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Rebski 2010-10-16 21:41

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
What people don't seem to realise is that it is possible to zoom out and see the whole catapult to target picture on the screen without all that scrolling side to side.

That works pretty well on my 5" Streak but of course will be better on 7".

It would be pants on the 3.5" iPhone by comparison.

nilchak 2010-10-17 01:54

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Much as I have been lusting for the Tab and following this thread, it seems practical reasons have thrown a spanner in my plan. I changed my plans and am going for a Android phone - considering I wanted to get a taste of Android - and the N900 with Tmobile service wasn't working for me. It's not the N900 but the crappy Tmobile service which made me take a leap to Sprint service - and thus a HTC Evo 4G. Loving the large 4.3 " screen and Android hasn't been bad so far for me (though desperately miss the malt-task view of Maemo.

So since my phone is an Android one, maybe I will wait for a Meego Tablet - as I don't want to miss out on the Meego action.
Kind of sad that I have to forgo 2 devices I was looking forward to - the Meego N9 and the Galaxy Tab.
Made me realize that a good phone with a bad service makes for a bad combination.

But hey maybe I can still spring for a wifi tab if only...

debernardis 2010-10-17 05:57

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Now I asked too much to the Pad... connected an usb stick through a female-to-female usb adaptor. No magic here, it didn't turn on its led and wasn't readable.
So no otg out-of-the-box, at least without any external software.

debernardis 2010-10-17 07:36

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
The first thing to install on your Pad is Firefox, no doubt.
The browsing experience with the current beta 4 is on par with Microb, and even better due to the large screen.
It will change the user agent with no effort and show sites like the real thing.
It's very, very enjoyable B-)

etuoyo 2010-10-17 13:30

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Carrypad have had some serious time with the Tab. They warn that it is very slippery and can easily be dropped. Check out carrypad.com for more info.

Here is their video of angry birds on the tab. The sound quality seems pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TZGyWjAM8Y

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 13:48

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 843086)
The first thing to install on your Pad is Firefox, no doubt.
The browsing experience with the current beta 4 is on par with Microb, and even better due to the large screen.
It will change the user agent with no effort and show sites like the real thing.
It's very, very enjoyable B-)

This is a great recommendation. How smooth is the scrolling for FF on the Tab?

I hope you also get a chance to install Opera Mobile for Android when it's released so that you can comment on the GPU acceleration and ultra-smooth scrolling/panning/zooming.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 13:50

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 842991)
Much as I have been lusting for the Tab and following this thread, it seems practical reasons have thrown a spanner in my plan. I changed my plans and am going for a Android phone - considering I wanted to get a taste of Android - and the N900 with Tmobile service wasn't working for me. It's not the N900 but the crappy Tmobile service which made me take a leap to Sprint service - and thus a HTC Evo 4G. Loving the large 4.3 " screen and Android hasn't been bad so far for me (though desperately miss the malt-task view of Maemo.

So since my phone is an Android one, maybe I will wait for a Meego Tablet - as I don't want to miss out on the Meego action.
Kind of sad that I have to forgo 2 devices I was looking forward to - the Meego N9 and the Galaxy Tab.
Made me realize that a good phone with a bad service makes for a bad combination.

But hey maybe I can still spring for a wifi tab if only...

Ah! Sorry to hear that bud. Hopefully you didn't buy the EVO because of impatience! But I'm glad that you seem to be enjoying it as it's supposed to be quite a great handset.

Meego should have a solid tablet offering and should be released sometime soon, so you'll have to let us know about it when the time comes!

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 13:52

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 843315)
Carrypad have had some serious time with the Tab. They warn that it is very slippery and can easily be dropped. Check out carrypad.com for more info.

Here is their video of angry birds on the tab. The sound quality seems pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TZGyWjAM8Y

Yeah, they've mentioned that before as well. I suppose we'll have to take extra care when gripping the device by its screen.

I've also heard the that Tab has wonderful sound quality via the speakers. If the hardware is anything like the Galaxy S, then the headphone quality should be quite amazing as well!

debernardis 2010-10-17 14:12

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 843327)
This is a great recommendation. How smooth is the scrolling for FF on the Tab?

