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Reflektorfalke 2010-09-13 18:46
N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Is this old news?

http://www.youmobile.org/media/image...Images/195.jpg

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Meego OS For Nokia N900 is updated regularly on the MeeGo Wiki for developers. As we all know the Nokia N900 is the first ARM device for Meego and Nokia want to make this the First phone that will get a MeeGo1.1 Update a Document we found on MeeGo WiKi shows the release Stages of the MeeGo1.1 and its Updates from 1.0.9.9 to 1.1.0.0.


MeeGo Development During September is Focusing on 1.0.90 and Begging the Release Candidate of MeeGo 1.0.99 during late September and Early October then a week After, the release candidate 2 and 3 of MeeGo 1.0.99 with the Preparation for the Final Release of the MeeGo 1.1.0.0 on October 21 - 27. Of course, the Nokia N900 will get the Update During that week-Period from Thursday (21/10/10) to Wednesday (27/10/10).
http://www.youmobile.org/media/image...Images/197.jpg

Source

msa 2010-09-13 18:59
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
well, now that it seems we got a time-frame, i hope we dont get disappointed by pushbacks...
is this official-official?

noobmonkey 2010-09-13 19:05
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
I'd suggest the meego forums and pages for a good place for as official as you can get :)

http://meego.com/community/blogs/val...ect-day-1-here

Still suggesting october 2010 - so, pretty accurate!

Reflektorfalke 2010-09-13 19:06
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by msa (Post 815130)
well, now that it seems we got a time-frame, i hope we dont get disappointed by pushbacks...
is this official-official?
Well, its sourced from wiki.meego.com - can it be "more official"???

atilla 2010-09-13 19:23
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
maybe true but i guess it will be another developer version,and pretty useless for the all day use

Reflektorfalke 2010-09-13 19:33
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by atilla (Post 815147)
maybe true but i guess it will be another developer version,and pretty useless for the all day use
It says:
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1.0.99.2 2010-10-14--2010-10-20 RTM: MeeGo 1.1 Release candidate 3 (release to marketing, prepare final announces) Details
1.1.0.0 2010-10-21--2010-10-27 GA, RTW: MeeGo 1.1 Release for Core, Netbooks, Handsets, ... (General availability, release to web)
As far as I know, RTM = Release To Manufacture
Version 1.1.0.0 as post Relase Candidate sounds also quite promising...
Have no idea what "GA" and "RTW" stands for, but Iīd say the descriptions donīt sound useless for all day use at all...

EDIT: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_stage

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RTM

The term "release to manufacturing" or "release to marketing" (both abbreviated RTM)—also known as "going gold"—is a term used to indicate that the software has reached a point that it is ready to or has been delivered or provided to the customer. It is typically used in certain retail mass-production software contexts - as opposed to a specialized software production or project in a commercial or government production and distribution - where the software is sold as part a bundle in a related computer hardware sale and typically where the software and related hardware is ultimately to be available and sold on mass/public basis at retail stores to indicate that the software has met a defined quality level and is ready for mass retail distribution. RTM could also mean in other contexts that the software has been delivered or released to a client or customer for installation or distribution to the related hardware end user computers or machines. The term does not define the delivery mechanism or volume; it only states that the quality is sufficient for mass distribution. The deliverable from the engineering organization is frequently in the form of a gold master CD used for duplication or to produce the image for the web.

RTM happens prior to general availability (GA) when the product is released to the public.

General availability

General availability or General Acceptance (GA) is the point where all necessary commercialization activities have been completed and the software has been made available to the general market either via the web or physical media.

Commercialization activities could include but are not limited to the availability of media world wide via dispersed distribution centers, marketing collateral is completed and available in as many languages as deemed necessary for the target market, the finishing of security and compliance tests, etc. The time between RTM and GA can be from a week to months in some cases before a generally available release can be declared because of the time needed to complete all commercialization activities required by GA.
BTW, this is how Microsoft celebrates RTM version of Win7 mobile http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadge...717018,00.html
(Sorry, its german, just watch the video ;-) )

JayBEE 2010-09-13 19:40
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke (Post 815150)
It says:


As far as I know, RTM = Release To Manufacture
Version 1.1.0.0 as post Relase Candidate sounds also quite promising...
Have no idea what "GA" and "RTW" stands for, but Iīd say the descriptions donīt sound useless for all day use at all...

BTW, this is how Microsoft celebrates RTM version of Win7 mobile http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadge...717018,00.html
(Sorry, its german, just watch the video ;-) )
GA = Generally Available
RTW = Release To Web

as it is stated

1.1.0.0 2010-10-21--2010-10-27 GA, RTW: MeeGo 1.1 Release for Core, Netbooks, Handsets, ... (General availability, release to web)

mohannad 2010-09-13 20:18
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Cooool! Meego 1.1 for my birthday!

