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Do you know what authority he has, or doesn't have?

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You assumed - reminds me of the Simpsons gag... :)

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I don't but there are strong pieces of evidence floating around.

but you can keep this thread, this is getting more annoying second by second.

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and your racism throughout your post against finnish people is also illegal in most european countries.
apparantly you claim that a finnish pioneering company in the mobile phone business cant produce anything good as long as its still run by finns. you also claim that among the 5 million people living in finland theres not one single person suitable to take command of Nokia, and you inciniate that finnish people cant design neither, although they may speak both finnish and english fluently, unlike a foreigner who also have far less experience with nokia.

your rant just looks like racism ideas with stupidity brought from the stoneage - so stop playing modern age and start playing with your stonetoys instead :)

EDIT: oh, ok... you were just kidding around... for a moment i thought you were serious with those posts :)

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On this one I agree. And it needs to be integrated design, not hardware, software and services seen as separate entities.

The new N8 style language is quite good, though I sort of miss the inspired art deco line of six years ago...

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actuallly i also agree that things have been moving slowly the latest years.
i still remember fondly when nokia introduced exchangable cover plates with different designs about 10 years ago. its a pity that idea didnt live on... sure iphone owners can do it as well today but its sad we cant do it anymore with our nokias.

nokia was also first with letting the user install custom ringtones and some other multimedia features

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What mantra is that? Can you repeat it for me? :)

Oh God. I can just imagine that conversation:
Dan: "Hey, Mike! Say, I wanted to ask you about Finnish designs and architecture!"
Mike: "Yeah?"
Dan: "So, what can you tell me about it?"
Mike: "Nothing."
Dan: "Okay, thanks for answering!" :)

I mean, really, unless you live or have a particular interest in Finland, you're probably unlikely to hear much about it when it's placed beside other worldly designs from Asians to American to other European designs. At least, from my American-centric point of view, I've seen far more Asian designs successfully winning sales and awards than anything from Finland. It's mean but it's funny to imagine that conversation, but I suspect that it's because it's just true. :) Feel free to educate me on that.

Aren't Finland and Scandanavia just part of Europe anyway? You know, like that American guy that Nokia just hired on as the new CEO. :p

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Racism? Ha! Questioning the design credentials of a nation is hardly racism (and I might add, some less emotional members of the forum confirmed my opinion to be incorrect as there are some very good Finnish designers out there, they're just not working in senior management design roles for Nokia, instead non-design oriented Finns are!)

That's pretty much the opinion of many financial market and mobile sector analysts too, and also that of the executive board which is why they replaced a Finn with a non-Finn for the first time in the companies history.

Nokia needs fresh blood - it's not to say that Finns can't manage per se, just that Nokia needs a new non-Finnish perspective at the top.

Nokia is a global organisation - the brightest and the best should be hired wherever they hail from. Having a preference to hire from the local Finnish population will lead to reduced quality of staff and ultimately leadership - if the local Finns are the best people for the job then sure, hire them, but if not hire from elsewhere.

To some extent, yes - but once the Finns and Swedes began to bite so early it was too easy to keep it going... :)

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Helsinki is a well-known architectural/design mecca along with Barcelona, Milan, et al.

The buildings there, new and old, are stunning.

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You are amazing! Let´s just say that try it on some architect! Ask him&her.

TIP
Most of architect students FIRST study history and what kind of different influences & styles have been. THEN they start to make their own stuff. At least here in Finland and AFAIK in many European countries. You seems to completely ignore past and history. It doesn´t matter what is happening right now when we are speaking about design in general. And past design affects to design of what is beign done currently. Sometimes there happens to be some trend setters (At least one big name from Finland). I´m sorry but how much you generally give yourself time to think stuff? Try to extend that time.

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Yes, you're right, the experts of design should know Finland, but what about common peoples? Of course Alvar Aalto and other guys (I don't remember their name) were very famous at their time, and they designed famous buildings and stuff around the world. Then we have Marimekko, Iittala and few other companies with well known design here at Finland. Problem is, that most of the normal non-Finn people who knows them, didn't automatically connect them to the Finland and in fact, they don't even care where they are from, this is the sad truth. Those who knows about that this is designed by some Finnish guy are usually experts, not the common people.

In the other hand, in Finland we don't know the great designers from other countries. Example, I don't know who designed our salt 'n' pepper mills, except that they are The Design from USA (we got them as a wedding gift, from wifes "yankee" cousins). Other example, many people in the world has heard about Linux and maybe used it too, but how many of those really knows this well known fact that Linus Torvalds is from Finland and everything started here?

