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longcat 2010-10-15 07:50
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 841690)
maybe we can get an intergalactical teleporter with pr1.3, it teleports u to the end of the galaxy. :D
to the end of (samsung) galaxy? :P

maxximuscool 2010-10-15 08:05
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 841643)
who exactly is "they"?
They = You and Nokia and TI. If that answered your question.

cjp 2010-10-15 08:08
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
This keeps coming up again and again in this thread so I'll say it out loud: Intel has officially confirmed that MeeGo powered phones won't come until Q2 of 2011. Tablets, notebooks and fridges (or smthn) will come out sooner.

for eg.: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/07/i...a-just-shrugs/

Original source was something nbetter than Engadget, but I'm on the move so this'll have to do.

F2thaK 2010-10-15 08:22
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
thats okay, it gives me/us time to save up for this so called "N9" which will be pricey (but worth it)

maxximuscool 2010-10-15 08:41
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 841709)
thats okay, it gives me/us time to save up for this so called "N9" which will be pricey (but worth it)
I really have my doubt on "Worth it" part mate.
Nokia always behind competitors in term of OS and hardware. Usually Nokia selling an underpowered device at higher price or equally the same as the competitors.

Eg: N97-mini is the same price as NexusOne and almost the same as Iphone4.

Specs wise Nokia got a lot of small pieces in one package but high spec wise Nokia have ARM11 and low RAM.

Not sure if N9 is going to be over the competitors when we are talking about specs and OS here. Also supporting the device may be the biggest part. Apple has world wide warranty, Droid I don't know, but Nokia is country wise warranty.

N9 will be a undoubtedly expensive and the hardware will not surpassing any devices released in the same year. Question is should we still trust in Nokia to be the early adopter of MeeGO? From Maemo5 point of view (early adopter), it left a big Question mark on my forehead.

Hmm... A8 Processor... Hmm..."?"

smoothc 2010-10-15 09:06
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 841722)
Apple has world wide warranty
What planet are you talking about?

elie-7 2010-10-15 09:09
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by longcat (Post 841692)
to the end of (samsung) galaxy? :P
the end of every android, iphone, wp7... out there.
PEOPLE I DECLARE U THE WINNERS OF THE SMARTPHONES WAR, LONG LIVE THE NOKIA N900 .

ChoMar 2010-10-15 09:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Just found something at Heise (german)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...t-1107850.html

or in English
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...0-1107926.html

(dont know if anyone has posted this already, didnt find it)

So Dualboot is going to be implemented in 1.3 to support MeeGo. Good think, sounds as if our little magic device will somehow be supported by MeeGo. Still no built-in Deathray, though.

vivmak 2010-10-15 09:45
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 841709)
thats okay, it gives me/us time to save up for this so called "N9" which will be pricey (but worth it)
N9 will not be pricey, it will be free replacement of n900 LOL.;)

maxximuscool 2010-10-15 10:01
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothc (Post 841747)
What planet are you talking about?
Gliese? of cause EARTH... *Your sarcasm doesn't work by the way.

maxximuscool 2010-10-15 10:06
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChoMar (Post 841764)
Just found something at Heise (german)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...t-1107850.html

or in English
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...0-1107926.html

(dont know if anyone has posted this already, didnt find it)

So Dualboot is going to be implemented in 1.3 to support MeeGo. Good think, sounds as if our little magic device will somehow be supported by MeeGo. Still no built-in Deathray, though.
I think you're about 247 posts late. Pay attention to the thread title!!! And read the first post.

Matan 2010-10-15 10:11
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slender (Post 841651)
Who knows. Probably chips manufactures and subcontractors. Maybe maximuscool wishes that those parties have weak moment and they give Nokia permission to release their drivers as OS.

Or maybe not. :|
You are as wrong as can be.

There is one third party closed driver (SGX), the rest of the closed code (which is most of maemo 5) is code by Nokia which is closed by Nokia decision.

Just to show you how stupid this claim that Nokia wants stuff open, but is forced to close by third parties:

770 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N800 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N810 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N900 - TI power chips - closed BME - can be replaced, because we have all the needed information.

See the difference between Nokia and third parties?

maxximuscool 2010-10-15 10:14
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 841785)
You are as wrong as can be.

There is one third party closed driver (SGX), the rest of the closed code (which is most of maemo 5) is code by Nokia which is closed by Nokia decision.

Just to show you how stupid this claim that Nokia wants stuff open, but is forced to close by third parties:

770 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N800 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N810 - Nokia power chips - closed BME - can't be replaced.
N900 - TI power chips - closed BME - can be replaced, because we have all the needed information.

