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And I'll state again that the Droid is supposed to be getting yet another update soon. Mind you, it's not the next release, but it's still being actively supported with firmware updates, features, patches and fixes--quite frequent and very, very good ones. As you said, it was out nearly at the same time as the N900. I'll state again, as well, that I'm very glad I skipped the N900. I hope MeeGo will be a far better experience, despite my crestfallen experiences with Nokia.

That post to this thread was a terrible, stupid post. I should report it for being pointless and belligerent. :)

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i am well aware thats while it is called "1.1" it is nowhere near "1.0" state.
it is just funny, and a way to show that numbers means nothing.

there is no doubt that the tablet meego edition looks really promising, also there is far less competition at the moment in this area, so i predict meego doing well at the tablets

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as someone who had a N800(if i am not mistaken) you probebly knew better what was going around the N900. When i bought mine i honestly thought i would see nokia supporting it with Meego.

If you are suggesting that i should have waited, or buy something else,i really needed a phone and the n900 is providing this need nicely. Seeing this happening, is disturbing as princple. A company betraying its custumers.

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I respectfully disagree. Again, I am using it full time now. It has replaced easily 90% of Windows XP work. Looks like a .999 release from my perspective. ;)

In this case I'll agree.

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Wait.. what? Far less competition in in what area? Tablets? Surely, you're joking.

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So because of some vague quote of N900 being step 4/5 it's ok it had shitloads of bugs when it first came for sale, and that "support" as you call it was pretty much just fixing SOME of those bugs it shouldn't have had in the first place.

Not to mention the lack of the most basic features like proper navigation or that awesome QT app support all the Nokia people talk about, not that I've seen any of that or never will.

It's a quite simple, N900 was and still is a great piece of hardware that had great promise but it never really had a chance to succeed because of lack of support from Nokia. That's pretty much a known fact to anyone else but the most rabid Nokia fanboys...

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errr... so you didn't do your research? n900 was officially named step 4/5 in the speech about its release so anyone could have been informed about it. so I call fud to your silly arguments. case closed.

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are you serious?!? here were n+1 posts about it over an year ago and the information was publicly available.

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I'd call that bad research

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I strongly disagree. without meego, M5 would have already been EOL:ed by M6....

what about pasting sources to official statements about flash and ovi maps coming to M5? after that I can agree that you are fully in touch with reality.

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exactly! you have just succesfully described the step 5/5 OS...

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The nature of the differences between Fremantle / Harmattan and Fremantle / MeeGo are such that developers are less welling to invest in Fremantle and would rather wait for MeeGo.

I'm not sure why we're arguing we both acknowledge that this was a release not fully supported with the energy Nokia typically puts behind a full release. You call it beta with no path to gold and I call it early EOSL, not that different really. Do you really think there will be a PR 1.4 with new features?

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You really should look into concatenating posts :)

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I challenge you to find any source prior to October 09 saying that Nokia will cease support for the N900 in less then a year.

Dont you get it?! EVERY phone is some "step" to somewhere.
each phone manufacturer feast on their prior experience in order to achieve better on the next device. Does it make it okay for HTC to drop support for the Desire to force you to get the Desire Z/Pro?
So why is it okay for Nokia to drop support for the N900 just in the high hopes all of us will get the N9.
I dont know about you, but i use my phone for about 2-3 years. So no way i am replacing my n900 in the next year or so.

Like I said, i bought the phone for its current captabilities and i am HAPPY with it.
If you'd bother reading everything i said you'll come to realize that i am bothered with the principle of not supporting a 1 year old phone while supporting a 3 year old phone.
I am tired of repeating myself, so lets just drop it.

EDIT: Also, Discouraging development for their own OS is just NOT cool.

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[QUOTE=Texrat;894257]I respectfully disagree. Again, I am using it full time now. It has replaced easily 90% of Windows XP work. Looks like a .999 release from my perspective. ;)

Does your comment imply that MeeGo could be a very serious and legible contender rival to PC and Desktop OS? Taking on the linux stable, Windows and Mac OS at some stage?

That sounds pretty much exciting.

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Summary for those who missed it follows...

Nokia 5 step process
1. Design and produce an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment.
2. Pre-market it as being fashion-statement merchandise
(focus on trendy disco-hopping fluff-worshiping socialites - actively ignore potential business usages)
3. Wait about 6 months after announcing it to actually ship.
(Be sure to ship to different parts of the world on different months,
even different years if possible)
4. Make sure that development and support is merely an imaginary rumour enterprise
(I read that Oracle is setting the benchmarks in this regard these days)
5. Utterly renounce the product and completely abandon both
hardware and software fundamentals before the line is even completely sold.

