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chemist 2010-11-25 10:58

Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Hey folks,

login to betalabs and use the following link to get the latest NOS beta

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-ovi-suite-3-0


What's new in Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0

A new Home view
  • Quick access to my content and sync
  • Recommended apps, games from Ovi Store
  • Recommended music from Ovi Music
  • Notifications to update your phone software and to take a backup from your phone
  • Smart way to connect to the Internet when you're without fixed connection or WLAN

Introducing Ovi Music
  • Full playback controls
  • Discover and download your favourites from the millions of tracks available on Ovi
  • Drag music to and from your phone
  • Ovi Music Unlimited support
  • No need for a separate player

Other improvements
  • Faster and simpler installation
  • Maps view improvements: Single item delete for maps in phone, performance improvements for maps downloading.
  • Stability and sync: We have focused on improvements for sync and stability

leetut 2010-11-25 12:49

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
sorry for sounding negative here but....

music i get from pirate bay

transfer to my phone is via data cable/mass storage

maps is a joke, sygic gets me everywhere

i use backup on phone and export contacts to memory card

i dont see any need whatsoever for ovi suite and believe money wasted developing the software should have been spent developing more apps for n900, and as for recommended apps and games, are you kidding me!!!

i am a nokia fanboy by the way, but for the past 3 years everything nokia have done has been a pointless waste of time, from the n96 onwards
(apart from this amazing n900 of course)
i would like to see a poll to see who actually gives a damn about ovisuite and the results rammed down their throat

just pleased they have finally listened to us about not releasing the n9 until its actually ready, i think that desision is awesome

hassan_badredin 2010-11-25 12:53

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Țwho actually gives a damn about ovisuiteȚ

well i do ......

chemist 2010-11-25 13:01

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
I understand your point and guess what, I share most of your opinions.

Nevertheless the best way to shove it up somewhere dark is to point out everything. I participated in the alpha testing and there was a poll if that 3.0 beta should go public, I said never, bring some real improvements or call it 2.something but not 3.0
If this progress version'ing stays like this a 8.0 is needed to get a useful NOS ready. Putting more and more stuff into a "not" working piece of software is a waste and keeps people from using it.

I backup by scripts, the backup tool and rsync to my servers and am faster in backing up and restoring than NOS in syncing my contacts.

There are some real issues in this beta, like with maps, music, contacts, calendar (could say issues with NOS...).

Nokia Management should be ashamed for taking money for the job they do.
Developers are not to blame as they do not have a vote on it.

n900faniam 2010-11-25 13:24

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Chemist, thanks for the update and your honest assessment of the latest NOS.

I'm an N900 end user and for the most part very happy with my phone.....with one exception. Ove Suite.

On average my phone fails at least 90% to sync with ovi, getting contacts from my laptop onto my phone is a nightmare.

Unless ovi have improved the basic sync function I see little point in going for the latest update.

Has the sync functionality improved?

Thanks

JC

WilliePre 2010-11-25 13:43

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hassan_badredin (Post 882922)
Țwho actually gives a damn about ovisuiteȚ

well i do ......

So do I !!! :) give a damn about Ovisuite. It is constantly being improved.
Support for the N900 has improved greatly!!! :).

Thank you Nokia.

zimon 2010-11-25 14:00

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Does it work in Linux (Fedora/Ubuntu/Wine)?

Edit:
Well, tried to install it to Fedora14/Wine, but didn't go well:
"Installation operation failed with error code: 112."
Stopped in 5/100 %.

I guess I should buy MS-Windows to use Ovi Suite? No way.

anthonie 2010-11-25 14:36

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 882976)
Does it work in Linux (Fedora/Ubuntu/Wine)?

Edit:
Well, tried to install it to Fedora14/Wine, but didn't go well:
"Installation operation failed with error code: 112."
Stopped in 5/100 %.

I guess I should buy MS-Windows to use Ovi Suite? No way.

What? A suite for a linux phone that you want to work on linux? Why could you possibly want that?

[/sarcasm]

ZogG 2010-11-25 14:43

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
who doesn't give a damn about ovi should remember it's not made only for n900 and there are other phones.

chemist 2010-11-25 15:26

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n900faniam (Post 882949)
Has the sync functionality improved?

