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maluka 2010-08-19 05:59
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 791352)
Maybe it's time for you to stop participating in threads where you are tired of reading complaints? Communication, either way, is the whole point of these forums. So long as they're civil, they're still necessary to know the who, what, why, where and when's of everything Maemo (and MeeGo, soon).

I feel sorry for you, that you feel the need to troll, whine, nag and complain about how other people are participating in discussions that you don't like.
Excuse me?!?!?!?! I have never nagged, whined, trolled or complained. If I did I would have a ton more posts than I currently have over the last 3 years. Look at my posting history.

If you want to make/take the criticism personally then it says more about you than me. I won't stoop to your level. :cool:

danramos 2010-08-19 06:09
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
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Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy (Post 791364)
danramos

you would be entirely correct were it not for the fact that the vast majority of threads degenerate like this.

We all have the right to participate within forum rules but I was under the impression this site was for those interested in improving the N900 & other NIT's either collectively or individually rather provide the battleground for schoolyard bickering & point-making.

No device is forever; N900 is not without its faults and Nokia may well be the Axis of Evil, I just want to enjoy my device
The first time I checked, this was a site for Internet Tablets. Then it became a site for Maemo. It never became a dedicated N900 site. With all that said, I'm not interested in the N900. I'm interested in keeping an eye out for the N800 related developments (that's Maemo too, right?) and I also like to participate in discussions that aren't directly related to working on the N900 (like this one--it's opinion mining). I'm also interested in the debates and conversations on the site. Last time I checked, there wasn't a requirement of the purchase of a specific model of device.

But, as far as beneficial progress goes, it might help if the devices could have some hope for improvement and support. At the moment, MeeGo is clearly a far more cheery place to hang out because there's much forward progress and momentum. Maemo is a much more dreary and angry place because... well, it's not. What did you really expect?

So, what do you want me to do? Just go away because you don't like that I point out where things should be better, where the weaknesses are and how competitors are faring? Nice.

I'm not sure that you're hoping for by sending people away, in general, but it certainly seems like the same mindset Nokia has had for a while now, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised either.

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Originally Posted by maluka (Post 791367)
Excuse me?!?!?!?! I have never nagged, whined, trolled or complained. If I did I would have a ton more posts than I currently have over the last 3 years. Look at my posting history.

If you want to make/take the criticism personally then it says more about you than me. I won't stoop to your level. :cool:
You're doing it now. heh

gerbick 2010-08-19 06:37
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
C'mon folks. Let's not go into a downward spiral. Personal attacks and comments really don't add up for a positive discussion.

Not pointing fingers pointed in any direction. But complaining about complainers is just as effective as the people complaining... it's not.

danramos 2010-08-19 06:40
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791394)
C'mon folks. Let's not go into a downward spiral. Personal attacks and comments really don't add up for a positive discussion.

Not pointing fingers pointed in any direction. But complaining about complainers is just as effective as the people complaining... it's not.
True enough. I actually bit that time--I should have realized it was bait. heh
So... back to the topic, then...?

rm42 2010-08-19 06:51
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

slender 2010-08-19 07:14
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallaci...rial_fallacies
Straw man and irrelevant conclusion seem to be on my top list what i see around here.

ysss 2010-08-19 07:16
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
Getting meta...

imperiallight 2010-08-19 09:19
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
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Straw man
Straw man is exactly how I called it as well, hence the slightly cynical tone of my posts.

This is where the arguer builds something up so they can win a cheap point, examples on this thread:

1) What other device can run Maemo?

2) What device has Garnet VM and a FM transmitter??

3) What device uses last years technology (resistive) + is powerful by today's standards + has a hardware keyboard???

The real question might be which manufacturer would want/strive for the above?

outdoors 2010-08-19 09:23
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 791334)
The problem with with what you just wrote is that you did, in fact, try to unhitch the N900 from Nokia as an important detail. They are the manufacturer, support and system update provider you must deal with after owning one, despite his outstanding grammar, impressive literary form and magnificent outline structure. I disagree with that whole premise (not the literary one) and I made that disagreement known. Clearly you don't agree. Now we know where we both stand with regard to how important the brand name is or isn't to either of us, negative or positive either way.