BTW, most of the well known buldings in central of Helsinki are designed by foreign designers, not the Finnish ones ;)

And yes, I'm Finn and I'm glad that we finally get some foreign knowledge to the top of Nokia, maybe this fresh air will blow some speed in those rusty wheels of the Giant, maybe this really means the change. Of course it is sad that Anssi decide to leave, but I don't think this is because non-meego and non-symbian future (Nokia had used way too much money for both of them to leave them out now), I think it is just because they didn't give him that CEO's post, which in Finnish way of thinking should belonged to him. But all good to him and hopefully he will find something nice to do and maybe something to shake the world too.

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Common people know this and that. Who are common people?

My posts were first to millhouse who seemed to be interested in design and tried to say some generalisations about finnish desing. Of course I thought that to before you say any general statements you have to have some insight on subject. At least in my world.

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No doubt being located in Finland you are more aware of Finnish design and Finnish designers, but outside of Finland - not so much. In the UK, there is far more discussion of Spanish, Japanese, British, American etc. designers or architects - but no Finns that I can recall from recent memory. Hence my relative ignorance of Finnish designers.

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So be happy, you have just learned some very basics of architectural design history of recent history. Next time when you try making vagues statements be very careful.

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Yeah, new ones with more performance and similar or only slightly enhanced power envelope. More computage/watt? Sure. But without less watts, it's still going to run out of juice.

And my apologies for interrupting the hilarious flamewars of nationalism, architecture, racism, design, and "banned in Europe!" -- do continue. Oh, and can anyone comment on how this relates to India? :cool:

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As I have said before, new ones are being developed as we speak. You simply do not know what Atom SoC specs will be in a year from now.

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Fair enough. I predict the Nokia device wins, because it will come with 4GB of RAM integrated in the SoC; can't argue based on present specs, or the trends of the last few months, because you simply do not know what TI SoC specs will be in a year from now. Magical ponies from Mars could invade the chip fabs at any time!

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ok. Let me write a rant against India's architecture. Please excuse any inaccuracies or mistakes, because I've never actually studied it nor even care about it. But I've read a LOT about it and I have higher than average cognitive/reasoning abilities.
Take it or leave it.

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there, I fixed it to be less fud (Fckd Up stuff from Danramos)

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Yep, those same analysts seem to think that Nokia should ditch Symbian and Meego and start building Android phones like others do. Problem is that most of those analysts seem to look at the issue from strictly US market point of view, which is not the whole picture. If Nokia is successful in most of other markets, they think that everything should be changed only to satisfy their view of US markets and effectively disregard everything else. This is why I take most of their analysis with grain (or ton) of salt.

Personally I don't care where the new CEO comes from. I only want Nokia to succeed (which is quite natural for stock holder), stay independent and keep their HQ in Finland. Elop seems to be a safe bet, I just hope he's capable of doing right things. If not, well... fortunately there won't be emotional barriers keeping from booting him out.

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This is unlikely on strictly technical grounds.

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"That's just Riisku's wierd batshit. Ahtisaari hasn't even been there long enough for his work to show in any products."

Ahtisaari has been working at Nokia before. He was design director or director of design, maybe he did or did not have the mandate to actually do something but he had started many projects (more than 20) and failed.

Then he left, joined an other company, sold it to Nokia and now he is back again.

All the best

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Can't say I've seen many suggest that in all seriousness, most seem happy with the current software strategy, it's the execution that is the problem.

While such analysts exist there are also those that give a verdict based on Nokias overall, global, performance. And it's pretty much the same verdict.

The problem is that while Nokia remain successful, the trends suggest they won't remain so for much longer. Even in markets such as India where Nokia dominate with 40% market share (by volume of sales) Nokia are facing intense competition and lost 25% market share (based on value) in the last year alone, due mainly to the emergence of 18+ new Indian mobile phone manufacturers during the past couple of years.

Nokia are being squeezed heavily on price at the low end, and need to start adding real value while also cutting costs else they will start to make a financial loss in markets where they still have majority market share.

So while Nokia are successful, I suppose it depends on how you judge success at the end of the day - turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, cash is reality. Unless the situation changes Nokia may only be hitting the first of those benchmarks.

Whether Nokia can turn this around is still unknown but Elop should be able to answer it.

