Eldar and others: Nokia and Microsoft Discussing WP7
 

http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/no...ia-says-eldar/

I find this one hard to believe. If Nokia are unwilling to go with Android as they would be unable to differentiate their product from other android devices then why on earth would they go with WP7 where there is no customisation in the operating system and there are strict hardware requirements?

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Nokia bend over and take windows 7 from behind. That would take the prize.

Nokia can't afford to ditching meego! Its fakey fakey

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Dont think of it as them dropping meego

But expanding their portfolio look at HTC they dont have a OS (yet) but pretty much took the world by storm just making HW for other OSes

Im sure most would agree NOKIA does a awesome job building HW also so sure some devices wont have Meego but (ugh WM7) but it keeps their name out there and consumers demanding their brand

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I don't really believe it, for the same reason as etuoyo, but I wouldn't be shocked if they made a deal to put out a windows handset or two in exchange for getting Qt some place of honor on windows mobile 7. They have alot invested in Qt and if they can get some qt-based apps in the standard windows install (like some java me apps used to be in windows 6) then they are giving app developers a large chunk of the market with a single development platform (and a good one at that).

There are youtube videos of qtquick running on android. If you are a corporate-app-writing-stooge and you can write a qtquick/qml app that runs on symbian, winmo, android, and the upcoming meego (as well as our beloved maemo), you might see bank and big-box store apps come out for those platforms first and then get ported later to iOS, not to mention mass-market games, etc.

Or it could just be that Nokia is making a full 180 on their OS position, declaring defeat, quitting their huge committment to open source, and abandoning all their OS-related work to willingly join the borg collective.

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I would. I don't expect Microsoft to give an inch, especially not permitting 3rd party toolkits that allow unmanaged code to run on their OS.

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Elop, Elop, Elop.

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First Htc is not as big as nokia yet, And if nokia don't use its power to support meego 100 percent over the next year and instead bring in win7. Nokia wont survive the battle on high end market. They will lose even more market shares and me as a customer. Go Meego!

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I am calling shenanigans on this one

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last month rumor was they was in talks with google ceo about android
this month its with Microsoft about WP7.
January there will be new rumors of a discussion with the Linux foundation about MeeGo. :D

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Is this a joke? Let's just hope this is a bad rumor.

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I would be very, very surprised if they did this but...

This is what Palm did in a similar situation. When they lost market leadership by not innovating the original PalmOS (I'm talking Garnet), they shipped Windows Mobile smartphones for a while to pay the bills.

The difference is Nokia may be losing high end market share but they are not hurting to pay the bills. I can't imagine them taking engineering and software resources away from Symbian, QT, and Meego so they can compete on the WP7 platform.

I call BS on this one...

Eldar is sitting in a bar somewhere laughing his butt off over this rumor.
David
David

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I think there is a possibility that Elop, coming from a non-mobile background, thought that his first task coming to Nokia would be to get them on board the WP7 boat; because it is "shiny".

Hopefully his first weeks in the job showed him that such a move is not good, at all.

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Would be idiotic to bring Windows to Nokia.

Symbian^3 and MeeGo is the way.

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Yes, You live close to the headquarter. Please go there and tell them that before they do something stupid.

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eldar hasn't been in the headlines recently? well, this is one way to handle such issue especially when there are problems getting unreleased models from nokia for review.

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I have thought over 10 years also that noone should use MS Windows when there is Linux distributions which enable much much more; but still most of the relatives and people I know in RL use MS Windows, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook.

Technically best does not always win. Think Amiga.

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Wrong apple first! :D

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- Google would love Nokia to use Android

- Microsoft would love Nokia to use WP7

It would be weird if both Microsoft and Google representatives were not directly in contact with Nokia, trying to push their respective platforms.

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Nokia, has made 2 big mistake and one relay good move.

1) they dide'nt innovate and evolve Simpian fast enough and thought it would have a longer shelf life.

(good move) Meamo, was the perfect long term strategy for total market domination provided Simbian didn't become obsolete overnight and maemo could grow organically. This trajectory was a game change and the only reason I own an n810 and an n900. (there was defiantly talent in Nokias strategy team to try this.)

2) The second mistake is discovering the first mistake, and attempting to accelerate a good move to cover for it. Canning Maemo and switching gears to MeeGo thinking you getting ahead and springing off the back of Maemo. This mistake is so huge I believe they will loose the community, enthusiasts and the power users and eventualy the market.

so given the mistakes above WP7 looks like a good idea right now.
personal i cant see it succeeding either, but then it i am not on the parole and there success wasn't compromised by going with WP7 but more to the point dropping maemo, community.

