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I'm getting the Ovi message on how I need to update my Maemo 5... P.R. 1.3 impending release? :S

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A portrait mode and i will be happy for ever
Nokia N900 is really amazing
Nokia Support is really suck
normal people ( you guys ) can help much more than stupid nokia

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What was that device that had a 3 way slider, sliding down would make a qwerty, to one side would bring a numeric pad, and to the other i think it brought a media keypad (stop, play/pause, next, previous etc) ?

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That's not true. Show me a cellular manufacturer which still releases firmware updates for non-flagship phones which have been released a long time ago.
The Nokia 5800 - for example - was released 2 years ago and still gets software updates.

Nokia's support is not the problem - IMHO the real problem is the inability of Nokia to set a deadline for a software update and reveal this deadline to the public.
I don't even mention a 'bugfix' list, but I think its time that Nokia would straight up in the line with all the other cellular manufacturers and start to share this valuable information with their customers.

I'm not so sure about why they don't publicize updates release dates - maybe because this way their dev team doesn't have to commit to a specific date, and then they can work without the pressure - this is only a guess, but if its true, then its a very poor excuse as the whole industry works quite well under this 'pressure', so they can do it too - and if they can't, Nokia should find a team that CAN...

I hope Stephen Elop would put this issue in a high priority, as its unthinkable that in the dawn of 2011, customers would only 'accidentally' discover that their device has a new firmware update, and will have to spend hours to find what this update actually updates...

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You'r probably using a custom User Agent string in Your browser... ;)

MENU -> Settings -> Hide User Agent... ;)

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I've read lots of reports of tech support, the physical side, being most unpleasant, haven't had experience with them myself though (when i needed them the only authorized shop is in the other side of the town, i ended paying a local repair shop to do the job instead)

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I think they have set dates before but they generally just miss them. (N900's launch, PR 1.2)

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AFAIK no one ever knew a solid firmware release date, at least not from a decent time before the update was actually released...
It always was "I've heard a rumor that the update is due to be released next week", and when "next week" passed it turned to "next weekend", and when that passed (and a few people died from over-anticipation) it turned into "in the middle of the next month"...
My point is - that it ALWAYS was some sort of a guessing game. This is NOT HEALTHY.
IMO Nokia should be able to say "The update for X will be released on Y", and if they miss it, they can apologize and set another date as the deadline and that's ok - but the situation now is that they don't say ANYTHING. NEVER...
I think this is wrong, and hope they'll change their attitude and approach to the matter, as soon as possible.

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Stop pretending, Nokia has abandoned the N900. One more update (possibly) and that is it.

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Please never ever again do that!

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why they don't like "release early, release often" ?

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Pantech Duo

Horrible winmo phone.

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the principe of a slide out qwerty that can also become a slide out dialpad is worth taking in consideration though

Like, use the corner 4-5 rightmost (or leftmost depending on whe reyou want the top of landscape mode to be) columns of the qwerty as the dialpad, reusing the buttons (perhaps have the labels for the dialpad 90 degrees from the regular letters to show when they are active) . Perhaps because of the space for the sliding mechanism (like with the N900) have a few buttons of the dialpad not appear when in qwerty mode just like how most of the qwerty keys won't show in dialpad mode. If possible don't leave out 5 way dpad functionality nor shift (like the pencil key in older Symbians) nor backspace/clear functionality; the keypad should still be just as useful in portrait mode.

Regarding the media keys, IMO they're better as buttons along the side of the device, perhaps soft shutter is play/pause, hard shutter for stop, and if necessary, long press in the volume keys as fwd/back (repeated presses would still control volume)

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Because that's a great way to go when you don't do support.

For an open project, if it's broken, you get to keep the pieces. Or, you get a refund (tee hee it's free so up yours). It is the reason my brush with Linux was so short-lived, back then my video card wasn't supported and after asking around I was told more or less directly to guy another card (back then it was the god of video cards).

Unfortunately, Nokia has tech support and if you release every week you can't run a call center. Customer doesn't know what build the rtcom-ui package is, doesn't know or care to run CLI commands, and your standard ... employee from the country they all outsource to doesn't have Linux debugging skills.

They need big bannered versions, like 1.1, 1.2 and so on, things you remember, things you can ask "Sir, did you update your phone? Yes? When? September? You need to update to 1.2"

It might be a geek-friendly phone, but it's still a damned phone, marketed and sold as one and needs to have the support one expects from a phone and from Nokia.

I'm pretty sure that if people give up support releases would be way earlier, way more often.

And then there's the liability for lost data. You see, if I install an official release and I lose all my data I can scream really loud, because it's an official product and should work. If they release weekly, they WILL release a showstopper bug and they simply don't want the liability and the publicity.

"Nokia releases update that kills all N900 phones", Do YOU want to be responsible for making that decision? I wouldn't. In fact, if I were responsible for the platform NO BYTE would ever leave Nokia without a minimum of 30 days beta testing on a decent number of devices (like, 100). Because if it hits the fan, at least I tried really hard and someone scr*d up. If i release untested, I answer for my actions. And people high enough to make those decisions have things to lose.

You think people complain about long release time now? Wait till they get a bug that deletes all they remote contacts on Google, or something. Or catches fire.

Oh dear. Oh my.

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Hm, what if they released it as betas?

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ndi,
But that is exactly why we have for example devel repository. Nokia could probably also make devel repository where it has different terms that free Nokia from all responsibilities and warn that updates from this repo might brake system.

