Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

And these are the people whose motto is 'Connecting People'
and whose flagship phones for business were called the 'Communicator' series.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

What company are you comparing Nokia against in terms of communication about unreleased products?

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

Microsoft acknowledged Project Natal, later renamed Kinect before it was ever on sale. Even explained it, had videos, et al. Windows Phone 7 had a portal months before it came out - stepped on the toes of the (doomed) KIN Studio, but it was out (required Silverlight though).

Google constantly talks about what the next iteration of Android and other products (Google Voice for instance) will bring about. Even had some lengthy videos that explained it.

Apple has MacWorld. They hype the ever-loving bejeebus out of their forthcoming products, but the products are announced, explained, shown off before their release date.

Samsung explained each variant of their Galaxy S series before it came out. We knew the screen type, form factor, who was getting what, potential (and promises broken) update dates, specs months before release.

Dell had a micro-site for the Dell Streak, pages for the Dell Venue Pro (formerly Lightning) and explained the operating systems, pricing and features.

Blackberry has an active SDK program whereas you can program for the PlayBook (right now), communications about how they are tweaking the battery performance but it will not delay the product.

HP has commentary, white papers, communication about WebOS 2 after their purchase of Palm's WebOS. Speculation aside, HP has been upfront about who is working for them - Ari Jaaksi for instance - and ultimately they've laid out some of their upcoming (couple of quarters at least) pertaining their upcoming phones and at least a very visible dedication to WebOS by the HP execs.

Meizu has shown off iterations of their M8 UI, the Android UI updates and changes, specs, even shown it off via photos and video months before its debut (today actually).

Lenovo showed off the oPhone in video and had overseas announcements (China) about which carriers will be carrying that phone, the OS, the updates, the specialized apps, the camera and other hardware specs before its release.

I can keep going. Nokia has said "We're committed to MeeGo, Qt, et al..." and yet have not done much more than that. The 1.1 demos are great, the community is driving most of those videos though. People putting MeeGo on a HTC HD2 or Nokia N900 is the community. The Intel based iterations, WeTab inclusive, have not been community based; however it's not ARM based... which historically Nokia has committed themselves to supporting for their handsets.

Nokia is more quiet about upcoming products than most any other company out there. Rumors? They don't have to address those. I wouldn't. But finding definitive information other than "every 6 months, a new MeeGo build" (which was stated only here from my recollection) is not in the public as it should be.

Not compared to any other company. But for comparison sake - and I truly ****ing hate to be the one answering more than I am answered - let's see who you compare their communication to and give out details - as I had done above.

Thank you in advance.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

No comment on Android OEM's - they don't write the software, so they don't have much to communicate anyway.

Apple says nothing about upcoming iOS products before they launch them. They never share the source code.

Google dumps the source code when they make a new version of Android. MeeGo source code is developed live in the public repositories.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

Erm... the OEM's have to differentiate themselves via hardware. Just as I stated before, they tend to do that.

Apple is a closed source company for the most part - Safari and their contributions to Webkit withstanding. You've gone from how does Nokia not communicate to a much narrower type of communication that means only code now?

Seriously?

And I still somehow missed to whom you are comparing Nokia's level of communication, or lack thereof.

Please don't let this go deeper into some semantic led conversation about source code - that was not in your original post. Plain, simple communication... Nokia sucks compared to most companies out there.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

What does not being clear about their intentions with MeeGo other than delays do for them?

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

While I agree with most of this - we do need good marketing for MeeGo and I believe Quim is spearheading that effort (http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing ).

Regarding Nokia N900 videos and MeeGo, the community around the hardware adaptation (which does include Nokia employees, bunch of people from various subcontractors, me and random people contributing) does occasionally do videos.

While it might not be obvious, some of those videos (such as u-boot dual boot of MeeGo, as an example) which looked like it was published by an individual contributor, was done by motivation of the hardware adaptation team. So the community around the hardware adaptation (and MeeGo ARM community) does produce things, it's just not with company logos, fancy animations and cool marketing always. :)

I personally find a charm in raw, hardcore hacker videos and presentations of new technologies done without a company hat on.. but there is of course a balance to be done between that and doing marketing for customers..

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

Code is a pretty extreme form of communication, compared to "saying nothing" (let alone provide code) approach taken by Apple and Google.

Note that launching a product and sales release are different things. Nokia has not launched any MeeGo products yet, so you don't hear much about them - just like you don't hear much about iPhone5.

I agree that Nokia should be more prompt in dismissing these WP7 / Android rumors, and do it in both plain-and-simple way (like Vanjoki), and in timely fashion.

But hey, it's 2011, the year when all this speculation will come to an end. These discussions, while entertaining (for the first 7-8 times at least), are mostly a waste of time. Wait and see.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

I may be misunderstanding you, but you seem to be asking me to defend a position I don't hold.

Re: Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

But code is not the only form of communication. If that's the case, outside of Linux, you would have been left in the dark for the last 15+ years for the most part.

However, as it stands, advertising and marketing have been around for quite a bit longer.

As this discussion goes, it's been established that we were talking about marketing and advertising... not source code. If that's the measure now - all of a sudden I might add - then I'll let you have that myopic conversation with somebody else.

Hardware unseen. Processor speed unknown. Release date unreleased. This level of lacking communication for an upcoming project that's supposedly "major"... unheard of.

Give a month. We'll know more about the iPhone 5, iPad 2 or iWhatever X than we do know about the year long MeeGo process from a consumer standpoint - not this new developer only stance you've conveniently adopted.

But they're not. They haven't. And they will not. Dismissing rumors is a very low priority for any company - especially when they do no damage and are not what the company plans to do. I understand that fully. But to leave people in the dark for so long about the MeeGo based products - "it's a 2011 affair..." is all that's known. Oh... and despite a year or so of Intel involvement, those two goofy, pipe wrench cartoon-y fellows are still around on the home screen.

Progress indeed.

I predict more delays and continued lack of communication. Especially given who is supposed to be in charge of marketing... he communicates as clearly as a mudslide.

My opinion.