Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

That ^ was rhe BEST drunken post I have ever read.

(postes drunk from my N900 on a bus on a way to New Years Party)

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

A Nokia WP7 phone would suck, since Nokia's hardware sucks and the only real thing that separates the WP7 phones is their hardware.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

But if the only separation in the other WP7 phones is just the hardware... and Nokia produces great hardware, you've basically invalidated your own argument.

</devil's advocate>

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

i second that, nokia hardware is rather nice.
its just that for the software, they havent quite found the sweet spot.

personally i think WP7 is quite nice, at least i like it better than iOS. but havent used it too much until now so this is not my final judgment.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

Of course, but that's purely hypothetical. Nokia haven't produced great hardware since the days of the N95. I'm not talking about build quality, I'm talking about the guts of the device. When talking about that hardware, Nokia is mediocre at best right now.

After all, the N900 is Nokia's lone A8-based device, which they were so proud of that they even tattooed it onto it!

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

well I say exacly the same to you :) I just did say it cause you seems so sure it will NOT happen. soo now I ask u what backup do you have?

yes I know the old leadeship has said they will not release any phones except meego/symbian but fact is there is a new leadership now.

I dont base my thougts on a russian blog but I base it more on the fact that this is how bussiness work. Like it or not but it could infact happen...

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

The new leadership has expressed stronger public commitment to the relevant technologies (Qt, MeeGo) than the old one ever did.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

Well, I went to get myself a Samsung Wave S8500. Dirt cheap right now (not exactly, the prices have risen again, the day after I got it). Anyway, Bada is a platform. It is unlike everything previously made. Bada is lots of bits and pieces at Samsung put together into a platform. You could say the development is at least 10 years old, but then you could also say that MeeGo is 20 since Linux is 20 (or thereabout).

But, the main point, Bada needs an OS core, a kernel. Bada may run any kernel, be it Linux, Symbian, or whatever. For the Wave, Samsung chose OpenBSD or FreeBSD (don't now exactly, but it doesn't matter). The platform had to be put together, and the OS core had to be (heavily) modified and made to work on Samsung's mobile platform. Let's look at Nokia and MeeGo. Qt is 15 years old, Linux is 20 years old. Nokia has worked on Maemo for 5-6 years. The Bada OS in the Wave is exactly the same amount of work as a working MeeGo OS (a working kernel and a platform). Samsung did it in a year, for Nokia it takes forever.

Besides, I am Nokia's target audience for MeeGo/Maemo, but since there are no MeeGo devices coming at least not within 6 months, I went to get a Bada device. What does that mean? it means Nokia has lost one phone, Samsung has gained one, and why? because although Nokia has a great plan, they simply do not know how to execute it. That is Nokia's problem - execution. (got a N8 for my wife :) though )

The Wave has a SAMOLED 480x800 resolution (the best screen ever produced on a mobile device), a 1 GHz ARM Cortex A8, HD video, GPS etc etc. 1500 mA battery, talk time 15 hours, standby of 25 days. A fully multitasking OS based on OpenBSD/Bada. Now, show me a Nokia phone with these specs, and we can talk target audience. I am not really arguing though, Bada can also run on RTOS for the very cheapest of smartphones, but if you look at how Samsung is developing the Bada portfolio, they start from the top going slowly down.

The wave started selling in May-June in a few places only, and Samsung has sold 5 million Bada devices in 2010 (mostly Wave S8500). By comparison Nokia has sold 4 million N8 in the last couple of months last year. Both have sold more than expected. As a comparison, the most selling Android phone ever, the mega-hit Samsung Galaxy S has sold 10 million all together last year, and the iPhone 4 has sold around 16 million.

The best phone out there right now is the N8, no question about it. Yes, Symbian^3 is a (tiny) bit more clunky than Android, Bada, iOS, WP7, but that will improve in January (now). What it looses in clunkyness, it more than makes up in functionality, and when the clunkyness is gone - Symbian will be the best OS in every respect. After Symbian comes Bada. Bada is good because it is the perfect mobile platform in an industrial sense, and it is smooth and nice and "modern".

So I start wondering, why does Nokia need MeeGo? It seems to me that right now MeeGo needs Nokia more than Nokia needs MeeGo. For Intel HW, yes, that would be a path for Nokia, a path that makes sense. For ARM I see no point anymore, and with Qt as a platform (somewhat) similar to Bada, it is a total waste of time and money.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

@ericssson: 2 things...

1. You seem to think an OS is an OS, a 'platform' is a 'platform'. "The Bada OS in the Wave is exactly the same amount of work as a working MeeGo OS (a working kernel and a platform)." It's not so simple as that. They are not the same and so not the same amount of work.

2. You wonder why Nokia needs MeeGo since they have Symbian. Very simply, Symbian is not capable of keeping up with future demands of mobile hardware and software. MeeGo is.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

But have they come out to point out that the rumors are false? Saying you're dedicated to QT, Symbian and MeeGo isn't the same as saying that you're not doing Android and Windows Phone 7. That's the communication problem at hand. It's even carried on throughout most of the press.

But then, as NDI points out, they seem to have commitment issues. Didn't they also keep saying they were committed to Maemo too? How about those backports of Fremantle to the N8x0 for the community? How's that going? Before that, how about their support for Mer? How did that work out? Sometimes Nokia says one thing but does another.