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I'm not quite so fixated on the idea that Apple is bad that I've ever felt the need to put together a dossier on their bad behaviour. BUT...

My instinct tells me Apple has a rotten core. It's told me that since the 80s, and I haven't seen anything that's changed my mind. I think their business model --- i.e. control everything --- is socially dangerous if it gets out of control, but ultimately this approach is not very robust. Apples/Macs were beaten by PC clones in the 1980s because of this; the iPhone/iPad will be beaten by Android(/ChromeOS/Meego?) clones for the same reason.

Apple is just a company, every company looks after its own interests, and I have no problem with that so long as the company doesn't wield too much power. (Apple is nowhere near wielding too much power.)

I have a bigger problem with Apple users (not all, of course). There's nothing wrong with liking and recommending a brand, but Apple has a disproportionate number of users who go well beyond that kind of thing. Like born again Christians, an uncomfortable number of Apple users feel they need to spread the word, and spread it _hard_, and I've never had much patience for preachers. They also make claims about design and usability that have never made sense to me. Apple certainly polish and simplify their products better than any other company; but polish and simplicity are not the same as good design and usability. Much mischief has been caused by this false assumption.

Apple and the cult-ure that surrounded it never bothered me in the past, because it didn't affect anything I did. But these days, ideas promoted by Apple are starting to infect my world and are limiting my choices. Restrictive app stores; locked down devices; DRM; the bundle-everything-possible philosophy; the reintroduction of subscription business models; support for royalty-laden rather than free standards; Apple-like hardware interfaces; simplicity for simplicity's sake. I'm not suggesting these are unique to Apple; but these days I have to worry about them because of Apple.

But it's not all bad. There are two things I would like to thank Apple for: the first is taking touch-screen interfaces very seriously; the second is their dedication to polishing their products. I hope the latter rubs off on competitors (apologies for the bad pun).

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i left it for a day and it reached 200 posts wow

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This thread has grown legs and a ****.
It's now running around and ****ing everyone in the ***.

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Heh...my cousin has one. He is a fat fingered 300 pound troglodyte with no fashion sense. The day he bought one it became uncool.

Ironically...he hates it too. Haha.

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My popcorn has run out. Anyone got any spare?

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Use your Iphone to call in some more :D

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With an OP like we saw, what happened here is pretty much the norm in loosely moderated internet forums like this. The only thing that amazes me is that people start threads like this without realizing what will happen.

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Post-ironic faux-confusion? Or what?

It's not OP's first day on the internet.

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Apple's not going anywhere... even if you dislike their products, the products you do like will still be measured by how they compete with an Apple product. They set the bar, and everyone else tries to play catch-up.

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What bar? UI fluidness bar and easiness of usage by mobel: "One size fits all"

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Personally I don't think there's any catching up to be done.
Everything that the iPhone 4 does has been done before by other devices.
Some bloggers/reviewers were panned for claiming that the iPhone 4 is going to have the video recorder market quaking in it's boots for having HD video recording.
The Samsung Omnia HD had already done that and the Sony Vivaz was doing it before the iPhone 4 too.
Facetime? It's video calling. But other devices can do that over 3G and it's only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4. You can jailbreak and enable it over 3G, but it's still only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4.

As far as I can see Apple have only taken the best breakthroughs from every other device, called them different names and been the first to offer them all in one single device.

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Let's see...

- countless of great concepts are conceived in many garage, labs, schools, thinktanks, companies, etc.

- a small portion of them are developed into good implementation (proto) to successfully demonstrate its benefits.

- a smaller portion of those prototypes are refined to be commercially viable products.

- an even smaller portion of them 'get paired' with the right industry players to be transformed to be proper product(s).

- a much smaller portion of that gets the right packaging and marketing legwork to make it into a commercial 'hype'.

- an even smaller slice manage to deliver on their initial promise to live longer than the 'hype'.

- a significantly smaller portion of that gets the required consistency and focus to spawn into successful lines (sagas) and retain their commercial success.

- etc.



If you think that you can 'create a successful product' just by understanding a concept. Just by 'inventing' a technology, then it's time to fill in the gaps.