Milhouse 2010-09-13 20:22
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
That release will just be with the stock MeeGo Handset UX, not the Nokia Handset UX - the stock MeeGo Handset UX is pretty uninspiring.

Bratag 2010-09-13 20:26
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 815193)
That release will just be with the stock MeeGo Handset UX, not the Nokia Handset UX - the stock MeeGo Handset UX is pretty uninspiring.
Ahh always one guy ready to see the turd in the punchbowl.

What you have to keep in mind is the interface is just one part of MeeGo. The underlying OS is the real key. If thats good then the UX is really just sugar coating.

fatalsaint 2010-09-13 20:27
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 815193)
That release will just be with the stock MeeGo Handset UX, not the Nokia Handset UX - the stock MeeGo Handset UX is pretty uninspiring.
Maybe.. but as long as everything on it works... we can make it inspiring. ;)

x61 2010-09-13 20:27
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by mohannad (Post 815190)
Cooool! Meego 1.1 for my birthday!
Great!! Now that I know your birthday, I am getting credit cards in your name...:D:D:D

mikecomputing 2010-09-13 20:58
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
All those damn probadly utrue rumors that make people think that it is nokias statements...

have people here ever tried the codedrops of meego for n900? its faaar from ready and probadly not in october. dont expect this as a replacement of maemo5 on n900.

yes it will come unofficial for n900 but it will probadly lack alot of core features.

ofcourse its great for geeks but not as a main os :)

but hopefully we soon get qtmobility "officially" on n900 that way we atleast "insync" with N8 and hopefully many apps on n8 will work on n900 :)

maxximuscool 2010-09-13 21:11
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
I think if Nokia being a bit more clever and released this to all N900 before the release of the official N9 then it would be a WIN WIN.

Even they make it work for the N900, the N9 will sell like a hot cake if people who owned an N900 or anyone experience the beneficial of the new MeeGo. At the same time they will be able to do a free bugs testing by the community of people and report back any bugs found in the release and solve it in the final release of their new high end device.


It makes both parties happy. Both consumer and Developers can start working on the application on the release of N900 then get it ready for the MeegO N9. Even Nokia will benefiting from this.

But I don't think Nokia seeing this as an opportunity at all.

Reflektorfalke 2010-09-13 21:20
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 815232)
All those damn probadly utrue rumors
The source, wiki.meego.com, was mentioned several times in this thread.
Calling a release plan published by meego.com / The Linux Foundation a rumor? Sorry, canīt follow you here...

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 815232)
rumors that make people think that it is nokias statements...
The source, wiki.meego.com, was mentioned several times in this thread. How often do you think it is necessary to mention the SOURCE MEEGO.COM to make clear the source is NOT NOKIA?

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 815232)
have people here ever tried the codedrops of meego for n900? its faaar from ready and probadly not in october. dont expect this as a replacement of maemo5 on n900.

yes it will come unofficial for n900 but it will probadly lack alot of core features.
Why would meego.com / The Linux Foundation release an useless OS version labeled RTM / GA and totally destroy its reputation right from the start?

maxximuscool 2010-09-13 21:27
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Notebook version is already up to 1.03
http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates

yet mobile version is still 1.01

Milhouse 2010-09-13 21:27
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 815197)
Ahh always one guy ready to see the turd in the punchbowl.

What you have to keep in mind is the interface is just one part of MeeGo. The underlying OS is the real key. If thats good then the UX is really just sugar coating.
I'm just saying what it will be, otherwise people might be disappointed. The MeeGo Handset UX is available now, it's not that interesting. If you want to play with it, download it now, no need to wait until the end of October. The MeeGo Handset UX isn't as good as that which comes with Fremantle, that's not a criticism, just stating the obvious to anyone that has tried the stock MeeGo UX and might be expecting something more on the basis of this announcement.

Anyone who wanted to to work with "the real key" - the OS - can do that now, today, but most people will be interested in the UI, hence my post. It's called expectation management.

attila77 2010-09-13 21:33
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by Reflektorfalke (Post 815254)
Why would meego.com / The Linux Foundation release an useless OS version labeled RTM / GA and totally destroy its reputation right from the start?
I tihnk there is a misunderstanding here, stemming from the different focus of Maemo and MeeGo. The 'users' and 'members' MeeGo caters to are manufacturers, not individual end-users. In other words, it's RTM/GA for *those* target audiences. Think about it this way - when Linus or whoever releases the newest Linux kernel, how useful is it, on it's own, without integration into actual Linux distributions ? MeeGo is of course an OS, not just the kernel, but in a similar position - while not useless, pretty far from the 'experience' the end users will meet it in actual products using it.

Reflektorfalke 2010-09-13 21:45
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 815262)
I'm just saying what it will be, otherwise people might be disappointed. The MeeGo Handset UX is available now, it's not that interesting. If you want to play with it, download it now, no need to wait until the end of October. The MeeGo Handset UX isn't as good as that which comes with Fremantle, that's not a criticism, just stating the obvious to anyone that has tried the stock MeeGo UX and might be expecting something more on the basis of this announcement.