I hope you also get a chance to install Opera Mobile for Android when it's released so that you can comment on the GPU acceleration and ultra-smooth scrolling/panning/zooming.

As regards scrolling, FF is as fast as the stock browser. When pinch-zooming, it takes a little bit more, but then the chars are much nicer. FF is a beta, but it's already my browser of choice on the Tab. Unfortunately no flash yet, or I wasn't able to find the way to install it.

I tried also Opera mobile - not the GPU accellerated version - but in my hands it doesn't give anything more than the stock browser, which is already quick enough on a 3g connection. And - Opera mobile didn't allow me to change the user agent the way I can get free online newspapers :cool:. FF instead has an add-on which allows changing the user agent to that of a desktop machine.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 14:15

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
One of the not often mentioned features of the Tab is that it ships with Thinkfree Office, for document viewing/editing on the go.


With a 1024x768 screen, office productivity should be VERY easy to accomplish on-the-go with outstanding battery life.
http://product.thinkfree.com/mobile/android/features
http://product.thinkfree.com/images/...eature_ss0.jpg
http://product.thinkfree.com/images/...eature_ss1.jpg

For may business professionals, writers, or students, this means that you can leave the heavy laptop/charger at home and enjoy simple productivity with on a small portable that easily fits into a small bag.

It even supports presentations, which is great considering that the tab can be easily connected to a portable projector, or handed to an associate for inspection.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 14:21

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Something tells me that Android gaming is about to explode. Which is great, as I am about to buy a Tab ;).

Think about it: With the advent of Google TV, android may find its way into millions of households, and provide hard competition for traditional gaming systems. Games will be downloadable from the marketplace, and enjoyed just as normal console games are enjoyed.

But the beauty of Android is platform agnosticism, which implies that all devices (phones, tablets, TVs, computers, etc) will have the same access to these games!

There are many more companies that are producing Android games due to the large adoption of Android phones and the coming wave of android tablets (ala the high profile Tab). However this is only the beginning as Google TV will increase the number of android devices substantially.

Thoughts?

bunanson 2010-10-17 14:27

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 843341)
...And - Opera mobile didn't allow me to change the user agent the way I can get free online newspapers :cool:. FF instead has an add-on which allows changing the user agent to that of a desktop machine.

Please throw me a few lines about changing the user agent, I want to see whether nitdroid (Nexus One) can do it. Is that the thing that allows one to fake the id into iphone/uk browser? TIA,

bun

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 18:44

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Here's a nice video showing off the camera. Apparently it's a low light situation (but it looks pretty bright outside -- could be the camera), but the quality is pretty good! Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGl0j7iqYVc

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 18:48

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Here's video showing 1080p playback on the device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqoBYDzEjI

Many files work, but apparently H.264 videos multi-channel soundtracks (more than 2) do not play sound!

Still, it looks really nice.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 22:02

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Here's a video showing the crap-tacular BlackBoard for the Tab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMNgM5hWbww

It's interesting, but this shows the potential of devices like the Tab/iPad as teaching aids in the classroom (college/uni).

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-17 22:05

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Here's a neat video showing the Tab as an aid for doctors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GofTBskliM

It shows information about drugs and their various interactions!

CaSPeR1 2010-10-18 10:22

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mesz (Post 840669)
Hello all maemo fans,

This is my first posting here.

Just want to share experience from one of my friends whoose bought SGS about 3 weeks ago.

He's SGS can't make call or can't reply to a call, even send SMS also imposible due to his unresponsive SGS until today,..getting frustated with his SGS now.

Now I think it's not just N900 which has same kind of problem (as reported by few users here),..

Screenshoot of an Android refuse to served as it should be attached!


It requires a hard reset.

Simply go to keypad and type *2767*3855#

It will reset everything and hopefully work like it should

Duncan 2010-10-18 13:12

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Good news for everyone who thought the £599 UK pricing was a bit steep. According to Engadget Carphone Warehouse are asking £530 for pre-orders.

I think I'll hold off a bit longer to see if a price war breaks out.

etuoyo 2010-10-18 14:40

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan (Post 844104)
Good news for everyone who thought the £599 UK pricing was a bit steep. According to Engadget Carphone Warehouse are asking £530 for pre-orders.

