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Re: Yay thanks a lot Nokia... NOT

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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 854669)

Actually that's what happened during my PR1.3 upgrade. Was it just me? Maybe I got PR1.3.1. :p

I can confirm this too.

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Originally Posted by loukkis (Post 853091)

Indeed, if you upgrade via operating system, it will do like that, but if you flash the device with os image, operating system has little or nothing to do to prevent user error.

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 853106)

C'mon, Dan, don't troll. I know you now hate Nokia, love Android, and won't get within one hundred yards of an N900 for fear of irreplacable stylus disease, but you've used Diablo. You know Maemo does encourage the user to use, and even offers to launch, the Backup application at the start of the SSU process.

C'mon, sjgadsby, a smarter flashing tool would have suggested it! :) Sure, you could dismiss my criticism as a simple ranking maneuver, but that's just a convenient way to dismiss a good idea out of hand. Considering most BIOS flashing tools give you the option to make a back-up of your old BIOS image, wouldn't it make sense to do the same here?

To see such a thing in action, read up on nandroid's back-up option on Android handsets. It's what I do on my Droid--I make a back-up of the current state of my handset (kernel, OS, apps, setting, everything) before I do anything drastic like flashing a new ROM.

Sooooooo, again, I say: A smarter [insert OS flashing app/procedure] would make suggest a back-up before flashing a new OS. :)

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Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 853484)

You mean a 'smarter' operating system would dumb it down for people who are unwilling to use logic and reason when performing tasks that may very well be detrimental to the functionality of their handset?

Let's also not forget, the forgetful. Ah, I see it was too late for you.

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Originally Posted by jflatt (Post 853597)

I crashed my car right into a wall. Thanks a lot Ford.

Soooo... is this your argument against, say, a crash prevention system? You do realize that we WANT to have things which can prevent the bad from happening, as opposed to simply telling the family of the diseased that the driver was an idiot--Especially if it turned out that it was not the driver's fault, like brake problems or something.. and especially if there was a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented it.

Simply putting a procedure in place to alert the user and optionally launch a firmware backup solution would be akin to a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented data loss during such upgrades and other situations.

...Or weren't you interested in the progress of technology to make our lives better and easier?

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Originally Posted by bunanson (Post 853628)

IT DID, if op paid attentions. It mentioned and warmed, the only thing sort of not doing is refused to upgrade without a backup. Then there would be crying that the upgrade is NOT user friendly. It is NOT easy to be Nokia nowadays, you do, you doom, you dont, you doom.

On Nokia's side, for a rare moment :)

bun

Clearly, Nokia could do better. Others have.

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 853500)

I still think the Backup application on Maemo fails in terms of restoring applications. Mainly the applications that require you to acknowledge a prompt or type in a password (openSSH). It really should just install all the applications and then show you whatever prompts. Especially since I usually let it restore apps when I sleep overnight only to find that it stopped due to a prompt.

I really don't like this idea that Maemo's back-up/restore depends on a connection to be able to restore applications. My Droid certainly doesn't depend on it to restore nandroid backups or even Titanium Backup backups. So why is Maemo Backup so.. weird? I totally agree with you there. You should be able to do what I already do on my Droid--just say RESTORE... THIS BACKUP FILE.. GO! And just wait and then reboot. Done!

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 854695)

Simply putting a procedure in place to alert the user and optionally launch a firmware backup solution would be akin to a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented data loss during such upgrades and other situations.

I betcha 99% of people who wouldn't have thought of doing a backup would've ignored any warning/alert to do a backup. They like to click "Next", "Next", ..., "Finish".

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sjgadsby's post mostly explains why Maemo's Backup works the way it does. It's more of a "dynamic" backup and has advantages/disadvantages compared to the ghost-like backup that nandroid does. Advantages include being able to upgrade/downgrade and still restore your installed apps and settings.

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I totally agree with you there. You should be able to do what I already do on my Droid--just say RESTORE... THIS BACKUP FILE.. GO! And just wait and then reboot. Done!

You should be able to do this when Backup Menu V2 is ready.

Re: Yay thanks a lot Nokia... NOT

I just spent a few hours replacing the icons I made to go with my nine-desktop setup. This was after running backup. I also lost my ipv6 connection and had to remember how I had set it up. I wish backup was a bit more robust, but what the heck, I usually gain from a bit of extra practice in setting up my N900. If I forgot how I did it, I need to reinforce that learning, I tell myself.

Re: Yay thanks a lot Nokia... NOT

This might be easy:

Did you install ANYthing from extras Testing & Devel or any place outside of maemo.org or Nokia repositories. If you had then you had it coming. When you install stuff from those repositories you have to be prepared to anything!

If not then you have found bug or HW defect.

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But all the nice stuff is in -devel!

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Originally Posted by slender (Post 855349)

This is the oldest trick in the book. Anyone who HASN'T installed from extras testing or devel is out of their mind, in my opinion. So this is something like telling someone with a car problem, "did you EVER go over 65 miles per hour? Because your tires might go flat at any second if you ever exceeded that speed!"

If Nokia had provided a big selection of apps, people wouldn't be driven to the risky ones. As it is, if you don't run risky ones, you are missing lots of essential features.

In my experience (1) running these risky apps is WAY LESS RISKY than is implied. I've been installing them without any hesitation for three Nokia tablets in a row and hardly ever run into serious problems, and (2) It makes a darned good excuse, though.

Just remember, if you EVER go over 65 miles an hour, any part of your car might fail at any instant and it's no one's fault but your own!

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Whatta F.

My point is that if you install anything from testing or devel then you are on your own. I expect total clusterfck any second when I have apps installed from those repositories. If shait hits the fan then it´s just me who is responsible! Installing stuff that is under testing or devel. I do not blaime Jesus or God or Santa Claus or Nokia I blame Myself!

Re: Yay thanks a lot Nokia... NOT

So, by these standard a stick of dynamite can be considered an alpha version of a gas tank cap?

Is this what the robustness and security of the Linux system is reduced to? Don't run anything unapproved? I thought that was the Apple security system.