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Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 813960)

Only the Microsoft KIN (which... deserved to die) went EOL faster. Hell, I complained about the N810 going EOL after 13 months... N900 beat that easily.

At the risk of being labeled a Nokia apologist... if you open your eyes just a wee bit beyond the iPhone you'll see that due to development pace and supply shortages, phones (especially non-flagship ones) are being EOL-d in no time. Let's take a peek at that Android greener side. HTC Hero ? Legend ? Samsung Moment ? All devices whose life expectancy was measured in months and had support levels arguably even worse than the N900 (which, contrary to what is constantly being lamented on talk since February, isn't dead just yet). OTOH Nokia in August shipped an update for the 5800 which was released even before the first Android device. At some point you will have to realize this is not about HTC, Nokia, Samsung, etc. It's about devices X or Y, and "I'll never buy a [insert hated vendor here]" will not make you immune to this problem as every vendor has more and less successful models whose life expectancy varies depending on a myriad of factors. I know and agree this doesn't make the no-Fremantle-on-N8x0 and no-Harmattan-on-N900 less painful, but just to put things into perspective.

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 813960)

It's because the Galaxy S is a line of phones, same 1ghz Hummingbird processor, same Super AMOLED screen, same 512mb of RAM and are customized per the carrier requests in terms of outer case while maintaining the same insides, et al. And selling rather well as a line of phones in South Korea, Europe and North America.

So yeah... they'll invariably do the same thing, run the same OS, and look similarly to each other... that's part of being in that family called Galaxy S. If they were markedly different, then you'd have fragmentation like no other and Samsung would probably have a support nightmare on their hands.

To me... their approach makes sense.

Nothing else officially ran Maemo 5, no real companies outside of Sygic made any software for it... I'd call it a definite one-off.

I have to question this. Was it really made for the hacker/enthusiast, or for the Nokia enthusiast? If it's the former, then that group didn't exactly buy in huge numbers. And if it's the latter, then Nokia messed up by EOL this so quickly. Only the Microsoft KIN (which... deserved to die) went EOL faster. Hell, I complained about the N810 going EOL after 13 months... N900 beat that easily.

Reports are saying that they're built like tanks, apparently "nobody" is having problems with the USB port any more and they're such a quality built phone. Are you saying that not even a year later, you feel prompted to buy another? For instance... I have had my iPhone 3GS for a year - screen is still great, it still works without incident, still is in near perfect shape. In fact, when I moved to my Captivate - one of those aforementioned Galaxy S spin-offs - I still keep it around because it works so gosh darn well as a music player and/or communication device. And with my N900 on its way, I don't anticipate the need to buy multiple one(s) because... well, it's well-built.

So why buy two or more? Conflicts with the above paragraph on some level.

I think maybe you are thinking more complex than I did. With 'galaxys' I meant all similar phones from all vendors. By getting an extra device or two, I meant to sell them or to have one as a museum piece. You know that HP-15c calculators from the 80s are sold for more today than they did back then, the reason being that no better calculator has been made since.

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Originally Posted by bsving (Post 813949)

...A special made device for the hacker/enthusiast. The normal reaction would be to get at least one more N900 while they still are around, not to curse Nokia for producing the coolest device ever.

770 was for hackers,enthusiasts and geeks with n8x0 and early adopters with n900. So real hackers can pick any from those 4 steps but 770 was the real milestone, n900 is its successor in finger usability and only improvement to the first iteration, not the real gamechanger.

Ps damn there goes my money for wetab: I got to get another n900 asap to get 2yrs warranty

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 813994)

Also very interesting to me as this is an area that I admittedly am far from knowledgeable. I come from a belief of where the underlying OS is what determines if an application can be run or not. Reading the above it almost sounds as if the OS is secondary and the APIs/presentation layer is what determines compatibility. Something that I must admit I can't quite wrap my head around.
I guess in a way Windows operates in the same way where I can on a machine running Win7 run both Win XP and 2000 apps.
However, I do admit that I thought that the difference between Maemo5 and MeeGo was much more significant - more on par with Win vs Mac.

