my life and the mods are not in any way or form even safe and to be honest here Johnel it is bloody Nokia's fault and i really hate what they did with the N900 because if the stoopid design engineer had only thought a wee bit further afield he would have realised with the glowing potential our device has why the hell did he balls it up like this???? really infuriates me sometimes.

All i want to see on here is normal non abuse banter, ok laugh now and then but hell i will no way allow ANYONE to preach to me or demand or abuse my posts and it all started right in the beggining with this ysss and he is still bloodywell at it !.

Texrat dont help and i really dont understand his mentality because he is a really nice bloke most of the time but seemingly not only allows the abuse he actually fuels it by his comments, surely surely he must realise this.

I give up on here because it is just NOT nice at all sometimes and all i want is some talk from engineer to engineer because you know... i really DO love my N900 and am always fascinated by its capabilites but very frustrated by some of the outcomes all down to this stooid os it has that is just NOT open source as Nokia make it out to be.

Please please let us get back to basics and above all FRIENDLY talk and banter and just maybe i will give in but no way when pics of shite are allowed !!!.
If i go then it will be yet another loss and quite frankly i just dont feel like doing anything now because of the balony, anyhow keep up the good comments as i do enjoy some of your posts Johnel.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Hmmm. How should this be said to you? N900 future depends pretty much on living, evolving and even perishing community so there is no or will be "The answer" from community. Community is not one entity of something.

Nokia has it´s own business models and decisions so you should ask from them. Currently looks like they are fully going on Meego and on side developing/helping to make N900 version of it. Keeping your own usb-otg mod as hostage to get answers....well I don understand you. What is your logic here? I see no sense in that kind of actions. Just keep it as on your own information and Nokia will be happy, share it they will be happy, or pretty much they do not care. On the other hand community probably cares.

Yelling at local "Pimp my Ford ride club" how bad decisions Ford has made goes to empty walls. Actually people start hating you there if you just keep on going why Ford as company has failed.

btw.
I thought that there is already working mod for USB-OTG.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I preferred to sit on the sidelines after Chemist weighted in and gave a good (re)direction to this thread, but with direct attacks and slandering towards me that Abill posted, I just have to ask him what kind of abuse and attacks have I dished out?

Make me an example, I don't mind.
Tell me what I've said wrong in this thread?

Back up your claims.

All I've seen are just more fictitious claims from you and you're very good at blaming the community, the mods, Nokia, 'the forum buddies club' and the universe for everything that you think is going wrong in your life.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Would you mind to get back on topic? Answer the questions, bring up some proof!

I try to be gentle and peaceful but soon my mouse will hover the close button and "click", this discussion about moderation and if this is Nokia or not is over!

I know you get a hard time here but you are asking for it, at least sometimes I am feeling you want to be punched! (I didn't yet, did I?)

[This community is financed by Nokia yes but it is still a free community and "we" here are no nokian engineers answering you questions. Maemo5 is alive as long as the community keeps it alive and maybe we get closed drivers upgraded or even sourced by Nokia if we kindly ask for it the day Nokia drops the whole MaemoX.]

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I am prepared to keep flooding t.m.o with opinions. *nod*
And in this I feel I am representative for a lot of community members, many of which aren't using an N900 phone.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Ok firstly this community has a LOT of very good engineers both hardware and software wise but i feel it is not getting even close to sorting out Maemo because i feel it is not working as a team mainly due to arguments and ill fate i guess working with Nokia products and the lack of support from them.

Yes you are right i feel that Nokia are going full at Meego and that has rather taken the heart out of a lot of people because it is being ceased alltogether.

I am NOT holding back because i want something i am holding solid because it is NOT a safe and easy mod to do, look get a bloody Nokia design engineer here and let HIM explain why the usb tranciever is wired wrong !.
Who wants to drill holes in the case? who wants to make a mistake and screw it all up because i tell you it is so so easy to do that, just take an N900 apart and see yourself !.

I did also state it has potentially an earning aspect for me and i am believe it or not allowed to make money from this !.

I also read the balony yet again from ysss after your post and i am not even going to reply as i have totally had it with that guy now after the shite picture and the VERY cleverly written words to incite aggravation as he always does from day one!.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Ok flog a dead horse because i dont want no part in a dead OS !.

Be a jolly good chap old boy and close this thread because it has been hounded to death and completely and utterly screwed!.

Your a Maemo fanatic and Meego is going to beat you and i cannot do anything about that sorry.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Personally, I think most of the people who were able to do anything has jumped ship (as in off talk.maemo.org/maemo.org) already, not completely unrelated to all the idiotic threads now here, instead of constructive ones..

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

You may well be very right there because all i have seen on this thread is a load of abuse and not one decent answer to the Maemo problems and what could be the way forward, it all gets eaten up by sarcasm and abuse.

How do we get Nokia to release the closed source they are holding on to? what is the best way forward to do this?.

Can we have the FULL os converted to source? including drivers.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I'm really hoping this is not the case!

Some familiar names have definately left the forum but hopefully we might get some "fresh blood".

Considering the n900 has dropped in price and some people here have sold theirs.
E.g:
"N900 does not accurately predict lottery number"
"N900 stops working when submerged under water" or
"It's useless as a house brick"

We may get new members who can contribute back into the community.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Isn't there a project to get the drivers open-sourced in Meego?

