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I was disapointed in the OVI site because they don't even allow you to select the N8x0 as a device for participation.

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fragos, in what aspect?

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Sorry to hear that. I'm a huge fan of the tablets too since I was gifted on last year. I really think Nokia is onto something with these devices, and am nothing but excited about what I hear about the forthcoming designs. Hope you find good work soon. :)

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When you enter the site it gives you a series of steps to prepare for use. 1st is to identify your device -- Internet Tablets weren't in the list. It appears that the site expects user devices to be smartphones with cell modems. Perhaps some of the features will work but they imply they won't by excluding the tablet.

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They don't even support their phones. I have a 6110 Navigator, which is a S60 3rd Edition device. It's not in the list. Neither is my N800. Obviously, they don't want me to use Ovi.

It's ridiculous. They announced Ovi on August 29th, 2007. Now it's January 2009 and I still can't use it with any of my Nokia-devices. Browse through support forums about Ovi, and you'll see that people complain about various problems like complete loss of data etc.

I wonder how much malice it takes to make somthing so simple (basically it's upload/download & sync, isn't it?) so completely unusable.

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I got the following from OVI support wwhen I left them a message on my disapointment:

Please be advised that Ovi.com supports SyncML enabled mobile phones. SyncML is a data synchronization capability which is required to synchronize data from mobile device to Ovi and vice versa. Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets does not support SyncML, therefore these devices are not supported by Ovi.

For more information, please visit our website at the address below for more information and support on OVI:

http://www.ovi.com/care

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But-- SyncML is simply an XML standard! WTF???

From the wiki page:

Also, Maemo currently supports SyncML for Contacts and calendar at least (just not the other aspects).

Someone at Ovi is blowing smoke. Time to blog again! grrr...

(Fragos, you should email them back with what I show here) Nevrmind I did.

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Here's one for fans of college football and/or ironic humor: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...n-in-oklahoma/

;)

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This is one of the typical nonsensical answers you get from support people. I do sync my N800 via SyncML with scheduleworld.com, so yes, it does support SyncML. (Via a third party add-on, but this only proves that SyncML is only a matter of software, not a matter of the device supporting it.)

The underlying problem with ovi is that they restrict it to certain models at all. This is not how SyncML works. SyncML is an established standard, and clients only need to know a few settings about the server in order to make a connection and exchange data.
For whatever reason, Nokia doesn't tell you these settings for Ovi but insists on sendig you a text message that will configure your - phone. Phone because "sending a text message" of course by definition rules out all other devices such as Internet Tablets or desktop PCs.

This means you cannot (by design) use Ovi to

• sync your PC with your laptop
• sync your phone with your N800
• sync your N800 with your PC
• sync two phones if one of them is not in the list of supported devices (even though it perfectly supports SyncML)
• ...

and will never be able to do so, no matter how much they improve it.

I don't see much use in this service, then.

(BTW, I tried Share on Ovi during the last days. They fail to interpret geotags in the EXIF-information of images correctly. The bug is known since early 2008, but is not being dealt with. Support forums are closed until further notice. What is this? A tiny startup with 3 people working on it in their spare time?)

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Thank God for open source and Linux on my desktop, laptop and in my pocket. I do as I please and everything plays together nicely. Using GPE on all of them makes it even easier.

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Here's what I sent:

Ovi support's response shows they now agree with Benny:

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A fun little exercise-- what does the image below suggest to you (sjgadsby-style replies cringed at but tolerated):

http://www.cynicalsigns.com/images/jablet-tf.gif

EDIT: I was kidding about the replies. Sorry that didn't come across.

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I'm not sure what to make of this. I suppose I should reevaluate my posting style.

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The SyncML reply does make sense from Nokia's point of view. The device does not officially support SyncML. Nokia support is not able to always know what 3rd party software runs well or is ported or used. You cannot demand that from them.

Ovi definately has its quirks. Its great you're contacting Nokia about this particular issue. I'm looking forward learning how N8x0 users like Ovi.

Some things work better on Maemo than on S60. For example, Nokia Messaging does not even support IMAP over SSL. Modest, and even the old mail client, do support this. The default mail client on my E71 does support it though. (???).

Someone of Asian descent with a big mouth using some Very Good Stuff. Perhaps open source crack...

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"This is your mind on crack?"

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Hee... just giving you a hard time! :p

Don't change a thing.

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It suggests to me that the N900 will have a one-row keyboard.

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I hope it's name isn't Bob.

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*sigh* LOL.

I'm working on a rating system for tablet-friendly sites. That is my working version of the maximum award. ;)

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Now I understand. Would the smiley face change to a frown as the stars went away?

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Not so much a frown, but a mix of confusion and frustration. Can you capture that kind of nuance with a "smiley" face? I hope so.

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Yes it would, by degrees.

Of course! But I may try something else instead...