...repeat as necessary...

They did not do that with the 9210 but they began
this business model with the 9500 (~9300 for the limp-wrist set)
and completely alienated their business market sector
with the soso e90 and the n97 trainwreck

Anyone care to wager on how long the Meego thing runs
before Nokia steps to the plate and abandons Meego N9
for yet another OS twist ?
They say 'sometime in 2011' so roughly you see this
dreamware showing up on shelves by Christmas next year (maybe)
and by the next summer it will already be replanned around INTEL chipsets
(oops, there went all the driver/code we were using in ARMEL,
shucks - now the widgets and apps are misbehaving,
meaning an excuse to switch to a new OS - yet AGAIN)

The best predictor of near future behaviour is recent past history.

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investing to fremantle wouldn't probably have been realistic option even without meego. testing stuff and experimenting probably would have been realistic for fremantle. but still the most of the commercial content would probably have utilized the drm chip (and multitouch) and that would also mean no content to fremantle or demos/similar at maximum.

probably not, but this is exactly what I mean when I talk about step 4. early EOSL is not what I'd say because appearance of harmattan would have EOSL:d fremantle at the same point or even earlier.

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1. Step 4/5 (but it is still awesome)
2. Step 5/5 comes in Q4/2010-Q1/2011
3. Step 4 and step 5 will have radical hardware differences
4. N810 stopped getting support after an year because it had major HW differences (opengl used with the homescreen etc...)
5. The goal for nokia is to reach step 5 and when that happends, Maemo will be mainstream os

at least for me the conclusion is pretty obivous... and MeeGo didn't probably alter the outcome at all.

source for 1,2,3 and 5: nokia keynotes sept 2. 2009 by Vanjoki and Kallasvuo
(you probably don't need to search the sources for 4. too long...)

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Not good enough. The old share online did not push you towards social networks and 3rd party apps.
Share online is mainly about pictures and video's right? And N8 is deemed a camera phone. Flickr anyone? Take an E71 compare and cry for Nokia selling out to "the there is an app for that" qty above quality...

edit: forgot to mention: posted out of back of car 30km out of Hanoi, while uploading some BlessN900 pics to Flickr all on my own without Nokia supporting my device

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You do understand that in the 5-step-plan, only step 5 would be a mass-market product that is ready for the average end user. step 4 ist not considered ready for the mass market (or the typical end user). - this is where your analogy fails: yes, every consumer electronic product is a step to the next... but only very few are designed to not reach the mass market, to not please the crowds, to be an incomplete concept device for geeks and enthusiasts. This is the one point that you didn't get.

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I understand why Nokia marketing lie, that is their job. But why do you lie for them?

If Nokia think that the N900 is not ready for mass market, don't you think that this very important bit of information should appear somewhere on this page? http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

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So you're logic is that either way, N900 users would have been been left out to dry so we're no better or worse with MeeGo or Harmattan. I guess I should be more careful next time.

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Not designed for mass market has nothing to do with it. This thread isn't about having to revert to terminal for a setting or having to use on-device backup. This isn't about not having PC Suite support. This is about removing support and refusing to patched closed source.

Additionally, defending utter scre*youfullness as step this of that is an excuse and nothing more. I am on my way to beating iPhone in terms of sales. That's step 2 of 2. Until then, my middle finger is step one. Only 600€.

A stepstone product is expected to lack implementation. You know, like no USSD, no MMS, functions without UI, stuff like that. It doesn't imply that it's going to be killed off. There is no reason for a company the size of Nokia to not allow a few good men to keep polishing a product.

I simply can't understand why people associate a released product announced as one in a series to be ephemeris incarnate.

"Your honor, I don't think I should pay child support, because this was always child 4/5, it was a test and, really, I simply wanted to see how it goes. I know we gave it a name and all, but we decided to focus our resources on the little one. Oh, and, the first 3? Them too. Oh, and, we want them abandoned, because they're ours and we decide its fate. No adoptions."

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So what should they say there? "If you are only interested in devices that will be sold in millions, please go away thx bye!"

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I think this is an unfair comparison.
1. The N900 had 32GB of flash memory. Even today a 32GB ?SD costs about 100?
2. We are talking about Nokia pricing (High end Nokias at least here are always a bit overpriced) For example the N900 was all the way cheaper than the less capable N97 and for a long time on par with the N97 mini price (8gb)

so maybe we did get a beta discount after all...

btw today on amazon it costs the equivalent of 267?
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Head Shop

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There are countless other examples. Samsung Omnia HD immediately came to my mind.....