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great proucts, but bad policies. if u buy it, you should be able to do what you want with it.

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It's one thing to do something first.

It's another thing to do it well.

It's a third thing to be successful with that thing, whether through mindshare, financial success, or influence.

It's a fourth thing to continue to be successful.

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Lets get back to the OT here.

This is how the world works. Everyone hates something. Whether it is because of dislike, envy, disgust or fright, it makes no difference.

Football fans are constantly bashing opposing teams, and sometimes even their own team. Smartphones allow the user a measure of control, so that the user becomes attached to the device.

Therefore he will feel the need to bash competitors. Whether it is to show off his phone, or secretly envying the other phone, or simply hates it. It is completely human. This is a relatively Nokia forum. Some Android and Apple bashing is to be expected. Apple might get more bashing because it is more popular and completely locked down (which in these forums it matters a lot).

I personally don't like Apple. I am not saying they suck, and will never say that the N900 is the best device out there. It would be simply untrue. Just like the iPhone certainly is not the best device out there.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me the N900 is by far the best device for me.

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Those are good points, Pantera, but I disagree with one. Most if not all Apple bashing I saw were either the result of trolls that bash everything else as well or a direct reply to an "apple rules" post that is inherently a provocation.

Not in itself, no, mostly unbiased comparison, launches, discussions, company politics go unhit, but registering on a Nokia forum and posting that an identical feature is better is going to atract some name calling.

There is a difference between someone believing he or she is superior and having that person jumping naked on your dinner table, genitalia flapping, claiming to wwoooooo! rock harder. After a while it gets really old.

Every now and then some person pops in and calls everyone fanbois (in spite of ample complaint), idiots, whatever. This behavior deters from open arms receiveing of new opinions.

Few "bashings", if any, happen to a well formed, thought out post. If they do, please report the post to a mod. We have enough users to not miss a few. Especially now that we have fresh rules. I am yet to see mods encouraging such behavior.

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Posting and bashing using incorrect facts is a sign of stupidity and lack of research. And I agree with you that some posts are just flamebait.

Which brings me to my next point. If you are an Apple or Android lover, and especially not a current Maemo owner..and constantly bash Nokia and Maemo or praise competitors, without ever contributing anything useful..to me you are a flamer and should respectfully leave.

No offense meant to anyone, but I never felt compelled to join an apple or android forum and bash their products and raise Maemo. That would be disrespectful, flamebait and not my freaking job. It's Apple's, Nokia's and HTC's (and others) job to bash competitors and praise their products.

I mean what do you get from such posts? Certainly not money, and most probably anger from users. It is uncalled for to join a community forum and praise a competitor. Hell I even don't like posts praising Nokia. What I like is useful threads about apps. Like for example what the Nitdroid, or overclocking or what MohammedAG are all about. No competitors. Just a bunch of users and developers working together for the greater good.

And I find it very sad that topics like this get so much attention and serious threads sometimes are ignored.

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Haha! Me too! :D

Yeah. Something is wrong here.

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They're allowed to persist, and when a mod takes action they're subject to pathetic amounts of abuse by immature idiots who think they're fighting against The Man.

The last thread like -that- was allowed to exist for one post too many.

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Apple iPhone! I love it! I love ALL the Apple products! They give me the opportunity to prove I'm BETTER than the average person who would buy them! ;)

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What do I have against apple?
Steve Jobs.
Nuff said.

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I have all the freedom to criticize what ever product i wish too. secondly mr Ysss since u started this let me make u lil aware about india

When we greet one another,
we foId our hands in namastey...

because we believe...

that God resides in the heart
of every human being.

We come from a nation where we aIIow
a Lady of Catholic origin...

to step aside for a Sikh
to be sworn in as Prime Minister...

to a MusIim President to govern
a nation of over 80 percent Hindus.

It may aIso interest you
to know that...

many of the origins to your words
come from Sanskrit.

For exampIe,
maatr becomes mother...

bhratr becomes brother,
giamiti becomes geometry

trikonniti becomes trigonometry.

We have 5600 newspapers...

magazines in over twenty-one
different Ianguages...

with a combined readership
of over 120 miIIion.