+1 (but I'll go further, I don't care where anyone at Nokia comes from as long as they do the business! And if they fail, get rid.) :)

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heh, despite the fact that I think you were insulting me, I couldn't help laughing. :)

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I have seen mostly ranting about Symbian and how anything they do to it is never enough. Some of it may be fair but not all, they never give any consideration to good features of Symbian (ie. good optimization of resources so that you can actually have a powerful device that can actually be used for couple of days with one charge...). Most of time they compare it to Android. Some suggested that Elop would move Nokia to Android, as if Nokia didn't have any software strategy at all. It's actually a bit funny that they dig out every single feature/mishap on Symbian they don't like but at the same time, they never mention a single word about Android's shortcomings.

To me it seems like parroting "average joe's knowledge" on things without any deeper understanding on actual technology behind OS's and software. Kind of "everybody knows earth is flat" wisdom. This also explains why they rarely mention anything about MeeGo. Unfortunately bad information becomes fact in eyes of the people when they read it from newspaper. It's hard to fix afterwards.

Of course they are. Competition is getting much more fierce than it used to be a while ago. Nokia got too arrogant after they practically annihilated the competition for some time and now they suffer from it. However, there's no reason why they couldn't get back to competition, N8 is promising and I can hardly wait to get my hands on E7 (N900 cannot be used with crappy Lotus Notes, so it will be my personal device only). Afterall, even in it's darkest hours Nokia actually made profit, same cannot be said about some of their competitors. I have high hopes for Elop to kick some speed to software side of things, but I do hope he is wise enough not to buy that "switch to Android and make couple of analysts happy for couple articles"-crap.

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Depends...

Finland certainly is considered North Europe in Risk (tm) but their language isn't related to the other Northern European countries except Iceland.

Trying to copy Steve Jobs again ehhh... :D someone should patent this!

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The tech world has quite a lot of these incestuous relationships. Palm and Handspring are another example.

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Anssi Vanjoki will speak at Meego summit in June 2011 ?

http://www.meegosummitoulu.com/

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Well, either that keynote page was made before he left, or WebOS will start using MeeGo as a base (wink wink :) )

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You're thinking of Ari Jaaksi, AIUI Ansi Vanjoki is still @Nokia working the remainder of his 6-month notice period. That will have expired by June though, so the keynote is most probably outdated info.

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or he received a better offer to stay :)

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fyi

http://www.esphoneblog.com/2011/01/2...-announcement/

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Seems that Engadget has picked the story after it has been Google translated and mutated between several foreign blogs. Having read the longer print version in today's Kauppalehti, here's few things missing from Engadget's soap opera version.

-Ollila isn't talking to press. The whole thing is based on (in)famous 'insider' sources. Edit. Engadget seems to have edited their story and fiex this.

-Vanjoki had allready been told that he would be the next CEO. Board had also asked him to outline a plan. Vanjoki's plan included sacking all but two of the current nine EVPs. He also wanted to simplify Nokia's burecrautic structure radically.

-Elop wasn't pulled from a magic bag at the last minute. He had been the number 2 choice. Then couple of large american investment funds wanted North American CEO. So to appease Wall Street, Elop was then chosen instead of Vanjoki. Allegedly these funds also threatened to try get the board fired, if the board didn't do as they wanted.

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So.... Nokia is in even worse shape than the media has thought/portrayed.

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Or someone with a bone to pick is going to the media to portray them as being in worse shape than they really are.

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Don't really know if there's a simple answer to that. I think they are in some ways better and some ways worse than media portrays. Finacial fundamentals and basic business are on much stronger foundation that the hysteria would let one to belive. On the other hand, just how Elop will affect the ongoing transition is big question mark.

Tomorrow we get results from Q4. February 11th is the annual investor event. Elop is supposed to start revealing at that event, what has been cooking in his mind during the past months. I hope he has read that alleged Vanjoki plan, especially the part about firing most EVPs. There are many dinosaurs that need to be sent to less stresfull fern forests.

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I guess Alberto Torres will get kicked now when Nokia goes WP7.

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The reasoning behind all of the silence is starting to become clearer.

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Seems like Anssi has finally gotten bored of golfing, skiing, angel investing and fiddling with his iPad.

According to two different rumors he has been offered CEO position at both TeliaSonera (swedish-finnish network operator with 150 million customers) and at Nokia's former luxury brand Vertu.

Personally hoping that he takes that TeliaSonera job and gets some sense back to TeliaSonera's business.

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OTOH, I hope he takes over at Vertu and does a better job there than what it already is...After all its a luxury brand, people are ready to pay thousands of $ for a Vertu product yet it feels like Vertu have not properly exploited their potential...

If Anssi does a fabulous job at Vertu it would be a perfect sign of what could have been at Nokia under his stewardship...