See the difference between Nokia and third parties?
Thank Matan for the infor. OpenSource Device.. Opensource OS but yet closed Apps and Drivers lol. How is that Opened according to GNU? Nokia is very silly. Not much we can do. Got to live with the controlled environment.

kureyon 2010-10-15 10:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 840912)
Adobe has an partial or complete update available and are happy to sell it to Nokia.
That's low. They're begging Jobs to take it for the iphone, and yet they're trying to sell it Nokia?
:rolleyes:

HumanPenguin 2010-10-15 10:28
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 840575)
You N900 folks are kind of l like modern day HAM radio hobbiest ;)

In Nokias limp defense, they did say this device and OS were a stepping stone.

The irony is all they had to do was release Flash 10.1 and a lot of the other accumulating issues would be forgotten. How hard world that have been?
Some of us are Ham Radio Hobbyists.

The death of HAM is a little exaggerated. It is defiantly smaller in modern times but there are still a few million of us around the world.

AlMehdi 2010-10-15 11:05
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 841722)
I really have my doubt on "Worth it" part mate.
Nokia always behind competitors in term of OS and hardware. Usually Nokia selling an underpowered device at higher price or equally the same as the competitors.

Eg: N97-mini is the same price as NexusOne and almost the same as Iphone4.

Specs wise Nokia got a lot of small pieces in one package but high spec wise Nokia have ARM11 and low RAM.

Not sure if N9 is going to be over the competitors when we are talking about specs and OS here. Also supporting the device may be the biggest part. Apple has world wide warranty, Droid I don't know, but Nokia is country wise warranty.

N9 will be a undoubtedly expensive and the hardware will not surpassing any devices released in the same year. Question is should we still trust in Nokia to be the early adopter of MeeGO? From Maemo5 point of view (early adopter), it left a big Question mark on my forehead.

Hmm... A8 Processor... Hmm..."?"
Ehh... what have you been smoking. The n900 was awhile the most powerful. Now you'll get most power per dollar. In Sweden you could buy the n900 for 5000 sek and the Nexus for 7000 sek. Now i think the n900 goes for 3000-3500 sek.

Apple are famous to overprice.. they normaly take double the price for what it is worth.

jnack95 2010-10-15 11:36
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 841786)
Thank Matan for the infor. OpenSource Device.. Opensource OS but yet closed Apps and Drivers lol. How is that Opened according to GNU? Nokia is very silly. Not much we can do. Got to live with the controlled environment.
Or quit whining, learn assembler and write your own drivers! I don't really care if they don't want to share their code for their devices, as long as they provide current binary drivers for use.....the idea that everything has to be open source is not practical.

HumanPenguin 2010-10-15 11:41
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 840813)
I'm very glad like everyone else here in this thread about the news of MeeGo at N900. The N900 is the best device they've ever made.

However, one thing confuses me a bit, what way is Nokia going to take when they now have both Symbian 3 and MeeGo. Are they going to divide their phones in two segments, where some get Symbian, and some get MeeGo. Isn't that somewhat confusing on their market focus, especially since they should keep themselves strong in the competition, iOS, Android and now Windows Mobile 7.
I'm curious about what strategy they have in mind.
Nokia has answered this in the past.

Hinted at all future N Series devices being MeeGo but that is not sure. We may see Symbian^4 on an N Series in the future

But yes Symbian and Meego will run in parallel.

Symbian 3 and 4 will continue to be a smartphone OS Nokia Meego Devices will be thought of more as pocket computers.

Having seen some Leaked images of the N9 in other threads (to be taken with a pinch of salt). The device very much looks along those lines. Think 4inch MacBook with phone functions.

If Nokia goes this way I will be very happy. This is exactly what I want from a phone. But I think I am a small user base.

notaridavid 2010-10-15 11:54
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Hi Everyone,

Anyone knows what will contain/change PR 1.3 ?
I read all post but I didn't get any answer.

thanks.

volt 2010-10-15 12:17
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 841788)
That's low. They're begging Jobs to take it for the iphone, and yet they're trying to sell it Nokia?
:rolleyes:
Why do you think Jobs went apeshot on Adobe in the first place? Because he thought the world would be a better place if his products no longer could appeal to users who wanted to play flash games?

No. Because he didn't want to pay over and over again for updates.

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 12:40
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 841854)
Why do you think Jobs went apeshot on Adobe in the first place? Because he thought the world would be a better place if his products no longer could appeal to users who wanted to play flash games?

No. Because he didn't want to pay over and over again for updates.
Wrong.
He want's the people to buy apps'n'games via the appstore to get his 30% fee on every sold app.
Including Flash would partly prevent that.
For example I'm using a photoshop like flash application on my N900 and a Poker-game and a Blackjack-game, too.

longcat 2010-10-15 12:54
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 841854)
Why do you think Jobs went apeshot on Adobe in the first place? Because he thought the world would be a better place if his products no longer could appeal to users who wanted to play flash games?