I think I'll hold off a bit longer to see if a price war breaks out.

Ha ha was just about to post that but you beat me to it.

Still far far far too expensive if you ask me. Will definitely to see what else is available.

And what is up with that talk mobile data plan in the advert? £10 a month for only 1gb? I am paying that for unlimited with 02 for my N900. I am guessing that 1gb on a device like the Tab won't even be enough for half a month unless you effectively just use it as a wifi tab (in which case just wait for the cheaper wifi only version).

etuoyo 2010-10-18 14:54

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 843519)
Here's video showing 1080p playback on the device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqoBYDzEjI

Many files work, but apparently H.264 videos multi-channel soundtracks (more than 2) do not play sound!

Still, it looks really nice.

Looks really nice and tempting. This is just what I need as I watch alot of videos on my N900 (sports clips, music videos, britain's got talent and other tv shows, etc). N900 screen is far too small for proper enjoyment of videos on the go and videos stutter quite a bit on N900 for first few seconds. Which can be annoying if you are watching a 10 second 100m race.

Just wish Samsung had not priced this thing out of my hands.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-18 15:52

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Yes, I can appreciate that the price is a little too high for most, but you'd be hard pressed to find something that has the same capability for less. It's the 3G that raises the price, though we are all aware that 3G-less devices can cost much less.

But if you look at all that the Tab can do, it looks positively cheap!

I'm going to be using it for TONS of purposes.
- ebook reader
- netbook replacement
- music player
- movie player
- home theater remote
- mobile phone
- mobile terminal
- productivity software (with my BT keyboard)
- navigation
- camera (yes, I will use it as a camera)
- gaming device (psx emu + android games)

and these are just the *category* of uses. When I consider the numerous actual uses beneath each category, the list is staggering. For me, the Tab is actually far cheaper than buying separate devices to fill all of these uses and will do it far better. Smartphones are nice, but the tiny screen makes it very uncomfortable to use for extended periods for nearly any task that requires the screen (for me anyway).

I think Sammy is being competitive with the iPad which is something that makes a lot of sense. By all indications, the Tab offers a very positive user experience and should turn a lot of heads. The added camera, android market, small size, may also put a lot of competitive pressure on the similarly priced iPad.

It appears Samsung knows what it's doing with this device.

noal 2010-10-18 16:56

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Oooohh, but I still need one!

Hopefully, by the time I get one in april, the price may have dropped slightly.

I really can't see anything on the horizon that excites me as much as the Tab and talk of dual core and 2Ghz phones doesn't entice me much yet because there are bound to be teething problems and the battery life will surely suffer and anything Meego related still seems far away.

The Tab does everything I want with a nice big screen and a lovely form factor and I just can't seem to resist!:D

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-18 17:18

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noal (Post 844269)
Oooohh, but I still need one!

Hopefully, by the time I get one in april, the price may have dropped slightly.

I really can't see anything on the horizon that excites me as much as the Tab and talk of dual core and 2Ghz phones doesn't entice me much yet because there are bound to be teething problems and the battery life will surely suffer and anything Meego related still seems far away.

The Tab does everything I want with a nice big screen and a lovely form factor and I just can't seem to resist!:D

I'm right there with you! The speed would be my only 'complaint' but it will be more than fast enough for all of the tasks that you will generally throw at it. Android apps are optimized for this class of device, so it's sure to perform well.

I think it's such a perfect balance that it's bound to pay for itself many times over. I can't wait either!

I'm very curious about the stylus and its applications. I'm hoping that it's implemented in a 'system wide' way (ie. it can be used with any app and rejects the pad of the hand when being used). This would be epic.

danramos 2010-10-18 21:30

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 844224)
Yes, I can appreciate that the price is a little too high for most, but you'd be hard pressed to find something that has the same capability for less. It's the 3G that raises the price, though we are all aware that 3G-less devices can cost much less.

But if you look at all that the Tab can do, it looks positively cheap!

