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tetris11_ 2010-10-15 16:21
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Is it true that PR1.3 WONT support dual-booting?

Quote:
The Nokia N900 is used as development hardware for platform developers working with MeeGo on ARM hardware architecture. While the software from the MeeGo project runs on the Nokia N900 for development purposes, Nokia does not intend to provide a dual-boot OS option to consumers in upcoming N900 commercial software releases as we want to ensure that we provide the best possible experience designed for that device. The meego.com blog post was primarily targeted to the audience reading the blog: MeeGo developers.
http://thenokiablog.com/2010/10/13/n...al-boot-meego/

Flandry 2010-10-15 16:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Seriously, does anyone on t.m.o. read? I feel like bashing my head against the wall while trying to parse this for useful posts.

FAQ:
  • Dual booting:
    1.3 will probably contain a "fix" to the OS that will make dual booting easier. It will not provide nor will there ever be an officially (Nokia) supported dual boot option for the N900. Dual booting into Meego or NITdroid is already possible through community-supported methods.
  • Meego
    Feature freeze on Meego 1.1 has happened, and it will be released in the next few weeks. Meego 1.1 is not a full-featured, consumer-ready OS. 1.2 will be much closer, and will come out in six months. There may be backports from 1.2 that will make 1.1 a viable option over Maemo 5 for N900 owners before that time, but that depends on work by interested volunteers.
  • Flash
    There is absolutely no reason to believe that Flash 10 will ever be available as part of the official system. Adobe wants licensing for (mobile) Flash 10 that Nokia understandably doesn't want to pay (again) for the N900. Edit: apparently this changed in 10.1, after drama with Apple, Nokia, Macromedia, etc. I suspect Nokia still isn't going to bother with the resources to prepare, test and deploy at this point.

    A hacked 9.x Flash that reports itself as version 10.x is available. It will make websites that require flash 10 but don't actually use the new features (i.e. most sites) work properly.
  • When?
    Nokia has a policy that updates are released "when ready", and as such do not announce them in advance. You'll get PR1.3 when they determine it's ready.
  • So what is in PR1.3?
    All the bug fixes since 1.2 (week 19) and the release week that the PR1.3 is taken from. The current candidate is from week 36. This is the list of the 99 bugs marked as fixed between those two weeks. There will probably be some other minor updates to official apps. Nothing more than that is confirmed by any vaguely reliable source AFAIK.

wmarone 2010-10-15 16:25
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 842034)
Seriously, does anyone on t.m.o. read?
I'm pretty sure they read, whether they comprehend it is an entirely separate question to which the answer is usually "no."

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 16:29
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 842028)
what? we dont know? Thats not a good thing.
let's say: we can't say any specific dates.
:D

also we need to redefine "soon"

:D

Dave999 2010-10-15 16:39
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
how can it be good news when we dont have a date. In fact the only good thing we got at the moment is this thread.

can be be today. can be tomorrow can be never.

tetris11_ 2010-10-15 16:39
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 842037)
I'm pretty sure they read, whether they comprehend it is an entirely separate question to which the answer is usually "no."
Pretty much.

zehjotkah 2010-10-15 16:51
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 842034)
Seriously, does anyone on t.m.o. read? I feel like bashing my head against the wall while trying to parse this for useful posts.
I'm feeling like this since the N900 was released...
It will be even worse after the release of the N9... :D

Funny times ahead!

OT: maybe I should run a small competition.
"Find it and get it" or something like that...

What do you think?

kamil365 2010-10-15 16:57
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Great day:)

check out e-yes's twitter http://twitter.com/drunkdebugger
This confirm that NITdroid 0.0.9 It's not a rumor:P

SD. 2010-10-15 19:32
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flandry (Post 842034)
There is absolutely no reason to believe that Flash 10 will ever be available as part of the official system. Adobe wants licensing for (mobile) Flash 10 that Nokia understandably doesn't want to pay (again) for the N900.
Since the release of Flash 10.1, manufacturers no longer have to pay per device.

Quote:
Can I license Flash Player for distribution on mobile devices?