Yes, it has improved as far as I can tell from previous beta, alpha testing as I do not use the released software in its final state (last beta is final usually).

The syncing does corrupt with additional fields but as far as I know they get not lost but displayed wrong in NOS, back on the phone they are fine.

I tried lately to sync all instances at once as this is the actual case people would like (Outlook-Ovi-Device at once). There was only one double entry and that was because I chose an entry by hand to be another (you get an overview of changes for any contact giving alerts because of mismatches, the previous sync was with NOS 2.xbeta). Calendar is yet to be tested properly.

And to second a previous statement, remember NOS is for other mobiles too.

What is working like expected (afair) although I do not like the way it is handled but that's my personal opinion.
  • SMS sync
  • Images & Video
  • Music (if the item is not 0.00[€,$] in store)
  • Calendar (if and only if Maemo5 supports the repeats and stuff)
  • Contacts (Abook| for most contacts, layout brakes at some additional data NOS is not aware of yet)
  • Maps (new download only, it destroyed the upgrade-index files on upgrade for some reason, maps was still functional on device but with old maps as installed before)

Straycat 2010-11-25 15:27

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 883012)
who doesn't give a damn about ovi should remember it's not made only for n900 and there are other phones.

You are right.

NOS is not made only for N900 but N900 at all!!

I think N900 is not a Nokia machinne. N900 don't size NOV nor OVI.com.

chemist 2010-11-25 15:31

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Could we keep this thread on topic, please?
I have nothing against proper discussions about a product so keep it at a level that is actually useful to other people.

Moaning and blaming does not help anyone.

anthonie 2010-11-25 16:00

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 beta now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist (Post 883030)
Could we keep this thread on topic, please?
I have nothing against proper discussions about a product so keep it at a level that is actually useful to other people.

Moaning and blaming does not help anyone.

Well. The question which operating systems are actually supported, from a usability point-of-view, seems like a on-topic question to me. Perhaps one could argue I should keep my sarcasm to myself, but I would argue against that that I should've had some form of support software from Nokia for a platform of my choice, id est, Linux. Now, added to that the fact that we're speaking about a linux phone here, that I would like to see supported, I might add to my previous argument that my form of sarcasm was pretty mild, compared to the fail-level Nokia is running here.

pious_momin 2010-11-26 07:45

its good to see ovi 3 supports messages from n900 but unforunately it doesn't support IM conversations.. very bad

is there anyway that ovi 3 supports IM conversations as well....?

Cue 2010-11-26 08:06

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
chemist, can I ask how you rsync your contacts? from what I have read this isn't possible.
http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...00/td-p/657786

I'd love to automate my contacts backup somehow instead of using ovi suite. sorry if this is off topic.

jaimex2 2010-11-26 08:14

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
This thread reminded me to uninstall Ovi suite. thanks :)

Omkar 2010-11-26 08:24

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Is there a version for a mac?

bubor 2010-11-26 08:48

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Omkar (Post 883589)
Is there a version for a mac?

nop
nokia announced nokia suit for mac some years ago, probably never will be.
Isync do the important things.

Fargus 2010-11-26 08:51

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Personally I find the whole OVI suite a HUGE step backwards from the PCSuite. I archived the install on my server and hastily put it back on my laptop after removing OVI Suite. Why the heck would I want to automatically copy everything form my phone media folders onto a random location on the PC? Sorry but I can't see my ever using this tool, the only useful part was the sync to Outlook and once again PCSuite is more functional and intuitive.

plaban 2010-11-26 08:55

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Thanks for informing.I'll download it today.

tissot 2010-11-26 09:30

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
These OVI suite kind of do it all between comp and phone are the thing nowadays and makes sense for those who just connect their phone and want stuff happen. I don't do this at all so i don't really care. I think Nolia did just enough to make N900 as a supported phone.
Before this goes all negative i'm sure we got other people here than me who own Galaxy S and N900 and so have used kies. That synch and fw update soft is so buggy and will come up with a new problem when you thought everything was right already so it's not all sunshine and green happy elfs on the other side either. ;)

SavageBrat 2010-11-26 09:33

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
I would agree with leetut minus one point and the would be with Sygic maps..though ovi maps doesn't provide the basics like other nokia phones but neither does sygic as they don't cover every where.. try finding a sygic map for some parts of the middle east,, (Jordan)

ceroberts75 2010-11-26 09:35

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
it crashes like a blind old lady driving a spoirts car....it dosnt take much and happens often.

while it is better then the previous version, the biggest difference is the front page...

but the part that works the best is uninstall. that worked every time i tried it.

dchky 2010-11-26 09:51

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
The server at tiny.cc is taking too long to respond.

