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+100.........

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iPhone 4's antenna just doesn't work. : (

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You wouldn't DARE! ;)


As for the topic at hand....
I love the part when he called TweetDeck, "TwitterDeck" (misnaming the product) and then went on to talk about how they were all up in arms about Android fragmentation. Shortly afterwards, the CEO of TweetDeck comes out to respond with, "Did we at any point say it was a nightmare developing on Android? Errr nope, no we didn't. It wasn't." and if you look at the original TweetDeck post that Jobs was erroneously referring to, it actually reads, "From our perspective it's pretty cool to have our app work on such a wide variety of devices and Android OS variations."

http://www.businessinsider.com/tweet...e-jobs-2010-10

Too... funny. But my FAVORITE part is when he called Windows an "open" OS. :) Hah!

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TwitterDeck!!! Android is fragmented :D I Love how he said it :D

I think he is right, though Windows is seems like a closed OS but it actually open Operating System. Think about it, anyone can write a program for Windows without needing any licensing and permission from MS. OpenSource community also wrote plently of applications for Windows. But the differences between Open OS and OpenSource OS is that OpenSource is act unter GNU licensing and which mean free source code if the developer working with GNU tools.
Windows apps that are not under GNU will be closed source and cannot be shared or borrow the code to use without permission from the owner of the source and usually he/she or they will not upload it to the net even requested.

Well that's what I think ahha anything else will be your own opinion, you can correct me if i'm wrong :)

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Android clearly needs a defrag app! ;)

Just because you don't need a license to write a program for the OS, doesn't make it open. It makes the OS non-DRM'ed. Any OS that requires licensing to run apps is a DRM'ed OS, not just a closed operating system.

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Jobs is worth 40 Billion, he has opened up not only the concept of an app store, but the concept of a design ethic that all others are now trying to follow. He has opened a market for something that the worlds biggest software maker, MS, failed at many many times and no one else even tried to push seriously. The tablet PC. He has opened up multimedia devices and a form factor that everyone and his dog wished they could do and it is only natural people want to take a piece out of him. So Android is merely copying what he did and basing it loosely on open source. I say loosely as they chucked Android from the kernel a while back. It's natural that someone wants a piece of his 40 Billion wad of cash, a piece of a market he opened up. So he has the right to sound like an arrogant c*ck.

Not that I want or own anything from Apple as they're all sh*te.

Reading this thread however, makes me chuckle.

I can't stand Jobs for his attitude, the way he has developed a cult like following. Where people just won't hear anything said against their precious devices, the OS or the culture, even with the failings and drawbacks that make it worthless. And anyone that does criticise gets jibes and abuse from fanbois....

Wait a second, swap Apple for Maemo and it sounds a lot like this place.

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HAHAHAH! Right? ....hey, waaaaaaaiiitamiiinit.... :mad:

heheh

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No he didn't, my old Nokia had a 'download' section built-in before the iPhone came out.

I do admire Jobs on some levels, certainly he helped make computers 'easier' for end-users and Apple has made a big impact in technology that can't be denied. What I don't admire though is his Messiah attitude, claiming he invented all manner of things when he didn't, claiming Apple do things better (like multitasking) when they don't etc

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I don't think that being closed directly makes 'things just work', but limiting variables certainly does.

At the very least, it generally make the components to get to the 'things just work' level much quicker than not.

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Noooooo, most of what you're attributing to Apple was actually thanks to Xerox PARC.

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i didn't say he invented those things, i'm well aware he didn't, but they were the company to make them mainstream. Like the iPhone, nothing there was new, in fact it omitted some basic, desired functionality (still does), but it was still the device to make those things widely purchased

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Much the way you can attribute Microsoft as the company to make computers, in general, mainstream. A tad more fundamental credibility creds there to Microsoft, going by your reasoning, no? Nonetheless, I understand your point--Apple did generally get credit for popularizing computers for the rehabilitating technophobic and the logically impaired.

http://pleco.org/heh/insp_technofear.png

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The only thing I admire about Steve Jobs is that he manages to sell any random lie that pops in his head to apple's shareholders, the press and most of the world.

What really gets me angry is when people just assume that he or Apple invented something, when just a little google search shows that they did not.

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How schrodinger of you.

