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Texrat 2007-07-29 08:01

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 63703)
Please, no. If I wanted a gaming device, I'd get a DS; a business PDA, I'd get a Palm; a PMP, I'd get an Archos, but I don't want any of those things, I want an N800--a Linux computer that fits comfortably in your pocket and will do nearly anything a laptop will do at a small fraction of the size, cost and inconvenience of a laptop. Nokia needs to focus on making the hardware fast (and efficient!) enough, and the software robust enough to suit almost any mobile computing situation. Product-line specilization will only degrade that goal (especially since I want to do all 3 things on my device).

That sort of abstraction seems like more of a software issue, anyway, which basically means you're crippling each device individually and reducing overall sales compared to a jack-of-all-trades device.

Aside: anybody else notice that text entry on the new browser is really buggy?

Dude. If there are 3 different devices, you pick the one that fits your needs, ie, in this case the general N800. I fail to see how offering MORE choices is a problem...? You seem to think I advocate eliminating a multiuse device to have nothing but specialty tablets. Nope.

No one is talking about crippling anything-- just extending the line (which is inevitable). And specialization doesn't degrade the goal. If it did, we'd be selling only one type of phone. ;)

YoDude 2007-07-29 13:12

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
With the external MMC positioned on the bottom the N800 does lend itself to the idea of slip on, specialty use, jackets...

If the MMC cover was removed and the a software switch is used I could see a gamers jacket with side controls, a USB host jacket, a port replicator jacket, and even a cell phone or other Wireless connection jacket... all using SDIO to interface with the dang thing.

swing 2007-07-29 14:59

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 63876)
Dude. If there are 3 different devices, you pick the one that fits your needs, ie, in this case the general N800. I fail to see how offering MORE choices is a problem...?

It might be a problem if certain applications (eg PIM tools) were only available on one of the hardware platforms. Given the current nature of the way applications can be downloaded and delivered, I suspect it would be possible to get the apps installed on the other devices. However, not offering that level of flexibility would concern me.

Texrat 2007-07-29 17:49

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
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Originally Posted by swing (Post 63916)
It might be a problem if certain applications (eg PIM tools) were only available on one of the hardware platforms. Given the current nature of the way applications can be downloaded and delivered, I suspect it would be possible to get the apps installed on the other devices. However, not offering that level of flexibility would concern me.

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I still fail to see the problem.

If you continue producing a general purpose device like the N800, and then add some slightly or highly specilaized devices to the product line, so what if one device has difficulties running an application not intended for it?

Also, who said the OS wouldn't be platformed? That was actually part of the idea. So if an application couldn't run on one variant, it would likely be due to a hardware limitation, such as a camera missing from the enterprise version.

Some of the responses to expanding the product line quite frankly mystify me. The sort of thinking espoused would have certainly restricted cell phone offerings...

GeneralAntilles 2007-07-29 17:56

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 63876)
Dude. If there are 3 different devices, you pick the one that fits your needs, ie, in this case the general N800. I fail to see how offering MORE choices is a problem...? You seem to think I advocate eliminating a multiuse device to have nothing but specialty tablets. Nope.

Specialization REQUIRES that not every device have all the functionality of the platform. Unless, that is, your:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 63676)
-General multimedia (current N800)

device is actually the most expensive of the bunch and offers all the features of the two other devices (which doesn't seem to be the case, as "General multimedia" is not the same thing as "ultimate, unlimited super device" ;)). What seems to be implied by your post, though, is that each device would have a specific set of hardware and software features that would lend it to gaming, multimedia, or business usage, but, I want the device that can do all 3 without a lot of compromises.

swing 2007-07-29 20:32

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 63943)
I want the device that can do all 3 without a lot of compromises.

Indeed, and Texrat - this was my point in general. I understand the hardware limitations can easily play a part, but I don't understand your "let's put a different OS into each device" - why not use a common OS, have common application repositories (or at least continue the easy cross compile capabilities), and allow the user to choose what additional apps they install or don't install...?

eg Out of the three types listed, I would want a combination of the Enterprise and Communications (General) versions, and could easily sacrifice some Multimedia (Gaming) capabilities. If I had to choose between Enterprise and Communications, then I might be inclined to choose a different manufacturer who provided what the consumer (or at least this consumer) wants.

I think I was possibly thinking of it the other way round to you - say Nokia produced an Enterprise version with PIM capabilities - it would seem wrong to me to not allow the other devices in the range to have PIM capabilities installed, although it might need payment of a license fee. Saying "you can either have a camera, video calling and Skype OR you can have PIM apps" would encourage those who want both to look elsewhere (in my opinion).

I see no harm in Nokia expanding the range, and it's free to do so however it likes, but it can either make it easier for itself, or make it harder.

LordFu 2007-07-29 20:51

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
As long as more devices doesn't fracture the platform, I think it's a good idea. I want a N800 with gaming controls, and games, damnit. ;p

swing 2007-07-29 21:05

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
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Originally Posted by LordFu (Post 63972)
I think it's a good idea. I want a N800 with gaming controls, and games

Which is interesting, as I don't :)

So, expanding the range makes sense to capture a greater range of users, as long as existing ones aren't alienated :)

Naranek 2007-07-29 22:47

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
From UI perspective I think that there should be at least two interface models. One for simple "do one thing well" type of programs, and other for complex programs like spreadsheet. The simple one could be optimised for use without stylus, and the other one with stylus in mind. If a program doesn't fit well in either category, it could have both interfaces with some features hidden in the simple version. That way the interface wouldn't have to compromise between these two worlds.

Oh, and I'm definitely for the right hand hardkeys. They would enable gaming on a totally different level, but could be programmed to bunch of things in regular programs too.

Texrat 2007-07-30 00:35

Re: Tablet Advocacy
 
You guys are killing me. You are really, really reaching to try to discredit my suggestion. So far not a single contradiction has held any water, though.

I never once said the general tablet should be affected by expansion.

I never once suggested different OS on each device.

I also never implied that a general purpose tablet (ie N800) should go away altogether, just in case that turns out to be another bizarre interpretation of my statements.

We have the N800 now. If you're happy with that device, GREAT! So am I. But just because you may not want a new variant created, why deny other customers that privilege. Arnim was once again on target: more variation/functionality means more customers, which means larger base, which make sit easier for Nokia to provide resources for the platform, etc etc etc.

But if any of you truly believe that ADDING devices to the family will automatically be a bad thing, you're gonna have to scrape up some better arguments than the ones so far...


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