Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Of course not. I am the Apple Spy.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

No, I AM Spytacus.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

i dont like apple products limitations and is overpriced, their products are more like a status symbol i think its like saying "-hey i got apple product im a spoiled brat with money"

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

iphone is to much limited and i hate how they market their products

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

This is why we don't like apple:
http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ipad_best_video_experience.jpg
http://images.apple.com/ipad/gallery...o-20100225.jpg

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

blasphemy, profane, lies, deceit, phony, cheat, fraud, con, fake
wow suddenly I had all these flux of words in my head
lol.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Wait wait.. so I've read through the last few pages and I'm confused. What does India have to do with having something against Apple? Or do you have to have something against Apple if you're in India? ...or do you have to have something against India if you use Apple devices? Wut? :)

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

i havent seen this thread for 3 days and now people bring up india?

what the hell does india have to do with apple????

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

I'm not sure, either, but I'm sure it's just a bit of silliness!

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Oh dear! It appears a few people missed one of the points of your post.

Try reading it like this:

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

well i the worst people in the community are the apple fan boys, i hate their altitude, they think the iphone is the best, and everything else sucks, well they suck .
and they are all controlled by stevie .
they worship the ****** .
and they always say give me my iphone, i forgot my iphone.... they never say give me my phone !! imagine us going like give me my n900, or give me my maemo5 !!
and apple always goes advertizing ********, i remember the 3gs, they said its the best camera, best web browser, best..... while it was all crap, the iphone is made for stupid people and end of storie .
apple's altitude is what pisses me of, for example when they showed the n97 mini and the galaxyS having antenna problems, or when they deleted a.. the iphone 4's problems on their forums......
**** apple, and long live maemo5 .

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

well the worst people in the community are the [Brand] fan boys, i hate their altitude, they think the [Brand's Product] is the best, and everything else sucks, well they suck .
and they are all controlled by [Brand's CEO] .
they worship the ****** .
and they always say give me my [Brand's Product], i forgot my [Brand's Product].... they never say give me my [Generic Product] !! imagine us going like give me my [Competitor's Product], or give me my [Competitor's Other Product] !!
and [Brand] always goes advertizing ********, i remember the [Brand's Older Product], they said its the best [Feature], best [Other Feature], best..... while it was all crap, the [Brand's Product] is made for stupid people and end of story.
[Brand]'s attitude is what pisses me off, for example when they showed the [Competitor's Product] and the [Other Competitor's Product] having [Functionality] problems, or when they deleted a.. the [Brand's Product]'s problems on their forums......
**** [Brand], and long live [Competitor].




There, I fixed it.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Whoa whoa there! Settle down, Tex! ;)

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Need to stoke the fire...

So what do you guys think of the new iPod touch with 'Retina Display' 5 mpix large sensor camera, front facing vga camera, super thin form factor, priced at $199 (16gb) to $399 (64gb)?

I guess FaceTime has one thing the 3G videocalls cannot do now..?

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I like the iPod Nano - the form factor is perfect for showing album covers but multi-touch on such a small screen does not make sense to me!

I'm not sure about the iPod Touch. What is it's benefit over the iPhone - is it mainly cost?

iPod Shuffle is much better with "proper" controls but for the money the memory (2gb = £39) is a bit pricey.

I just hate that everything must communicate via iTunes.

(See! I can make failrly normal comments too!)

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Your numbers are a little off, but I'll most likely be getting the $229 8 GB version. And even though the back camera can record 720p @ 30 fps, I don't think it's close to 5 mpix. If you have another source please post it. The 32 GB version is $299.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Your numbers about prices are a little off.You should mention about 2-year contract, specific data plan (no choice), activation fee.

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fact is, never seen unhappy iphone's owner, while here everybody's upset, and telling wont buy nokia anymore.

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They should up the lowest version to at least 16gb.

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Here, people are allowed to say what they think with a great degree of latitude, and posts/threads are not deleted just because they paint a negative picture of a Noka device.

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We're talking about the iPod touch, not the iPhone.

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I agree, it's a very good feature upgrade from my 2nd generation, but still.

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ive used it. To me it just seems kind of lame.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

heh on the face of it its because apple's software philosophy runs contrary to most here and despite that they are so damn successful - in short its a symbol of the superiority of the "enemy" over the "good guys". You can rant and rave against the philosopy (as if the retail consumer cares), but the fact is that as a company they are done very well even as Nokia sux eggs - even in the antenna debacle Jobs came out swinging and tackled the problem head on, while Nokia sticks its head in the sand and pretends there are no problems.

fact is at the end of the day the worse you can do to your enemy is not to hate them - because that shows you care - instead it is to show indifference to them. if apple wasnt so successful, they will not be "hated".

i think many here secretly would wish that Nokia were half as competent as apple in tackling issues (not so much RF engineering) and executing strategy.

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Woopsies, i thought their pricing was linear. Here's the correct ones:

8GB $229
32GB $299
64GB $399

I think it's skewed to push ppl to buy the 32GB. I'd have to say the picture quality is really nice for a non camera... With geotagging apps and such thin form factor, it can be a very nice sidearm to a dslr.