Quoted for posterity.
Your level of optimism is rather amazing.

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RIM seems to have made a reply to Steve.

If you know email address for RIM's CEO, please send this picture to him:

http://sosiaalikeskus.files.wordpres...the-troll.jpeg

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What he did was identify just a handful of key sellable features that he can commit his limited resources on (design, code, produce, etc) and omit/delay/underrate the rest of the features... until they are ready to deliver those (missing features).

If he didn't go through that pattern, Apple couldn't have taken a market\mindshare lead just as they did with the iPhone.

@maxximused: please don't use past-tense on everything. english is your country's main language is it not?

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I think that he doesnt think that Nokia is even a competition to it and its products.... but I agree with him on the fact that on Apple apps can be integrated, commiing look and feel and ease of use whereas with open one is allowed to write what is usefull to them but is all over the place. Everyone can write what they think is best for them for a similar need.

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Well it wasn't Microsoft to roll out the GUI was it? In fact i'm pretty sure Gates even said it would never catch on. Apple may not have invented it, but they did popularise it, and honestly, isn't that a good thing?

I see no problem with things being simple, really why should a computer be any different than a tv or a car, which you expect to just work as you want it to i.e. show images and move without breaking down. The simplification of technology has helped more people embrace it, because most people aren't developers or techno-whizzes, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Now, I'm not suggesting that all technology should be locked down, design over function or anything like that, i hate the iPhone, i like the option to tinker like i have on the N900. But that's the thing - i like the option of being able to tinker, not absolutely having to just to get something to work, and I think that's true of most technology users. The GUI and mouse 'simplified' things, but who would argue they were detrimental?

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I think that tech-disdain is mainly caused by oversimplification and characterization of companies, software, devices, etc. For example, we often put Apple under one umbrella that colors our opinion of Apple and something that Steve Jobs says modifies that. Or take MeeGo which we associate with 'open' and 'nokia' but perhaps little else. These are vague examples, but designed to illustrate absolute thinking at its finest manifesting itself as rife tribalism.

If only we considered that all of these companies, devices, software ideologies, etc, have a very rich tapestry sub characteristics, we would stop the f***king infighting and get back to developing, producing, and enjoying. Can you imagine the type of productivity drain that's caused by discussing the inane minutia of 'what Steve said?' I'm sure it could be measured on a national scale in real dollars.

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exactly, when you limit freedom you often establish a de facto standard which makes things easier both for the user and the developer but as you probably know de facto standards often slow down progress in the long term. To me Linux evolves very fast and is often cutting edge but it can be a PITA when things that worked perfectly in the past are broken when things change.

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I was going add a suggestion to your post but I saw you had underrate in there. Spot on! Frankly that's the main thing that annoys me about Apple (or rather Jobs) and I think that's what causes the mind control problem that some Apple owners have (the ones that claim that X feature isn't necessary only to change their minds when Jobs changes his mind).

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Well, based on the way the argument was being made, Apple was popularly known for putting it out there on the first mass-produced production home computer systems, but they neither popularized it (since there were far more Windows computers, even in the Macintosh's own time) nor invented it (Xerox PARC did, in fact).

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Seems like you're being deliberately tricky with language here. I never said they invented it, in fact I think i clearly stated they didn't. But, Gates spoke against it initially, so MS didn't use it first. Whether Apple popularised it by having most users or because they simply influenced Microsoft to embrace it is beside the point - they were the driving force behind it becoming a feature on mass market home computers.

I don't see the purpose of slating Apple to the nth degree to the point of basically incinuating they've done nothing for technology over the years, because they have. One needn't invent something to spearhead its wide acceptance. I like Apple products on the whole. I'm no fanboi by any stretch, I was given an old iMac which i use on odd occasion but my desktop PC and laptop are both Windows. I don't own an iPhone and never will because I hate it with a passion, and I don't own an iPod (never have). I also moved away from iTunes to Songbird. I hate Apple's lockdown policies. I hate Jobs' attitude and the way he sees himself as a Messiah, inventing everything and saying something isn't necessary then deciding it is necessary and claiming to invent or do it better. But, I still recognise that they have had an impact over the years, and while i hate the iPhone i do like how it spurred on competition to advance smartphones.