Members of the Open Screen Project are able to distribute Flash Player 10.1 with their devices royalty free; however, a license (contract) still needs to be in place between Adobe and the licensee.
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/faq/

Times have changed at Adobe. They need Flash on every platform they can get. The Android version is free for all in the Android Market. It's up to Nokia to port Flash 10.1 with hardware acceleration and all the bells and whistles, but since Maemo is dying and the focus has shifted to MeeGo they probably won't do it anytime soon, or ever.

shockgiga 2010-10-15 19:44
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 842045)
how can it be good news when we dont have a date. In fact the only good thing we got at the moment is this thread.

can be be today. can be tomorrow can be never.
that's very true.

shockgiga 2010-10-15 19:53
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
btw i thought maemo is working on pr 1.3?
why did the news come from meego first before announced here?

shockgiga 2010-10-15 19:54
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
will i be able to update to 1.3 if im using titan kernel?

Rushmore 2010-10-16 03:38
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
You folks spinning for Nokia after they have basically said screw N900 users since launch are funny. Flash 10.1 costs NO fees, but does require collaboration between the OEMs and Adobe. Nokia did not want to invest the time and money in working with Adobe.

You folks covering for Nokia and rationalizing their piss poor support are starting to seem (respectfully) a tad pathetic.

Were it not for the local dev community here, which is eroding quickly, the N900 would have been a truly- epic fail.

Nokia sucks big nasty Oprah butt. Some of you need to get over your fanboy love affair for Nokia, because it is NOT reciprocated.

Bratag 2010-10-16 04:04
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 842344)
You folks spinning for Nokia after they have basically said screw N900 users since launch are funny. Flash 10.1 costs NO fees, but does require collaboration between the OEMs and Adobe. Nokia did not want to invest the time and money in working with Adobe.

You folks covering for Nokia and rationalizing their piss poor support are starting to seem (respectfully) a tad pathetic.

Were it not for the local dev community here, which is eroding quickly, the N900 would have been a truly- epic fail.

Nokia sucks big nasty Oprah butt. Some of you need to get over your fanboy love affair for Nokia, because it is NOT reciprocated.
Possibly - but others need to get over this feeling that they were somehow tricked into buying the N900 and now have been cheated. Personally I am still enjoying my N900 and new great apps show up almost daily. The dev community seems to be going strong

Rushmore 2010-10-16 04:11
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Quote:
You folks spinning for Nokia after they have basically said screw N900 users since launch are funny. Flash 10.1 costs NO fees, but does require collaboration between the OEMs and Adobe. Nokia did not want to invest the time and money in working with Adobe.

You folks covering for Nokia and rationalizing their piss poor support are starting to seem (respectfully) a tad pathetic.

Were it not for the local dev community here, which is eroding quickly, the N900 would have been a truly- epic fail.

Nokia sucks big nasty Oprah butt. Some of you need to get over your fanboy love affair for Nokia, because it is NOT reciprocated.
Possibly - but others need to get over this feeling that they were somehow tricked into buying the N900 and now have been cheated. Personally I am still enjoying my N900 and new great apps show up almost daily. The dev community seems to be going strong
"Quickly" was too harsh. Agreed.

uvatbc 2010-10-16 04:41
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 842344)
Were it not for the local dev community here
... yes... go on...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 842344)
which is eroding quickly
... yeah! Wait... WTF?
Are we not doing enough?

cjp 2010-10-16 12:31
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 841709)
thats okay, it gives me/us time to save up for this so called "N9" which will be pricey (but worth it)
Actually that slacker Murtazin retweeted someone saying the N9 would prolly be 429€. As comparison, the N8 is being sold ATM for 489€.

cjp 2010-10-16 12:32
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushmore (Post 842344)
You folks spinning for Nokia after they have basically said screw N900 users since launch are funny. ...

Nokia sucks big nasty Oprah butt. Some of you need to get over your fanboy love affair for Nokia, because it is NOT reciprocated.
But I don't have a love affair with Nokia, I have a love affair with my N900.

philh 2010-10-16 12:53
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjp (Post 842561)
Actually that slacker Murtazin retweeted someone saying the N9 would prolly be 429€. As comparison, the N8 is being sold ATM for 489€.
That was the case with N900 and N97 when I was ordering the N900, was about £50 cheaper.

Master of Gizmo 2010-10-16 13:15
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 840732)
So will it have a working xterm?
Let me point you to bug #3551.

Matan 2010-10-16 13:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
So the answer is no.

That is not "about usable".