@johnel: are you gonna wear the nano as a wrist watch? ;p it has an analog watch mode.

Ipod touch vs iphone (4th gen):
- No cellular
- 256MB RAM
- Non IPS, retina display
- No GPS
- Lesser quality camera
+ much thinner, almost half or 2/3rd of iphone's thickness?
+ comes in 64GB
+ 32gb touch is $299, 32gb iphone (unlocked) is $699+

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Eh? a wifi-only, high-res, touchscreen tablet that makes IP videocalls (but good luck getting video to work with anything outside the same product line)?

2007 called, they want their N800 back. ;)


But yeah, sweet hardware -- if there was a usable UNIXlike available, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Does gsm 3g videocalls work over wifi?
I've heard people who've used dsm videocalls praising FaceTime for its high image quality and (lack of) sync issue.

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In theory, no reason why not. In practice, you could only do it on a device with a SIM slot and UMA support, and using a carrier who allows video calling (i.e. not one in the US) and UMA; even then I've a reasonable suspicion it might simply not be implemented. At best, though, you'd have access to the same (rather old) codecs used for GSM video calling, so the only improvement would be in latency.

But I guess I don't see what new thing the new iTouch brings in this way; after all, the iPhone already brought video calling over WiFi (obnoxiously pretending it was the first video calling on a phone at all), the iTouch is just more of the same, right? The "been making video calls for years, stfu apple" line is a response to their claim of being first, not to a claim (which AFAIK they never bothered to make) that they offered better call quality.

I can see bragging that you're the first to add higher-resolution, lower-latency vidcalling when WiFi's available to the existing GSM vidcall support. I can maybe see bragging about WiFi-only vidcall support in a phone where all the competition has vidcalling everywhere, if you focus on your better quality, and play on the assumption that you'll usually have WiFi when you're vidcalling anyway. But I really can't see further bragging when you add the exact same WiFi-only feature to the next model of your WiFi-only product line. Again, compare it qualitywise if you like (and I'm sure it beats the N800, if only for plain camera suckitude,.let alone the codec), but "something better" != "something new". And WiFi-only vidcalling on WiFi-only devices is manifestly NOT new, just as vidcalling itself was not new with the iPhone 4.

(Of course, I haven't been following Apple news particularly well; if there is something new for the iTouch, by all means elucidate, and I shall stand corrected. :))

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Sure, if your DSLR was made in the late 90s and geotagging consists of manually entering latitude/longitude.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html

Although, maybe the wifi location service works better for you?

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@benson: lol, I see you're having slight problem just saying 'no, it can't do wifi'. I guess this matters more to travellers that roams outside of their service area often. To get it working over 3G just took a few seconds to enable it on a '3g enabler' utility.

@thetree: d'oh, I didn't know they still do not install gps on wifi-only devices. Chalk up one more 'cons' to the touch list.

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Pretty weird, right? I was expecting that too. Must be a chipset thing. (That is, if it's not already part of the chipset (like the phone which MUST have GPS by law in the US) then they forego bothering to go through the cost and effort to add a GPS chip and antennae.) That's just my guess, anyway.

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@danramos: I don't know, unless the gps chip is so expensive and big (doubtful) that it'd significantly change the touch's appearance, I think this is just Jobs putting differentiator to justify iphone's more than 2x pricetag.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Well Apple DID invent the only phone with the "Grip Of Death" feature... Before the iPhone 4, this feature was only available to Vulcans ;)

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There must be my mobile operator's cellular base station in my @$$, because i've gripped my iphone4 hard for a few minutes without affecting the signal.

In all seriousness, either i've an updated hardware revision that has addressed the signal issue, or it's some overhyped FUD that doesn't affect all of their products.

At any rate, i think it's time to use another attack vector towards iphone 4...

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I've always thought the Grip-of-Death was a weak argument 'against' the iPhone. As I understand it, most devices have some sort of flaw or limitation. Having owned an N810, I can sincerely attest to that.

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

my first encounter with rovio was 10+ years ago when I played bounce with nokia communicator....

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you have had your share of apple propaganda. Antenna detuning is somewhat big failure, but the real problem was antennaegate: faking videos from competitors devices and saying "fck off and stfu" to buying customers who had problems...

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Eh, sure - the iPhone 4 has many other flaws, but I think that the 'Grip of death' is the funniest of all: for once, Apple tried to use a different antenna design other than the design they copied from Nokia, and it ended up as a miserable fail.
I know you know deep down that such a hardware design flaw cannot be resolved by a mere software update - therefore I don't see any reason why should anyone "use another attack vector towards iphone 4" - as this one is quite enough ;)

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

Assuming you are an American, have you tried to buy songs from the Swedish Itunes, German Itunes, Australian Itunes, UK Itunes?

You should try it sometime and see what kind of a trade barrier it is. After you have then maybe you can send a thank you email to Steve? :cool:

Re: what do you guys have against apple?
 

more details please! What kind of trade barriers? Can't sell songs internationally?