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Seems like you're deliberately ignoring the details I pointed out with my language. You agree that they didn't invent it, but you tried to convince me that they popularized it and I pointed out that it would seem to me that Microsoft popularized the GUI far more than Apple ever did (popularization being quantitative), while Apple was the first to roll out GUI on mass produced units. To the point that Bill Gates spoke against GUI's at first, you might recall that he said much of that while at the same time ranting and whipping at his employees that he wants Microsoft to develop a GUI to compete with Apple. Gates was being strategic, not genuine.

To my point, Microsoft wasn't very good at anything other than business strategy and cutting out the competition through various legal, contractual and guerrilla marketing strategies. BUT! I think you give Apple far too much credit for various things, although they do deserve some credit for stirring up competition over the years.

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Look at my last post, I clearly acknowledged that popularised isn't necessarily done through selling the most units, but spurring another company to embrace it and sell more of it.

I don't think i give too much credit to Apple because I don't think i give them much credit at all. I simply said i like some of their products, and they've had an impact in their time, which is true.

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It appears we're saying the same things. Then we, good sir, are in agreement! :) GOOD DAY!

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The age old problem of text comunication!

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I disagree! It's the age old problem of text communication. GOOD DAY! ;)

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Hey, you two, stop arguing and get your facts straight. Here are two good, fun and time consuming places to start:

http://www.folklore.org/index.py

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xflXMZL2stU

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I disagree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s :)

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Talk about stealing. He stole that line from my ex wife.

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Optimism? I'd rather want Symbian to evolve and develop, since it is a better OS for mobile devices than Linux ever will be. But MeeGo will eventually just roll over it by brute force alone, it's inevitable. In the same manner MeeGo will eventually roll over Android and WinMo7. Trust me.

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Reeeeeeeeeeally? How so?

And if you plan to mention anything that the user interacts with it, then I suggest re-thinking your statements. If the user interacts with it, you can run the exact same software on Linux (or any other OS.)

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Symbian is made from the ground to be a mobile OS. Linux is just a hack of an old OS for switchboards. Symbian is better integrated with hardware and runs more efficient. Better processors and HW in general makes this difference smaller, especially or high end devices, and Linux is much simpler and more flexible. Linux is like Windows (desktop), sloppy, imprecise and power hungry (but powerful with enough CPU), and Symbian is more like a real time OS similar to Windows CE.

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This isn't really the kind of explanation I was looking for, since it's bereft of useful information and mostly contains subjective attacks against Linux ;)

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Cannot Linux be morphed into a Mobile Linux, more efficient and better integrated with the hardware? Linux flexibility should allow you to make such such a fork, shouldn't it?

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Apple's iOS is based on BSD and it would appear to have made a far better mobile OS than Symbian. Android is based on Linux, similarly make its own waves. They both provided a far more middle-ground between phone and computer. If you hadn't noticed, it was because EVERYONE ELSE was doing something better than Symbian finally had to give in and evolve to play catch-up. By your reckoning, Symbian would STILL qualify as much of a modern OS as GEOS on a Commodore 64 was a modern OS when it tried to help the C64 modernize.

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Yes, up to a point, but Linux simply is a poor RTOS by any standard. The thing is that both Symbian and Windows CE didn't really evolve over the last 5-6 years. In particular this was evident in the UX department. Linux and BSD/Unix or whatever the iOS really is have evolved at a great speed, most of it in the UX department.

For internet tablets and similar, there is no need for complex real time hardware interaction, for phones there is. Without a real OS, more complex things like multitasking, will suck the battery life empty in no time. Maemo is great in multitasking, but battery life is abysmal compared with Symbian.

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then macs have only stupid users.

finnish mac forum
http://www.hopeinenomena.net/viewforum.php?f=50
section: problems with apple

12643 threads

I rest my case.

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well if what you say is true and mac users "are stupid" then surely (can't read Finnish) a large majority of the questions are "where is the any key".

joking aside I'm not saying macs have no problems just that when you limit freedom you can make things work better in unison in the short term but risk falling behind in features or any other forms of progress in the long term. Also if you limit the users freedom there is less chance for the user to break something. The very reason perhaps why you say "stupid users" like the mac. There must be a reason why they like it, right?