Or is the answer yes?

It is a pity that your "answer" to a simple yes/no question is a link to a thread that does not actually answers the question.

!!Nokia N900!! 2010-10-16 13:38
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Any one plz,
So is this MeeGo going to released for us or it will be for developers.
tnx

Dave999 2010-10-16 13:42
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
where are the wonderful news about n900, Meego, PR 1.3 and other good stuff today?

lma 2010-10-16 23:53
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 842592)
It is a pity that your "answer" to a simple yes/no question is a link to a thread that does not actually answers the question.
Looks like a definite "no" to me:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bug 3551 comment 18
Rejecting for 1.1 - xterm will be removed from the image in 1.1 - it will be
added back in 1.2 with the mcompositor fixes

shockgiga 2010-10-17 00:50
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
i think it would have been better if they announced it right on the day that 1.3 and meego is available aready. it's like torture for me to keep checking if it's already there. LOL

stlpaul 2010-10-17 01:13
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by !!Nokia N900!! (Post 842605)
Any one plz,
So is this MeeGo going to released for us or it will be for developers.
tnx
MeeGo is already available to everyone.

arnoldux 2010-10-17 04:37
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
i just love these news, at elast i will be monitoring the meego blog now :P

maxximuscool 2010-10-17 06:12
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 841816)
Ehh... what have you been smoking. The n900 was awhile the most powerful. Now you'll get most power per dollar. In Sweden you could buy the n900 for 5000 sek and the Nexus for 7000 sek. Now i think the n900 goes for 3000-3500 sek.

Apple are famous to overprice.. they normaly take double the price for what it is worth.
How did you know that? I've been smoking my fish mate.
Well that's europe, I'm talking about in Pacific region. How much is N97-mini over there? here is $1150 NZD and iPhone4 is $1200 16Gb.

Think about it, which one is more over priced?

Turkishflavor 2010-10-17 06:23
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
well here in germany the n97 mini costs about 300 EUR.. but the iphone 4 costs 1000 EUR, so which one is overpriced now?!

NvyUs 2010-10-17 06:36
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD. (Post 842145)
Since the release of Flash 10.1, manufacturers no longer have to pay per device.

Quote:
Can I license Flash Player for distribution on mobile devices?

Members of the Open Screen Project are able to distribute Flash Player 10.1 with their devices royalty free; however, a license (contract) still needs to be in place between Adobe and the licensee. Learn more about the Open Screen Project.
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/faq/

Times have changed at Adobe. They need Flash on every platform they can get. The Android version is free for all in the Android Market. It's up to Nokia to port Flash 10.1 with hardware acceleration and all the bells and whistles, but since Maemo is dying and the focus has shifted to MeeGo they probably won't do it anytime soon, or ever.
just like I've been saying all along Nokia are the reason why flash 10.1 is not on the n900.
the reasons why is
1. Nokia wants everyone to upgrade to N9 for it
or
2. performance is just not good enough on n900 for Nokia to want to release it.

maxximuscool 2010-10-17 07:52
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jnack95 (Post 841834)
Or quit whining, learn assembler and write your own drivers! I don't really care if they don't want to share their code for their devices, as long as they provide current binary drivers for use.....the idea that everything has to be open source is not practical.
Or quit quoting people and saying all those stuff if you can't do that yourself. If you so great then write it up and share it with the community and stop telling people to do things that you think its easy to do. I don't care whether they are sharing it or not but Opensource is open. Sure they did provide the current binary. So what? there are always something to hide But you are right.

I guess whining here won't make anything happened. Better just move on to a new device or OS, after all Maemo5 is pretty dead in term of future wise. We won't see maemo in the future device, so Go meeGo!! save me haha.

theonelaw 2010-10-17 15:44
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 843094)
... after all Maemo5 is pretty dead in term of future wise....
This is so wrong in more than one aspect I feel compelled to clarify:
Maemo is right now.:D
As far as "right now" is concerned this is the moment when Maemo is really necessary.
The handover to Meego and Meego devices will take at least a year
before any serious traction begins to occur.
In the meantime we have Maemo and that is all there is.
Meego is coming but it is still down the road with a long list of hurdles to pass
before it is anywhere near as usable as what we currently have with the n900 and Maemo.
True enough it will fade away but right now
and for the immediate future Maemo on the n900 is all we can really count on:cool:.