I'm going to be using it for TONS of purposes.
- ebook reader
- netbook replacement
- music player
- movie player
- home theater remote
- mobile phone
- mobile terminal
- productivity software (with my BT keyboard)
- navigation
- camera (yes, I will use it as a camera)
- gaming device (psx emu + android games)

and these are just the *category* of uses. When I consider the numerous actual uses beneath each category, the list is staggering. For me, the Tab is actually far cheaper than buying separate devices to fill all of these uses and will do it far better. Smartphones are nice, but the tiny screen makes it very uncomfortable to use for extended periods for nearly any task that requires the screen (for me anyway).

I think Sammy is being competitive with the iPad which is something that makes a lot of sense. By all indications, the Tab offers a very positive user experience and should turn a lot of heads. The added camera, android market, small size, may also put a lot of competitive pressure on the similarly priced iPad.

It appears Samsung knows what it's doing with this device.

You forgot "faster, bigger porn." Remember, this isn't an iPhone/iPad where that's forbidden. ;)

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-18 22:45

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
The best news of the day? Android 3 is coming!
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog...bread-surface/

It's still rumored, but here is the skinny for new features:
- HARDWARE ACCELERATION! Yep, android is soon going to perform buttery smooth across all modern applications!
- REDESIGNED UI! This is a big one, but the Android experience should change quite drastically to be much nicer.
- UPGRADED APPS! The built in google apps will be enhanced to reflect the new UI as well as better features (eg. video in google chat!!)

Thankfully, Samsung has gone on the record to confirm that the Tab will be getting the next version of Android.

danramos 2010-10-18 22:53

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 844522)
The best news of the day? Android 3 is coming!
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog...bread-surface/

It's still rumored, but here is the skinny for new features:
- HARDWARE ACCELERATION! Yep, android is soon going to perform buttery smooth across all modern applications!
- REDESIGNED UI! This is a big one, but the Android experience should change quite drastically to be much nicer.
- UPGRADED APPS! The built in google apps will be enhanced to reflect the new UI as well as better features (eg. video in google chat!!)

Thankfully, Samsung has gone on the record to confirm that the Tab will be getting the next version of Android.

Rarrr! Where are your NOKIA developers now?? :)

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-18 23:39

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 844531)
Rarrr! Where are your NOKIA developers now?? :)

Seriously.. I like the android model of software iteration. It's not perfect at first, but improving quickly to something exceptional.

It seems that MeeGo has been in development forever, and when you consider Maemo development, it's almost been half a decade.

Still, better late than never, I guess.

danramos 2010-10-18 23:44

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 844557)
Seriously.. I like the android model of software iteration. It's not perfect at first, but improving quickly to something exceptional.

It seems that MeeGo has been in development forever, and when you consider Maemo development, it's almost been half a decade.

Still, better late than never, I guess.

I don't know. I mean--it looks to me as if PalmOS was whipped up in very short time from all the spare parts, widgets and junk left over from Palm's attempts at doing SOMETHING with Linux and even their FIRST iteration looks far more polished and smoother than Maemo ever was, and probably better than MeeGo will be. What a goddam shame. I was really, really hoping SOMEONE with money and power would take that "open source" ball on a mobile platform and run with it the way Red Hat did in the enterprise space... but Nokia has been one incredible disappointment after another and I fear that it's painted my outlook on MeeGo as bleak and cynical despite all the positive things I've read. I feel it in my core that Nokia is going to do SOMETHING awful to what might otherwise be an excellent project.

By contrast, Android took what I at first thought was garbage and turned it around and impressed me. They've also managed to open up quite a LOT more than Maemo ever did, even with the Linux kernel forking fiasco. That really says a lot about the boat that Maemo permitted itself to miss.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 00:38

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Have you all read what Steve Jobs said about 7" tablets? He said that they are DOA. A pretty assertive claim.

What do you think?

Laughing Man 2010-10-19 00:47

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
He's wrong, but that's not too surprising. There are different use cases for different tablet sizes, they do of course have to be priced accordingly.