Nice. Not hosted by Nokia?

chemist 2010-11-26 09:53

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cue (Post 883578)
chemist, can I ask how you rsync your contacts?

It is not a "syncing" in terms of compare both and put them together just to point that clear!
AFAIR it is
osso-addressbook-backup -e contacts.vcard
then rsync command you considered for backup

Would be nice to have osso-backup having a proper CLI version to cronjob it.

For the Mac version: I do not know why there is no Mac/Linux version yet as it is asked for in any betalabs category of windows software.

Quote:

Why the heck would I want to automatically copy everything form my phone media folders onto a random location on the PC?
Honestly? I have no idea! I like to sort my stuff in folders instead of using a huge blown up image viewer which takes hours to index 2TB media drives and does not get changes anyway. I have seen this at different software too and am afraid to say "That is what John Average asked for!" or better... it is what companies think people need like 16:9 monitors.

If you do not like NOS or it's betas that is ok with me. I like to test software and point out issues, especially with stuff I do not like that much. People are requesting things here and I consider to suggest them in a closed alpha, cannot tell them about but at least I tried to extract some info from the masses. Now it is public beta and you are free to join and more than invited to beat the sh.. out of nokia forums if you like.

BUT keep in mind that requests and pointing fingers must be done in a kind and gentle way and not like you stuff a giant rod up nokia's a... crying "For Science!"

Spyker 2010-11-26 09:54

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Any news about a true cross-platform Ovi-Suite client ?
If Nokia is using Qt, then they should be able to provide cross-platform software that works on Linux, Mac, and Windows.

JayBEE 2010-11-29 20:25

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyker (Post 883642)
Any news about a true cross-platform Ovi-Suite client ?
If Nokia is using Qt, then they should be able to provide cross-platform software that works on Linux, Mac, and Windows.

+1

I came to this thread to say the same thing!

Does anyone know if NOS is written in Qt? From the looks of it, does not seem so.

riceboy 2010-11-29 20:45

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
try this link to download.

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia...d_installation

got it hooked up. but i removed the OS2 first.

runs a little better than the 2. lets see how long it lasts. so far so good.

it sucks that the recommended apps for my area are no longer available. :(

Rugoz 2010-11-29 20:57

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
I like it. Better than ovi player for downloading music, just quicker. And slick animations, maybe QML. Unfortunately ovi store is just a link to the webpage.

ZogG 2010-12-04 20:24

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
didn't want to start the new thread, but saw the OVI Nokia adv for N900, didn't really got it - how does it work, is it new? what's coming to n900 - in video spotted only several screenshot with several apps open - anyway watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEhw...layer_embedded

the idea is nice and integration would be cool - but would we got it or they mean what we have is the same, or it's just another just show off nokia videos that we don't get anything from it....

chemist 2010-12-05 02:03

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
The last suggestion fits, and not only for n900...

It is a OVI commercial, what do you expect it to be? Truth? Future? A mix of both maybe?

geohsia 2010-12-05 07:21

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist (Post 889481)
It is a OVI commercial, what do you expect it to be? Truth? Future? A mix of both maybe?

Or maybe neither?

ZogG 2010-12-05 07:47

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
i never expect a lot, yes in advs it's shown better than it is. but here it shows something we don't have at all. or do we have all these things? i mean not twitter accs and facebook status updater, but geolocation, media sharing and so on?

geohsia 2010-12-05 08:13

Re: Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0 BETA now available for public
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 889578)
i never expect a lot, yes in advs it's shown better than it is. but here it shows something we don't have at all. or do we have all these things? i mean not twitter accs and facebook status updater, but geolocation, media sharing and so on?

I think all of these components "exist" via the community in one form or another. Certainly not integrated though.


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