AlMehdi 2010-10-18 09:16
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 843058)
How did you know that? I've been smoking my fish mate.
Well that's europe, I'm talking about in Pacific region. How much is N97-mini over there? here is $1150 NZD and iPhone4 is $1200 16Gb.

Think about it, which one is more over priced?
After a quick google i found the n97-mini goes for $600 NZD.. i am sure you could find an even better price if you took time with it. So it's about half the iPhone4.

http://www.gadgetsonline.co.nz/gadge...ini-Black.html

maxximuscool 2010-10-18 09:26
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 843965)
After a quick google i found the n97-mini goes for $600 NZD.. i am sure you could find an even better price if you took time with it. So it's about half the iPhone4.

http://www.gadgetsonline.co.nz/gadge...ini-Black.html
Two words:
Parallel Import!

Vodafone selling them for 1150NZD. Vodafone and telecom are the only Qualified Nokia reseller, the rest are dodgy.

NvyUs 2010-10-18 09:30
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
does not look like 1150NZD to me
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/shop/mobil...obile&menuKey=

PMaff 2010-10-18 09:49
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theonelaw (Post 843399)
This is so wrong in more than one aspect I feel compelled to clarify:
Maemo is right now.:D
As far as "right now" is concerned this is the moment when Maemo is really necessary.
The handover to Meego and Meego devices will take at least a year
before any serious traction begins to occur.
In the meantime we have Maemo and that is all there is.
Meego is coming but it is still down the road with a long list of hurdles to pass
before it is anywhere near as usable as what we currently have with the n900 and Maemo.
True enough it will fade away but right now
and for the immediate future Maemo on the n900 is all we can really count on:cool:.
Not sure, if you all know that one:
"Nokia plans update with dual-boot MeeGo option for N900"
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...0-1107926.html

:D

Also quite interesting but only in German:
"Nokias MeeGo-Mann wechselt zu Palm"
translated:
"Nokias MeeGo-man goes to Palm"
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...m-1108768.html
but I did not find the English version of the article.
Similar news here:
http://www.zdnetasia.com/hp-finally-...m-62203756.htm

danramos 2010-10-18 09:50
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 841381)
About the 2012 thing, we knew about it so we will make sure the update came before the 12/12/2012. At latest would be 11/12/2012. So you have about 1 day to celebrate before we all vanished completely.
Huh? I thought the 2012 "end of the world", Age of Aquarius, Galactic Alignment, etc. thing was supposedly on December 21, 2012? Honestly, I hadn't EVER seen it as 12/12 until you just mentioned it. According to this Wikipedia page, I only see ONE popular reference to that date (by Evangelical Christian minister John Hagee): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon

AlMehdi 2010-10-18 10:18
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 843974)
Two words:
Parallel Import!

Vodafone selling them for 1150NZD. Vodafone and telecom are the only Qualified Nokia reseller, the rest are dodgy.
I am not sure what paralell import means.. but it can hardly be Nokias fault.

maxximuscool 2010-10-18 10:33
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 844003)
I am not sure what paralell import means.. but it can hardly be Nokias fault.
P.I is an internation import of a product that isn't locally made for that region. Usually Asia import. Cheaper but quality somewhat vary. It doesn't come with Nokia warranty.

It's Nokia's fault though not directly. Nokia recomended retail price is $1150NZD, basically always over $1000 price range on any new Nokia N-series. My first 6680 was released 8months oversea before it reached NZ and sold at $1100NZD oversea is $500NZD, My N95-1 is 7months released else where and hit NZ after that cost $1200NZD, My N93-i $1180 released after 1year over sea. lol damn!

I spent so much grands on Nokia phones.Nokia NZ is ripping NZders of big time.

ossipena 2010-10-18 10:37
Re: Some wonderful news considering N900, MeeGo, PR 1.3 and other good stuff
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 843074)
just like I've been saying all along Nokia are the reason why flash 10.1 is not on the n900.
the reasons why is
1. Nokia wants everyone to upgrade to N9 for it
or
2. performance is just not good enough on n900 for Nokia to want to release it.
it is probably the combination: not wanting to make bugfixes for getting it running smoothly. It is better to use the manhours to improve flash for new unannounced devices instead of lengthening a life of commercially next to death product.


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