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HellFlyer 2010-09-16 15:24
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 817856)
Hazy statements that "We're not talking about MeeGo because MeeGo devices aren't shipping yet" don't sound positive to me. More like "We're not talking MeeGo because we may be hoping you'll forget we ever mentioned it."

Since hiring Elop, I still haven't heard any statement from anyone supporting MeeGo. If Nokia is still serious about MeeGo they really need to make it perfectly clear. Someone should've already said - in strong, clear language - something to the effect of "MeeGo developers, future users, fear not! Hiring a wanker from M$ does not and will not change our commitment to MeeGo or Qt."
You didnt read the article, did you? :)

ysss 2010-09-16 15:26
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 817967)
This strategy is working well... thanks to the N900. The N900 being so powerful and easily overclockable makes the wait for the N9 a lot less painful. Compare this to the transition from the n810 which was released with a 3 year old hardware to the N900. I am really happy that no Meego device was announced and even more satisfied with my N900 as it helps me to use it more extensively.
So if the MeeGo devices were on schedule, that strategy wouldn't be working well... because the early adopters (who went for the N900) would still be satisfied with their N900s and it will lessen the new device's sales numbers? (:

I agree that the Cortex A8 is a robust platform for mobile device... and maemo is/has always been flexible and extensible... and the N900 is a great fusion of both of that. But to say that 'this strategy is working well'.... well, it doesn't seem like something that was well planned from the start.

geohsia 2010-09-16 16:04
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
How successful was Sun at Software again? I remember Rich Green trying to sell JavaFX. Let's hope he has more success at Nokia.

tzsm98 2010-09-16 16:08
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 817502)
haha, I almost slipped it myself but that is probably how people really like it: protected from themselves and someone is having full control. Something like piano teacher has 2 hands on your shoulders or similar ;)

Just like with doctors, as long as the hands stay on the shoulders you are okay!

tzsm98 2010-09-16 16:21
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
I watched about an hour of Nokia World on the Internet. What impressed me the most was the enthusiasm these guys have for their products, for what they do. I felt they had a sense of urgency about the new product (N8, C and E models) and felt there was a genuine understanding that the goal is not to push product out the factory door but to enable people to live better lives.

I've worked at a company that stumbled in the 90s and went under in the "Great Economic Chickens Coming Home to Roost" debacle of the last two years (later, when I am less inhibited, I'll tell what I really think happened) When watching my former employer's "dog and pony" shows there wasn't that enthusiasm, there was a sense of urgency but it felt more like it was directed at keeping a job rather than growing the company. There was zero sense of how the product would enhance people's lives, despite much incense being burned at the altar of "the voice of customer" (apply lots of reverb)

I'm hoping that what I sensed of Nokia World is genuine and that it is what it is going to take to have Nokia producing the phones that best meet the needs of the users in an attractive and intuitve cost effective way. If they can chin that bar the whole industry and you and I will benefit.

bandora 2010-09-16 16:43
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by johnel (Post 817916)
I don't think Nokia would be that stupid.....

...actually, you never know.

Nokia cannot afford to screw-up Meego - there just isn't enough margin-of-error for them to make any mistakes.

Nokia need to start "hyping" Meego and generate enough buzz to get Developers interested.

Nokia need to think long-term with Meego its now the only chance they have left of competing in the smartphone sector.

They funny thing is they developed maemo to the point of stability and then decided to go with something new. This was a big mistake and now there is an enormous amount of pressure for them to produce something and do it fast.

Nokia need to understand that their Symbian products are not the answer to thier long-term growth. People are now expecting much more from their mobile phones.
First of all the hype around MeeGo is pretty big.. and what? they decided to go with something new?? MeeGo isn't "new" in a sense.... It's really what Maemo + Moblin is right now + more.. (Since Moblin and Maemo were really similar in many ways).. Also it's a really good thing that MeeGo is being developed NOT just by Nokia but also Intel.. and finally MeeGo should be more open than Maemo which is also a plus.. so it's really not a "big mistake" it's more of a "big advantange".

Not to mention that the N9 will have the Harmattan software on it.. so it really is Maemo 6...

ossipena 2010-09-16 16:52
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 817856)
If Nokia is still serious about MeeGo they really need to make it perfectly clear. Someone should've already said - in strong, clear language - something to the effect of "MeeGo developers, future users, fear not! Hiring a wanker from M$ does not and will not change our commitment to MeeGo or Qt."
so ux(or what was it? Something essential anyway) chief from palm to nokias meego project is nothing?

danramos 2010-09-16 17:11
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by tzsm98 (Post 818011)

Just like with doctors, as long as the hands stay on the shoulders you are okay!
With apologies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aRtWaHwzGw

daperl 2010-09-16 17:25
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 817979)
I agree that the Cortex A8 is a robust platform for mobile device... and maemo is/has always been flexible and extensible... and the N900 is a great fusion of both of that. But to say that 'this strategy is working well'.... well, it doesn't seem like something that was well planned from the start.
Nice. Next to perfect. This is exactly why the N900 is such a great fail. Now, negate everything you said and substitute /ARM11, Symbian, N97/ for /Cortex A8, maemo, N900/, and we nearly have the perfect explanation why the N97 was such a bad fail.

jflatt 2010-09-16 17:36
Re: Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 818004)
How successful was Sun at Software again? I remember Rich Green trying to sell JavaFX. Let's hope he has more success at Nokia.
How about HUGELY successful? Solaris, Java, OpenOffice, MySQL, VirtualBox. Their business was worth many BILLIONS of dollars. WTF?


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