If that is the case and is successful then the drivers can make their way to maemo.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

AHA i dont know the drivers were going to be given out for the N900 for the Meego project but hell i would love you to find out a bit more regarding this !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

How vein are you? You'd love "him" to find out more about it for you?

What drivers do you want opened abill_uk? There's a request queue for opening Maemo components. Also, the drivers for MeeGo will be just as closed as the ones for Maemo, the difference is they will hopefully continually get updated due to an autobuilder.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Because he knows something i dont ! less the sarcasm ok.

A request que is not the answer right now is it !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Just for my two-cents, I don't understand all this talk about a "dead OS". Exactly how long do you intend to hold onto your N900? I've had mine since December 09 and have found it to be the best "phone" I've ever owned. I intend to keep it for another year by which time I'll buy another phone which will hopefully be as good as or better than the N900, be it Meego, Android or whatever OS it happens to come with. It seems to me that because the N900 is so open it is the most 'alive' phone on the market today. The amount of customization I have on my N900 puts Android and iPhone OS to shame. I wouldn't care if Nokia never released another Maemo update ever again. They went out on a limb and produced a totally open handset that they knew wouldn't be for the mainstream market and the community has picked it up from there and made it a fantastic handset that I wouldn't change if you paid me. I love Maemo, and as long as it's running on my N900 and I wake up in the morning and see the little 'update available' icon flashing in the status bar it's alive and kicking.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

It is pretty much your only answer for that problem. He told you a vague recollection of MeeGo having the same driver components. If he knew more I'm sure he'd have said. I don't see why that stops you from getting off your *** and doing some reading ..

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

If you think about this , the closed source drivers have to be in the vanilla updates but how do we de-encrypt?.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

I may have some problems with the system, sometimes, but on my N900 maemo is far from dead. I can hear it's pulsing heartbeat, and just yesterday some good person from this forum offered me help, and it made my machine whisper countless "thank you's". Just because a kid is leaving it's parents' house and no longer keeps in touch doesn't mean the kid is dead. My kid plans to stay alive for as long as possible and it will run it's parents software, regardless of whether the parents still contribute to it or not.

I haven't read the policy as I think I behave well enough to know what is done and what not. But like I said yesterday; If you're not afraid to open your mouth and take some people on, don't be surprised when you get that same thing back. Complaining about that, and especially complaining about that in PM's to mods really, really hurts your credibility. I have been a mod for a popular forum for a couple of years. Never really liked that behaviour...

I've read quite a few comments already from people willing to take their chances. Why won't you let them? Personally I am not interested but if this were an issue for me, I certainly would dislike the sausage you're holding up to them only to never get them a bite of it.

Why is that not mutual? Reciprocity is a great thing. Really!

The way things stand now, and Texrat was right about me being a newbee on this forum, your reputation could really be enhanced by sharing the knowledge you claim to have. Also, it is very, very much in the line of the open source community. I, for one, do not claim extensive knowledge of it all, but everything I have learned about computers and programming, I learned because people were willing to put up with my lack of knowledge and share theirs.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Same goes for the Meego projects but the drivers are closed source, once again!.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

de-encrypt? What?

They are and will be binaries.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Anthonie this thread is NOT about usb otg and i would very much like to keep it that way, if you wish answers on usb otg then start a new thread regarding this and see where it goes and i will also participate if it is NOT abused ok.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

abill, can you please answer my question so we can move forward. What do you want/need opening?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

They are closed source so therefore they will be encrypted !
Or are they held within the N900 somewhere?, you know the closed source term mean exactly that and that they will not put drivers in non encrypted bineries !.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Many people not just me want the FULL OS in a open source fashion including every single driver.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Closed source, means, the source code for their binaries are not available, it has nothing to do with encryption. They compile the source and give us the binaries. There is no encryption. Now, can you answer my question? I'm not going to continue to try and help you if you just ignore it...

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

To add to the previous posting, Abill, please, read more carefully. I have stated a couple of times already that this mod is NOT, repeat, NOT for me. But others certainly have shown interest and have expressed their willingness to take chances and brick their devices.

Now, considering the fact that you have brought your mod in to (re)gain a certain amount of credibility, it is only natural to ask to share. Yasta. Nie mas, nie menos.

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Yeah, you're skirting the issue as usual. You want something just say and maybe we can move forward. Talking about how everyone, in an ideal world wants everything open is just ridiculous. Do you even know why you want _all_ the components opened?

Re: what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?
 

Nokia currently is not prepared to waste resources opening further Maemo components (though this may change). We, as a community, have pretty much zero influence on this though, and any change is likely to come about due to MeeGo rather than explicitly for Maemo.

Some drivers will get released as part of MeeGo, possibly all of them - the MeeGo web site/forums/mailing lists would be the place to find about this though. I foresee very little chance of getting the entirety of Fremantle open sourced though, and absolutely zip the community (as a whole) can do about this.

My current expectations are for Maemo 5 to hold out at least until the MeeGo release (it's still doing everything I need in a phone, and my issues with it are very minor), then I'll be weighing up the options of either a community-supported MeeGo release for the N900, a new phone, or sticking with Maemo 5.