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Nokia isn't HTC.

HTC is a hardware company. They don't have any single software platform they want to promote. They do not care how many Android phones they sell - they only care about the total number of phones they sell. For them, it makes a lot of sense to diversify.

Nokia is a completely different story. As long as Nokia invests in developing and promoting Meego, they cannot "diversify". Selling win7 phones means selling less Meegos, which means - sabotaging their Meego effort.

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If some Nokia employees wanted to use WP7 (or Android), it would make much more sense to make a spin-off company with some hardware designers and software integrators, and retain Nokia brand for, well, Nokia stuff.

Compared to Android, WP7 would likely be a more lucrative short term endeavour - MS would pay a nice bribe to get their platform deployed, and WP7 is probably technically better than Android (this is speculation on my part - but why would it make sense to release something technically worse, when MS has all the money in the world?).

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I think Windows Phone 7 is so different from Symbian or Maemo that switching to that OS will be a big financial gamble.
Will satisfied Maemo or Symbian users buy a Windows Phone Nokia in the future? I think that a lot of them will not, hence a big gamble.
Producing phones based on WP7 in addition to Symbian (and possibly MeeGo/Maemo) is much more likely option.
WP7 is different enough and the microsoft brand might provide Nokia a way to grow in the US martket.

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seems like eldar finally found a contact to find real stuff to smoke.

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Frankly, Nokia does superb hardware but poor, poor software. I think them looking for an OS that delivers is the way to go, if not for main feed at least as a backup. And I know WM isn't exactly gold now, but MS is big and committed and if a partnership is reached WM could be tuned to the hardware pretty well.

If anything, Nokia needs to establish a relationship with an OS that is young and malleable and backed by a large company. Intel's solution isn't a bad choice, but it may or may not work well. Having a backup is far from bad from any standpoint.

And frankly, WM might kinda suck now but it's too young to call and, if history has taught us anything (by us I mean Windows developers) is that MS work is well documented, with examples and a huge user base.

I know I'm preaching to a select OSS crowd but it's not so bad, really, from developer and user standpoint. Not too good if you look to admin a Linux machine, though. On the good side, actual navigation.

Oh, and, they aren't doing damage to MeeGo. People who make the distinction from Linux to Windows will have a choice and those who don't would have bought anyway. They'll see how it goes and favor the winner. It's bad business to put all your eggs in one OS.

I, for one, welcome out new MS overlords.

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I cannot see this in a thousand years.

This is Eldar pulling the chain of all the blinkered American "tech" blogs who cannot understand, see, or believe in anything that did not originate in the USA. Therefore, the concept of dumping a OS such as Android or WP7 on nokia hardware gets those blogs creaming with excitement, because they do not understand Nokia's ideas.

Apart from anything else Nokia has been investing heavily in services over the last few years, such as Ovi music, Maps, etc. The future profits lies in those services, and not hardware or OS, as they are both becoming commoditised as the PC market has done.

Just look at the range and variations within the Symbian phones to see what I mean. Nokia can churn them out cheap and with countless small variations. That is a massive plus as it enables Nokia to tailor phones for every corner of the world. With the services and OS, Nokia is taking on Google/Microsoft, and HTC with the hardware. Nokia are playing a long game.

Quite aside from the fact that symbian3 has just been launched on phones in the last few months, and Meego is just around the corner in 2011. I think 2011 will be a milestone year for Nokia if they get it right, which I think they will.

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Make sense? Techically better - or worse? These are not M$ priorities. Can you say Windows Millenium Edition? Vista? Clippy? Why Monkey Boy Ballmer is still running the show?

M$ isn't about making sense or great products - such concepts only get in the way of maximizing corporate value and getting large bonuses. It's about making $$$. If something makes more $$$ then it IS technically better in the M$ kinda way.

I feel the urge to skip around, sweat profusely and chant 'Developers, devlelopers, developers...'

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I wish I could hack <insert your "favorite" US blog here> and write this all over it. Again and again.

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exactly.

more plausible than Nokia adopting WP7

Niklas Savander himself said in an interview that Nokia won't adopt neither Andoid nor WP7

Source: http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilep...2204005,00.htm

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Which is kind of trivial, considering using WP7 lets MS dictate your hardware.