Nope, both MeeGo and Maemo *do* show a strong Linux ancestry (as opposed, to, say, Android), technically, the comparison would be more like Ubuntu vs Fedora. And that is even without Qt, just by virtue of them both being Linux - Qt just makes it easy to abstract away the small nuances/peculiarities of the OS (and that's why it can act as a bridge towards Symbian). And really - barring packaging, DRM and hardware differences, most MeeGo apps should be a recompile away (or even less, in case of Python apps). Though, as NvyUs says - if people get hung up on DRM, then support will not change anything - that stuff is pretty low level (=hardware) so not something that can be just slapped on top of an existing OS (and something not everyone would want to).

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 814001)

Let's take a peek at that Android greener side. HTC Hero ?

I first were sure my little brother was lying when he told me he had his first update after 14 months or so to his hero. In addition the update messed touchscreen input up and his handset started crashing.

Now he has desire and other brother has galaxy s. They are not any miracles either. People here just seem to require perfection sometimes..

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Originally Posted by CodeNote (Post 813675)

so what will you lot do ?
install android ?
continue using the n900?
sell?
or will you run out and get the next nokia model?

I'm one of the lucky ones who doesn't have any major problems with the phone, and I'm not about to create one out of this.

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 813960)

So why buy two or more? Conflicts with the above paragraph on some level.

No matter how well it's built, it's a mobile device, so bad stuff can happen.

I personally know several people who switch phones more often than once a year average, because they break them in various amusing ways (dropping in toilet, sitting on, driving over, using as hammer replacement) (yes, all true stories). If they somehow manage to keep the phone working, it gets lost or stolen.

Of course, not everyone is like this, but for those who identify themselves as frequent phone-breakers, getting a spare does make sense.

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I've had the n900 since it's release and plan on keeping it for a while. I will not be switching unless another phone comes into the market as open source as the n900 and with a keyboard. The n900 is the best smartphone i've ever had. Due to it running on linux it never crashes and/or restarts. I feel like this is the most under rated phone on the market. I feel like nokia gave up on it so quickly because it was too damn good. Part of it though is because nokia sold it as a tablet and not as a phone. I'm anxious to see if nokia makes another n9xx and i want a keyboard. If there is no keyboard i will keep this baby till its complete trash.

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 814001)

No ****, Sherlock. But with a specific conversation about specific phones, such as the Nokia N900 - I was referring only to that phone being EOL slightly slower than the Microsoft KIN, but EOL nonetheless.

I didn't say anything about the EOL of the iPhone - you've injected that somehow; rather unnecessarily. But since you went there, 3 major OS's per revision of their phone is miles above what Nokia has done for the N900; only the N95 is the exception to that statement thus far.

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Let's take a peek at that Android greener side. HTC Hero ? Legend ? Samsung Moment ?

Why don't you look at the G1? It seems to still be an exception to your myopic conjecture. There are others. Want to keep pointing to the failures, feel free.

That's exactly what I did with the N900 and N810. So... fair is fair. All of the above, G1 excepted, had a shelf life measured in months.

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I know and agree this doesn't make the no-Fremantle-on-N8x0 and no-Harmattan-on-N900 less painful, but just to put things into perspective.

That ship has passed. So will this one. Let's hope that the next one doesn't pass in such a expeditious manner.

Facts are facts. EOL in months plain sucks to the consumer.

Re: bad news from nokia today

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Originally Posted by bsving (Post 814002)

Galaxy S is only manufactured by Samsung. There's nothing complex about that.

Similar phones will happen especially when they (and I'm assuming you meant Google Android phones here) are all running Google Android.

Just as there's only one phone (ever) that ran Maemo 5, it's easy to stand out. And apparently, even easier to get left behind.

I'll take reservation with the calculator remark - I'm a huge fan of my HP 48GX. 17 years later, it's still rock solid. To each his own.