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My thought EXACTLY!
They gave us a phone which we decide what and when to install stuff from, why can't they give us the same choice when it comes to firmware updates?
They can add a nice disclaimer with big red words on it when you try to install an update from the 'devel repo' as far as I care - but GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE! I'm a grown up ffs (even though my wife would probably claim otherwise sometimes ;))...

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seriously, if they selling the update for the N900 to MeeGo for $10 I would be happy to pay for it.

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Haha.. I agree with that one.. xD

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just a small doc lol,

Maemo Bug Jar is a weekly summary of activity in maemo Bugzilla
September 6, 2010...

http://www.octofish.net/bugjar/

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Did you just said twitter widget? or was that a typo? Because still I'm not able to login.

Or is it still in developer testing? I don't see any updates related to that releasing to public! Or may be I am wrong.

Please post the link or link to the news, if you have the working twitter widget...

Thanks

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Qt4.7 should be part of PR1.3 if i believe the gitorious Qt branch :=)

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New ovi store n900 (bottom) old store (top)

http://www.sygysweb.nl/download/ovinew.jpg

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so itsss realll the new update will cook my food and also clean my floor and will drive me to my university !! yeyeyeyee ! :D

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absolutely, you have to invent metamaterials though before anything you described can be done in real life.

e: unless you prefer something like n95 thickness +5-8mm

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just make a phone wich have keys with lcd under it. this way you can give them an other character on all ways you slide it. It shouldnt even be to hard to make. N96 allready had 2 options on the buttons for media and gaming. it used different lighting to show them.

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Well they have updated the files on the website below today so looks like something is happening.

http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.3/

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I sense something big...

not necessarily an update but a thread....

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of course it updated ... it s a symlink of fremantle-1.2 so each time an application is updated in extras the symlink have a different date.

look at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/d...le-1.3/Release ... it s still 1.2

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Ah, I see you ran into a situation where the vendor of your hardware felt it OK to not support their hardware. I don't see how you can blame Linux for that at all.

This is the same problem we hit with 3D cores in pretty much every mobile device: none of the drivers are open source which making ports with 3D support either impossible or requiring dirty hacks, or you are forever locked to a particular version of some software (like X.)

This is entirely the hardware vendor's fault.

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While you could place an LCD screen beneath a physical keyboard, such a thing is seriously locked away behind a very expensive patent licensing minefield.

This I believe is probably about the only full sized keyboard of its kind you will find anywhere at the moment - I don't think they are manufacturing it anymore though. There are a bunch of others, but these are all similar to numeric keypads, not full keyboards.

On an N900 like device, I'm not sure that it would work very well anyway, quite a lot of the LCD screen would be wasted underneath the keyboard support lattice, probably you would have refraction issues with the edges of the keys too. Maybe even poor angular visibility. The wastage aspect is kind of exacerbated by the high DPI needed to display things like Asian character sets.

No reason it can't be done, and for sure it'd be seriously cool, but it'd come with a big price tag : )

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What exactly would require such an advance in technology?

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1.3 would need to come with a free moon to stop the people leaving Maemo. Perhaps an OVI store with 10000 useful apps (no trailers), OVi maps that work with voice directions and of course MMS, flash 10 and all the other stuff missing from the N900. :)

Still I am impressed there is a rumour of a 1.3 update. My estimates will be a crimbo release and then no more support.

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I have a bad feeling I will eat lunch with bigfoot before 1.3 gets released.

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Which is why I buy AMD (formerly ATI) graphics card. They care.

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look at the bright side..with 1.3 u wont have to make lunch.. N900 will get lunch making capabilities also..just hold onto ur panties! :)

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are you sure that's really a moon? <.<

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I never could tell where they were going, actually. They burned me bad Linuxwise back in the Rage days, but I guess people/approaches can change. I lost track of the back-and-forth fighting between all the existing factions in the ATI driver land, though. It seemed the radeonhd thing might be solid, but then it turns out even the sponsored driver development hit politics, so I don't know quite where to put them. Intel is OK in that sense, except for performance and the case you actually had outsourced hardware in there, like the Poulsbo mess. NVidia sucks FOSS-wise, but subjectively has the least crappy closed drivers... PowerVR sucks FOSS-wise but has the lowest power-footprint... Seems one has to make a compromise no matter how you turn it :(

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I don't. I didn't say it was Linux's fault. I said that's where I realized that I either go with the hardware or I go with the OS, but not both. I also said that it's a typical response from people that can't help me.

Maybe if I felt strongly for Linux, I would take a hit and trashed the card, bought another (supported) one and kept Linux. And I know this is basically flack bait on a Linux forum, but with a lost 400E card I just paid my next 15 years worth of Windows licensing fees.

OTOH, with such a card you probably use it. If you use it, you're probably heavy-gaming. If you're heavy-gaming, Linux is probably not your best choice.

Fault is irrelevant. Fault is something people toss around when there's nothing else do to. Fault is Nokia's for not fixing bugs - I say that because I have no other refuge. With the ATI card, I had an option, go back to Win32.

For me support is critical, since, as an enthusiast (that can afford the bleeding edge), I NEED support, and from the second a card is released, and with full features. And the latest stuff that comes out very, very rarely has a sticker on the side that says "Ubuntu Verified". The sticker says "Windows 7 WHQL".

Oh and,
Congratulations on your thousandth post. :)

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They already gave us one, but I can't get it to display properly.

Here's a link to it.