It's bad if the end result is surrendering your brand to someone else. This is a problem with Android too.

Which is great, I suppose, if you're only looking at it from the proprietary software perspective, or the disinterested consumer. I don't see how any of that matters here in a forum frequented by people who are interested in open source and mobile OSes that don't restrict what you can do.

Why would you preach the "benefits" of what essentially iOS with a Microsoft face to a bunch of people who came here because of what Maemo is and is not relative to that OS?

Done on the N900. Nothing to do with the OS.

Nah, going with any other OS would so totally undermine MeeGo it isn't funny. People will default to the "Microsoft Windows Phone 7 powered by Nokia" device instead of the MeeGo device.

After seeing the past 14 years and what MS has done, no thanks.

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The problem with this nauseatingly bad rumor is that it makes perfect sense
in the context of bad business management reactions
as a response to less than stellar financial returns.
And even if it goes nowhere it reeks of a kernel of truth.

As a general rule (there are slashdot discussions on this)
business management almost always ends up in the hands of people
who by the very virtue of their profit-oriented acumen know very little about
what it is the business actually does.
Managers (particularly at American companies - I know) are generally chosen
for their sheer ignorance of the nuts&bolts in order to avoid
falling prey to 'inventor management' syndrome and its pitfalls.
These are two the two extremes of business management:
knowing zero about the product or knowing too much
(and consequently being infatuated by hardware and blind to economic realities).

Nokia management has probably decided they were too close
to the ground and are buying into the American ideal
of more 'management by ignorance' and less management by innovation.

We see evidence of this in their lack of resolve to stick to the business model.
Bad management is always accompanied by fundamental flip-flops
as evidenced by the recent changes at Nokia.
Abandon Symbian - oh wait, maybe not!
Abandon Maemo - it is maturing too well and is attracting hackers
Abandon hacker-ridden Meego and take up Micro$oft
Wait a moment - maybe we should reconsider Android now?

I have seen too many companies fail in my industry :(
and the symptoms are all too familiar.
First comes a bit of economic turbulence,
then comes some management tumbling gyros
then they seem to get it all together but the core competence is gone:
They sell off the technical cream in favor of better basic profits.
After that moment all that is left are the vultures who,
in another lifetime, would ordinarily be selling used vehicles
on a vacant lot somewhere on the rough side of town.

Being profit-driven is not a problem as long as you stick to your
technical business principles with a steady resolve.
When you discard your technical excellence in favor of
crude profit then all is eventually lost.
Not this moment today, not even this quarter but very quickly the
threads that hold a company together begin to unravel.

Someone please turn out the lights when you leave Nokialand...

Windows mobile on Nokia smartphones?End of meego?End of Nokia !?
 

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-windo...ider-20120194/
http://meego.de/forum/szene-news/178...microsoft.html

It seems, that nokia plans to produce windows 7 smartphones and might stop meegoo and symbian?

OMG what is nokia doing?

This is the end of nokia!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

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if thats really true i will go back to basics and buy a pager.....

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Meh
I call bovine feces. *yawn*

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Dont believe everything you read.....wait for truth...it will set us free

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Unless you're a criminal, the truth will lock up!
lol

but as said, this is a truckload of bovine faecal matter!

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If it's true I don't see any strangeness: Nokia is mainly an hardware producer so they main focus is to sell phones. Meego is their focused OS but it doesn't sound strange to me if they could sell phones supporting other OSes.
Bye!

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>Eldar

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I'll be amazed if this is actually true however...

..ex-Microsoft Executives never really let go of the "Microsoft apron strings". No matter what company they end up working for somehow their "loyalty" to Microsoft is always absolute.

Somehow the "infected" company starts to align with Microsoft interests.

It's like installing one of the mafia into your organisation.

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If you have thicker than normal skin, like our buddy 'ol pal Eldar here, it never hurts your blog to cook up some weird ***** shiite and then, if against all odds this delusional idea of yours actually comes to fruition, you'll be able to say "I first reported this...". Otoh, if and when nothing happens, your boiling pot of crap is quickly forgotten as you continue to spew whatever soup du jour you have in mind, accompanied by some "latest" photos and/or video...

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I think that nokia shouldn't go at all weddings at the same time,
like apple they should concentrate one one thing and do it properly.

For me it makes no sence to develope for maemo, meego, symbian and windows at the same time..