Anyone who wanted to to work with "the real key" - the OS - can do that now, today, but most people will be interested in the UI, hence my post. It's called expectation management.
It was mentioned a thousand times here on tmo and explained in every detail and with all consequences that there won`t be a official meego from Nokia for N900. Thus everyone here should know more or less what to expect...

But, the release date of a market ready version shows that the next steps are close, be it the N9, a community build meego for N900 or whatever...

Jack6428 2010-09-13 22:57
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Will it be possible to port the tablet version to the N900? I would like that!

efekt 2010-09-13 23:03
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by Jack6428 (Post 815324)
Will it be possible to port the tablet version to the N900? I would like that!
IMO the tablet version will probably be made for x86 processors, which is nothing like the ARM processor of the N900...
If this conversion is possible, it'd probably be quite difficult and maybe even incompatible.

Jack6428 2010-09-13 23:13
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
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Originally Posted by efekt (Post 815327)
IMO the tablet version will probably be made for x86 processors, which is nothing like the ARM processor of the N900...
If this conversion is possible, it'd probably be quite difficult and maybe even incompatible.
Sure, but we don't know the hardware of the tablets yet, do we? Maybe it's using the new ARM Dual Core CPU? If yes, it would make the port easier to do, right?

allnameswereout 2010-09-13 23:37
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 815266)
I tihnk there is a misunderstanding here, stemming from the different focus of Maemo and MeeGo. The 'users' and 'members' MeeGo caters to are manufacturers, not individual end-users. In other words, it's RTM/GA for *those* target audiences.
Yes, like Android.

wmarone 2010-09-13 23:43
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efekt (Post 815327)
IMO the tablet version will probably be made for x86 processors, which is nothing like the ARM processor of the N900...
If this conversion is possible, it'd probably be quite difficult and maybe even incompatible.
Nonsense. Done properly you should be able to cross compile between platforms trivially. And since the entire project is centered around platform independence between x86 and ARM, then there should be no issues moving between the two.

If there is a problem, then it's a bug.

MartinK 2010-09-14 00:07
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efekt (Post 815327)
IMO the tablet version will probably be made for x86 processors, which is nothing like the ARM processor of the N900...
Well, AFAIK most new tablets are actually ARM based...

northernpie 2010-09-14 00:17
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Of all the reading I have done on here I have yet to see in simple terms what MeeGo will do and how it changes everything? I can't seem to find any apps for MeeGo anywhere...In simple terms....What the hell is so good about it? Does it run Andriod apps? I have no idea why I would change my phone to run MeeGo.....any help would be appreciated. (bare in mind I know a little bit of techno speak but am not a IT specialist)

Just trying to be honest and upfront

Cheers

efekt 2010-09-14 00:17
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 815341)
Nonsense. Done properly you should be able to cross compile between platforms trivially. And since the entire project is centered around platform independence between x86 and ARM, then there should be no issues moving between the two.

If there is a problem, then it's a bug.
Good to hear it then :)

wmarone 2010-09-14 00:26
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by northernpie (Post 815355)
Of all the reading I have done on here I have yet to see in simple terms what MeeGo will do and how it changes everything?
MeeGo is a fully community-controlled mobile operating system. Unlike Android, both development and the future course is determined not by a single entity (with influence behind the scenes) but by everyone involved, and most importantly, in public. Admittedly MeeGo has had to transition into this from its start, but instead of having to wait for Google to drop the latest version of Android you can follow it in-progress (for better or worse.)

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I can't seem to find any apps for MeeGo anywhere...In simple terms....What the hell is so good about it?
It's much more "forward looking" and has a lot more in common with regular Linux distributions than stuff like Android. This lets it leverage existing software projects and frameworks, with the goal of it being easier to maintain and advance than doing it all yourself.

Admittedly the value is very technical and somewhat esoteric, but it's those esoteric and technical reasons that I bought my N900 and why I'm hoping MeeGo is successful. It's not for everyone at this point, certainly.

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Does it run Andriod apps?
Someone could make it, I suppose.

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have no idea why I would change my phone to run MeeGo.....any help would be appreciated. (bare in mind I know a little bit of techno speak but am not a IT specialist)
Unless there's something about Maemo right now that cripples it for you (IE you completely cannot use it) then you don't need to worry about MeeGo. However, down the line, you will probably be able to migrate your device (unofficially) to MeeGo if you really want to.

northernpie 2010-09-14 00:30
Re: N900 Gets MeeGo1.1 on 21-27 October
 
Thanks wmarone....a quick seach of MeeGo Apps brings up a whole heap of future on line Apps stores. I assume from your answer this is in anticipation of developers embracing the concept of the openess of the system to develop apps. I will certainly watch with interest. Thanks for your (understandable) reply.

Cheers


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