I'm actually wondering if I will go Android or iPad for tablet. If I go with Android it would be nice to have application access on NITDroid, my first smartphone, and the tablet. But at the same time I could get cross-application access via NITDROID, my first smartphone while having access to Apple apps with the iPad.

shockgiga 2010-10-19 00:49

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
yeah i listened to the steve jobs audio too. man, that guy will say anything he likes. and funny thing is, a lot of people actually believe him.

he did have a point about the fragmentation of the android market. and how some apps only work on some handset models.

but the DOA thing is way out of line. it's not like the galaxy tab's gonna be useless right after it comes out.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:09

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Wow, this is ridiculous. Steve jobs goes on record talking about Android with more FUD than I'm used to hearing in the average day:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/18/s...out-google-an/

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:12

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shockgiga (Post 844621)
yeah i listened to the steve jobs audio too. man, that guy will say anything he likes. and funny thing is, a lot of people actually believe him.

he did have a point about the fragmentation of the android market. and how some apps only work on some handset models.

but the DOA thing is way out of line. it's not like the galaxy tab's gonna be useless right after it comes out.

I think that Google's Android has taken steps to ensure compatibility across disparate hardware. This has worked exceptionally well. I think the fragmentation claim is silly.

And yes, the DOA is out of line. He mentions that 10" is the minimum size for interaction. I guess the 3.5" iPhone is thus useless. ;)

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:23

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 844616)
He's wrong, but that's not too surprising. There are different use cases for different tablet sizes, they do of course have to be priced accordingly.

I'm actually wondering if I will go Android or iPad for tablet. If I go with Android it would be nice to have application access on NITDroid, my first smartphone, and the tablet. But at the same time I could get cross-application access via NITDROID, my first smartphone while having access to Apple apps with the iPad.

It's interesting that people assume that smaller should cost less in tablets, when the tablets are still price competitive with smartphones with much smaller screens.

Let us know which you choose! The iPad is an excellent device from what I understand and so is the Tab. I suspect you'll be pleased with either!

Laughing Man 2010-10-19 01:27

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 844646)
It's interesting that people assume that smaller should cost less in tablets, when the tablets are still price competitive with smartphones with much smaller screens.

Let us know which you choose! The iPad is an excellent device from what I understand and so is the Tab. I suspect you'll be pleased with either!

Well it won't be until sometime next year. I suspect Apple will probably release an iPad update to be on par with the Android offerings. One thing that concerns me is the iTunes integration though. I'm not a fan of iTunes and I don't use Windows that often (my desktop runs Ubuntu with an XP Virtual Machine and my laptop runs Windows 7).

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 844647)
Well it won't be until sometime next year. I suspect Apple will probably release an iPad update to be on par with the Android offerings. One thing that concerns me is the iTunes integration though. I'm not a fan of iTunes and I don't use Windows that often (my desktop runs Ubuntu with an XP Virtual Machine and my laptop runs Windows 7).

Indeed. Also keep in mind that Motorola will probably be releasing an Android tablet as will Dell. These may factor into your purchasing decision.

Just curious, what are your pros/cons for each? What are you looking for as a consumer?

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:34

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Here's a great video showing 4 popular Android games running on the Tab!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FeDrgchO4o

-Angry Birds
-Fruit Ninja
-Castle Warriors
-Mini squadron

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 01:53

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Here's an interesting video on the Archos 70 (which looks great -- I'd consider it if only 1024x600). Anyway, it shows the dolphin browser, intercontinental VNC, and some games running and is a good idea of what to expect for the Tab.

http://armdevices.net/2010/10/19/rev...tablet-part-2/

debernardis 2010-10-19 04:26

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Trying to create a new spreadsheet on the Tab, with either Thinkfree or Docstogo is an overly frustrating experience. Nothing comparable to what you can do on Maemo with Gnumeric or OOO. To be really productive on the go, office apps for mobiles have to grow an usable gui which compensates the lack of a hw kbd. It shouldn't be impossible since the multitouch but I don't know if they perceive the problem.

Capt'n Corrupt 2010-10-19 09:59

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab Info Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 844724)
Trying to create a new spreadsheet on the Tab, with either Thinkfree or Docstogo is an overly frustrating experience. Nothing comparable to what you can do on Maemo with Gnumeric or OOO. To be really productive on the go, office apps for mobiles have to grow an usable gui which compensates the lack of a hw kbd. It shouldn't be impossible since the multitouch but I don't know if they perceive the problem.

What about the experience makes it so difficult?


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