No. Because he didn't want to pay over and over again for updates.
noo... your first assumption is right. he wants to be alone and one in world of mobile (apple) techs, so he can continue to dictate rules his fanbois religiously follows.

Straycat 2010-10-15 13:03
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 840995)
My goal is to make it simple:

* Flash a bootloader to kernel area.
* Write a MeeGo image to microsd.
* If microsd is inserted at boot, MeeGo starts
* If not, Maemo starts.

.. is that easy enough?
YEAH for me!!!

lsolano 2010-10-15 13:18
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
I think, regarding all those news, what really (only) gives me some hope is this:

Quote:
There is also a possibility of developing applications supporting both operating systems, based on Qt and Qt Mobility APIs on the Maemo side. It means that you can develop once in PC with Qt Creator, and test your applications on both Maemo and MeeGo, directly on your N900 device!
So, we will have more apps in our maemo/n900, thanks to the meego developers.

benny1967 2010-10-15 13:32
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lsolano (Post 841896)
I think, regarding all those news, what really (only) gives me some hope is this:



So, we will have more apps in our maemo/n900, thanks to the meego developers.
that's not new, though, is it?

pelago 2010-10-15 13:44
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 840995)
* If microsd is inserted at boot, MeeGo starts
* If not, Maemo starts.
Although that is better than the current method of requiring a separate PC on which to run flasher whenever you wish to boot into MeeGo, it would be a bit awkward having to insert/remove the SD card to change which OS to boot, because of its position under the battery. Could there be a way of choosing with a menu or holding down a key while booting, or something?

mooninite 2010-10-15 13:58
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
So... this should allow native MMS support right? They're using the latest Linux kernel after all.

Matan 2010-10-15 14:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 841924)
Although that is better than the current method of requiring a separate PC on which to run flasher whenever you wish to boot into MeeGo, it would be a bit awkward having to insert/remove the SD card to change which OS to boot, because of its position under the battery. Could there be a way of choosing with a menu or holding down a key while booting, or something?
The way Stskeeps describes is what currently available with u-boot.

It is easy to configure u-boot to always boot into maemo, and in order to boot a kernel from SD (or internal mmc partition) you need to press a key during u-boot to halt automatic boot, and run a command.

Barrie 2010-10-15 14:55
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 841924)
Although that is better than the current method of requiring a separate PC on which to run flasher whenever you wish to boot into MeeGo, it would be a bit awkward having to insert/remove the SD card to change which OS to boot, because of its position under the battery. Could there be a way of choosing with a menu or holding down a key while booting, or something?
What N900 you got? The sd card is not under the battery on mine......... (sorry, couldn't resist that)

Barrie

pelago 2010-10-15 15:06
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrie (Post 841972)
What N900 you got? The sd card is not under the battery on mine.........
Ah yes, you're right! Whoops. I was thinking of the SIM card.

Still, a menu or keypress would be preferable than having to remove the card, even if the card is not as hard to reach as I thought (Matan's post suggests that this should be possible, so that's fine). I wince every time I remove the back cover due to the noise it makes - I keep thinking I'm going to break it!

kishan 2010-10-15 15:10
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jajajaja, the mine neither has the sd card under the battery, it is at one side of the camera! :p

kishan 2010-10-15 15:12
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 841981)
Ah yes, you're right! Whoops. I was thinking of the SIM card.

Still, a menu or keypress would be preferable than having to remove the card, even if the card is not as hard to reach as I thought (Matan's post suggests that this should be possible, so that's fine). I wince every time I remove the back cover due to the noise it makes - I keep thinking I'm going to break it!
the first time i put the back cover, i thought that it was broken because of the noise! hahaha

Dave999 2010-10-15 15:25
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Any wonderful news about N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff today?

Descalzo 2010-10-15 15:30
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
I don't like taking out the microSD because I don't want to lose it.

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 15:30
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 841992)
Any wonderful news about N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff today?
Not today, but soon!
Check out the latest video of youtube.com/meetmeego (about CloudGPS).
Maybe you'll find what I'm talking about.
It will be amazing for a lot of you!

Dave999 2010-10-15 15:39
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
animation is a little slow but looks nice.

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 15:50
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 841999)
animation is a little slow but looks nice.
I'm not talking about the animation (do you mean of the program, or of my Intro btw.?)...

:D:D:D:D:D:D

No more hints.

You will see in some days probably..

:D

Thread hijack ftw!!!


edit: and when somebody finds it, please don't talk about it! :D

Dave999 2010-10-15 16:00
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I want a countdown... ;)

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 16:02
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 842011)
I want a countdown... ;)
uh!

we don't know..

days, weeks

at the moment it's looking good ;)

Dave999 2010-10-15 16:15
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
what? we dont know? Thats not a good thing.


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