We have reached the moon and back,
but yet...

We are the third largest pool in the word
of doctors, engineers
and scientists.

we have the third Largest army
in the world.

And even then, I fold my hands
in humility before you...

because we don't believe we are
above or beneath any individual.

And...

i wish u to get well from the racist nature ur getting into.

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@sdesai
Sorry now but are you tool?
Did you understand at all what ysss tried to point out? Is it language barrier or too clever humor to you?

Please read posts before waving racist card!

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http://dailymobile.se/2010/08/30/mul...ios4-and-ipad/

:-/ Oh noes?

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=> nothing effective ;)

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Could this have something to do with it?


Click on that^ image and watch Lil' Stevie's (circa 1997) lips move as he 'splains Apple’s core values and how it thinks differently...


:)

Other comments:

...and my favorite:

Unless you're Adobe!

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@sdesai: i sort of used your own language and logic patterns back against you...

I've nothing against indian (or any particular humanoid subgroups)... And i'm not an american..

Ps: ironically this further proves the hypothesis that you make inaccurate assumptions and run with them :D but take it easy ok...

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u think u are very witty , clever.... then get a proper look at ur self in mirror..u will come to knw the misconception abt ur own..

when i said take it or leave it..it was meant for ppl who read facts of what i posted abt mac...u didnt like then ignore..u hv no right to comment on ones country.! u seem more like an apple spy in maemo community to me ::P

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You're not!?

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@sdesai: i think we should spend more time learning about new things than defending what we already know and comfortable with.

I would appreciate it if you could tell me about 'the misconceptions of my own' so i can be aware of them and correct them if necessary. Preferrably through pm.

Btw, to explain what had happened just so we don't have any misunderstandings:
1. You: went on a long tirade against apple.
2. Me: noticed quite a few misinformations in them, those of which would be obvious if you've used one the products before. So i called you out.
3. You: "take it or leave it".
4. Me: copied what you did, on a subject that i guessed you would be more familiar with than myself... Followed with "take it or leave it".
5. You: missed the point and went ape**** :D

If i were a spy, i'd be a quadruple agent... Anyway I'm still a maemo fan. But not all fans are happy fans. You know how sports fan can be disgruntled when their teams are sucking? Let's just say that Nokia has been going through a few really really dreadful seasons.

Ps: if you want to be ignored, don't post in forums!I

@gerbick: errrr..? It's karma, i'm missing your point here dude...

Ps: have you got this week's talking points from the mothership? Is it related to tomorrow's keynote?

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Hello.

Just play along with my ignorance. It's a thread derailing in progress. You guys are way too serious.

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How do you do

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You do know that I'm highlighting ALL of your posts from hereon, right?

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I haven't read through the whole thread but I just have to say this to the OP.

LOL

Wrong on every point.

Reasons why I like apple products

- Design
- Polished software
- A large accessory economy

Reasons why I do not like apple products
- Dated hardware
- An OS that is so locked down that you can't even install anything that isn't on iTunes
- iTunes
- Corporate propaganda and brainwashing
- Overpriced products

Basically Apple sell you a gold plated turd and pretend that the whole turd is made out of gold. They then tell everyone that they invented gold and turds. Millions of people rush out to buy said gold plated turd and start telling everyone how amazing their golden turd is. Anyone who doesn't praise the gold plated turd and buys a different product is then labeled a pheasant who had to settle for something less.

I should point out that I have a PSP and DS Lite so I don't get too attracted to the gaming scene on iTunes.

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Can some tell me what's the point of this thread? 24 pages and none with useful information, my popcorn bowl is already empty . I think moderators should close this thread until its not too late.

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Ah sorry about that, that's all my fault. I ate most of them. This India argument was just too splendid. Oh the sarcasm of self-claimed humility :o

Thank you!

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@gerbick: hahaha your loss






Nothing to see here folks :D






Ok.

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ysss is not an Apple spy.

He just has this annoying habit of posting comments that contain common-sense and usually a well-adjusted, balanced opinion.

Oh well! Nobody's perfect!

:)

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He's not!?

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