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I have to disagree with the first point. The parts of android 2.x that are closed may be fewer, but they hurt much more than those on M5. At least for me. Call Recodring is just the prime example and what held me back from buying a Galaxy S based phone.


I mostly do agree with the last part. If Meego gets the same treatment as N900, Nokia is dead for me.
If the N9 wouldnt look so promising, Nokia holding back Flash10 would have already made N900 my last Nokia.

Symbian is dead for me anyway. N95 was the last good Symbian device. Omnia HD had potential but Samsung blew it just like Nokia with N97 & Co. N8 is somewhat better but I guess they will never get the combo TouchUI and Symbian right.

With all its little problems and shitty manufacturer support there is not a single alternative to N900 for me at the moment.

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It looks like you took those words just out of my mouth.
I cant agree more.

I just want to add that if you'll just open your eyes and have a look around you'll come to realize that the N900 was marketed in places like India and Europe.
There is no official Nokia Advertisment about n900 thats says, even in the tiny print at the end that this is a step 4/5.
For me this is FRAUD.

I did my research, but how many were pushed into buying that 600$ device just because the salesman told them the specs. Now how many of they werent disappointed.
People with money, usually go to the store to buy things. Smartphones included. They know what sounds good and what isnt.
So in just about every prespective the N900 sounds great(except wg. maybe). Had they know that when trying to update to PR1.3 they had to get their device flashed(using NOKIAs OVI), would they still buy it? doubt it.

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You proved his point. Did you actually read the page? Very first word:

RAW

It says it again in the first paragraph. And no where does it say smartphone or use the word phone at all. But it does use the phrase "mobile computer" a few times. And look at the bottom right of the image. Know what that is? It's a fvckin' stylus.

Wow, pretty mainstream and non-geeky for late-2009.

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some many victims of Stockholm Syndrome here

if you had a negative experience with the N900, dont waste your time to convincing the evangelists here otherwise, just STOP buying Nokia products and work to convince your real lie social network not to buy them too. That is your ONLY right as a consumer in the market place.

Arguing is just a waste of time, Nokia doesnt give a toss about what is written here. They have your $$$ this time. Dont let them have it next time.

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really? "raw"? thats your proof?

lets go together of the DICTIONARY definitions of the word raw!
hmmm ok, thats seems like it. oh but wait! theres something else!
So really, which definition do you think nokia had in mind?!
which definition do you think I had in mind?!
I think they are the same.

so as Thomas Gray once said, "ignorance is bliss".

EDIT: just wondering, in which section of an electronics store is the n900 is being sold in? computers? tablets? NO! hence your point is invalid!

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You don't seem very blissful.

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Read this

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=51

JavisPedros very succint summary of the Nokia marketing process

If you dont like this process, move onto another brand.

Nokia will not change while this spins $$$ for them (hey it worked for 4 devices already !)

I wish more ppl were cynical on TMO and less evangelists were around - would have saved many newbies from getting burnt.

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i'm sorry it came out like that.
I just dont like it when people side the corporations even when its obvious that the corporation did something wrong. Unless your are a Nokia empoyee and then your subjectivity would be logical.

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hey, i have no problem with the phone, i went well past the obvious Nokia marketing before i bought mine.
I said all this for those who didnt.

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Reading your description, it's as if you're describing some archaic development platform which are restricted from the public. And if one is to blame nokia's 'distribution partners' for oh, so successfully distributing the n900 to the hands of unworthy masses, shouldn't Nokia do something to stop that mistake?

Who's accountable for what?

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I don't think quantity sold is the issue.

Something along the lines of

would make things pretty clear ;)

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The n900 is a supercharged n810 with a cellular radio. You've been here since June, do you even know what an n810 is?

It's a newly forming open source world, and Nokia has put themselves on the bleeding edge of it. Have they done a good job? I'd give 'em anything from a C- to a C+. If they'd release all their Maemo source (the ultimate support), I'd give them an A-. There's no magnetometer in the n900, so they can't get the A.

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So you say that the n900 is really a n820? give me a break.

does an n810 can get easily into your pocket? no.
does the n810 has cellular radio? no.
arnt those two characteristic crucial? arnt they alone enough to change the device definition? i choose yes, you choose no.
so lets agree to disagree.

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No, you disagree with Nokia. I could give a sh*t.