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Post Sub-Title: Speaking of Images... (a.k.a. More Off-Topic Opinions I Should Have Kept to Myself)

texrat: For being such a prolific poster, you get an A+ for keeping that disturbing avatar the same since I joined this forum. I mean, is that sewer sludge dripping off that whisker? And now you're getting into image creation; extra primo good.

qole: And for you being such a prolific poster, you get a D+ for not keeping your original avatar. That self-taken photo was disturbing on the scale of a David Lynch dream sequence. Who or what do you think you are: mainstream? Not! Have some texrat balls; bring it back.

This was all done in fun love, not mean hate. Peace out.

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Yeah, I miss qole's Quentin Tarantino impression... but I am thinking of designing him a newly disturbing avatar.

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Here's your opportunity to see what's working at my new blog: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...-with-numbers/

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Oh, that's *your* blog? Why didn't you say so...adding blog to my subscriptions on google reader.

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I have. In a few posts here, and lately in the signature of every post.

And thanks. :D

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I'm feeling the hate! :D

I checked the feed on Planet maemo (http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/) and saw I'd earned 2 thumbs down on my latest blog article (http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...-with-numbers/). I'm wracking my pea brain to figure just what about the post was deemed offensive by a couple of readers but maybe I shouldn't sweat it.

I actually think it's more funny than anything in my case... except that I've seen thumbs down numbers on the articles of other members that absolutely did not deserve it. I'm talking about helpful articles that contributed toward the maemo community. WTF, people? Why the hate?

EDIT: discussion moved to http://internettablettalk.com/forums...ad.php?t=26174

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I'm taking a vacation, later.

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Hey gang, long time no post.

First I want to thank everyone who has sent kind wishes as well as those visiting my blog. I truly appreciate it.

Second, I want to apologize for "melting down" a while back. I should never post anything, anywhere when I'm that stressed. That was a mistake.

But I also want to clear up some misconceptions. The first is that contrary to a certain accusation, I am fully capable of separating issues specifically involving me versus the macro stuff. If I couldn't, I'd have never been able to perform my role for Nokia as a data analyst. So when I say I'm conducting a poll to gather feedback on a broad scope and not particular to anything I've done, you can bank on it. ;)

I also want to reply to the allegation I was acting in spite. This is also untrue. The overwhelming driver for me at that point in time was frustration... and continues to be as I search for work (going on 6 months now). FYI, I just somehow blew a perfect opportunity with Nokia Seimens Networks and that doesn't help.

Anyway, I miss the great conversations here but as time goes on and separates me from my employment with Nokia I'm finding that I don't really have anything to contribute regarding the tablets. I have no teasing tidbits nor the time anymore to teach myself the deeper secrets of the product line. Trying to find employment and working on my music is consuming the bulk of my time.

Nokia is apparently going to employ Foxconn to build netbooks in our old factory (Alliance) and I am of course angling for a spot there. If I am so fortunate, maybe I'll be relevant again. :D

Perhaps I'll pop in from time to time if I have something worth contributing. I hope those visiting my blog will start leaving comments as I value what you have to say. You guys are great.

Thanks.

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Good to hear from you, texrat!

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Please do keep visiting, Texrat!

You don't need to drop teasing tidbits or know the "deeper secrets" of the product line to participate around here...

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maemo/Maemo/maemo.org/Maemo.org/maemo.Org should simply hire you as a paid talkmaster. they have bug-/deb-/doc-/...whatevermasters, they'll need somebody for this forum as well. (in fact, as far as i know, they already announced they'd like to have more forum admins in the future.) and the last months were proof that when you're not taking care of us, this place isn't half as nice as it used to be. ;)

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Too long. I know I've missed you and your contributions. I imagine others feel similarly.

While your taunting was always enjoyable, you've contributed much more here and elsewhere in the Maemo community than just "Hee hee." I hope you realize that and return here as you're able. You need not become a kernel hacker to continue to launch, encourage, and add to discussion. Your intelligence and creativity have been, and still are, appreciated here even more than your mischievous teasing.

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I am an idiot. :D

Again, you guys are great. Thanks.

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Welcome back!

We just need your brand of humour, not hints about Nokia's tablets :D

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Yeah, you were never really any good at that hint-dropping thing anyway. :) Just come hang out. Texrat is part of the spice of life. But there is one condition, you may not change your avatar.

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Good to see you around again, Tex. Your musings on Tabula Crypticum are always interesting and thought-provoking, but it's not the same as plain old banter here, as it were, around the counter :-)

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There was definitely a voice missing in here over the past few months. Good to see a Texrat post. The Nokia netbook stuff is interesting I wonder if they are going to just be a 'me too' netbook maker or if they have any interesting innovations to bring to the table. I would hope with their expertise on mobile internet usage they are developing new ideas.

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Thanks Mobile. I hope to be able to tease you guys about Nokia netbooks soon... :D