Yes, sir! Right away! Try this, for a change!
Here's some examples I found from there:
http://gadgetophilia.com/top-5-android-phones/ (Look at the LG GW620)
http://blog.laptopmag.com/dr-eye-mid...-facing-camera
etc...etc..

There's a few more out there too. All sorts of variations (keyboard with resistive touchscreen, no keyboard with resistive touchscreen, keyboard with capacitive touchscreen, etc.) if you just search for them. (i.e. http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/...ndroid-phones/) Their snarky "unlike all other" anti-resistive touchscreen remark, it seems like a nice unit.

Hope that helped a bit.
Thanks for the sources provided. Not specs to my liking on all of them but good effort.

Why you keep putting words in my mouth however, when my post said nothing of the sort, is to me not acceptable. This even after already I stated that "your interpretation" was not correct or even close. This to me is very disrespectful and totally unnecessary. It is what makes these forums drown in garbage these days.

I therefor welcome you to my ignore list. And also consider yourself reported. Have a nice day

ossipena 2010-08-19 09:45
Re: Brainwashed by FUD
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
I don't disagree fully... but I fear that qwerty12 left due mostly to the inability of Nokia to keep their word and direction as well as how they regarded the community in their decisions moreso than rampant idiocy from this community. Re-read his rant, his vitriol was split between Nokia, Nokia fanboys and the Nokia Community Council than FUD and idiocy.
your point of view is a bit naive isn't it? I bet there are a lot more beneath the surface than things you can read directly from the rant.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
I don't argue with idiots usually. I tend to point them in the direction of information. If they're unable to learn from facts, then all I've wasted was a CTRL+C, CTRL+V gesture. The next finger gesture will consist of only my middle finger and no more time wasted after that.
yes, you totally missed my point there.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
No need for anger. Or stomping off repeatedly due to my perception of how bad this community has slipped.
Why are you then defending the anger from another side? your view is a bit biased to your personal agenda.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
And just imagine when/if MeeGo gets into the hands of more ex-Apple iPhone owners and the like. I assume that you will probably leave for good once that kind of user becomes more prevalent than just the ones you tend to throw hissy fits about now that oppose your viewpoint.
the point is still FUD. Should I believe your viewpoint straight away? Weren't you the guy who said no-one was working for PR1.3 some time ago? Facts or gtfo and stop yanking own opinions as a truth is my attitude

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
Simply put, **** is only going to get weirder around here. Consumers are not known for being the most savvy of folks.
well, I'm hoping that the weird stuff goes to meego.org (and they take lessons from here and don't repeat the path tmo went) and maemo.org would get more peaceful.

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
Easily.
care to be more spesific?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
Do me a favor. Take your own advice and be less of a dimwit while ever talking to another adult. I think even a simpleton as yourself can attempt civility. If not, please just go away once again in one of your tirades like some pre-pubescent girl upset her boobies haven't grown in like the rest of the girls.
nice job. either agree with you or be a girl?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
Your tireless rampage against folks that have grievances and were smart enough to do the research and avoid having it done to them again is rather pointless and utterly wasted on me.
wait a second.. in the forums the is one perso that passes that critera:you. you are not "folks" by yourself...

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
So... take your own advice child and thanks for proving that you are indeed part of the problem here at TMO; not part of the solution.
very mature opinion. black and whte and stuff. Yes I understand your situation, do you understand anything else?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
Leave the discussion to the adults. I was trying to help make sense and see what could be done about the people that spread FUD and how to quell that. Not get flamed for not being like you... angry and unconvincing at most anything other than spreading vitriol.
I am adult. What about real arguments instead of straw men?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 791111)
How nice of you. Begone, approach discussion with me once you grow up.
It is unfortunate that you think like that: "I have a right, you have responsibiles to ..."


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