N900, Adobe Flash 10 and Nokia bad management
 

Adobe has showed fully hardware accelerated Flash Player 10.1 running on Nokia N900 on October 05, 2009.

Since then, Texas Instruments has even published optimized for ARM Cortex-A8 Flash 10 binaries on it's website. (Which are not publicly available for download.)

N900 is a great device, but it's Flash support is crap. With Adobe Flash 9, which is the latest available version, I am able to play only about 20% of the flash videos on the net. I ask myself, why Nokia didn't include Adobe Flash 10.1 in it's recent software updates?

Needless to say, I'm really disappointed by this issue and I can only guess it's cause. I think that when Nokia management decided to abandon ARM platform altogether, they probably didn't want to pay Adobe for it's latest hardware optimizations.

And we, the people who bought N900, are the only one to loose. When I buy flagship device, I expect flagship support, which is definitely not the one I see coming from Nokia.

Since most of the Maemo software is opensource, we can fix lots of the issues on our own, but Adobe Flash is proprietary software, with it we are left to the tender mercies of Nokia and Adobe.

Ironically, current N900 Flash is older and slower than Adobe Flash on Android devices on the same processor. Google probably cares about it's customers a little more.

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Did you use search at all?

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Ohhh there is post new message button and I have high priority info from my point of view. Let´s make new message :) Kha-chinggg...

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It's arguable that either iteration of the FP10 was accelerated - what was shown at Adobe MAX or the TI version.

And this thread sums up most of what you've brought up in one way or another.

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nokia does not read this board - so they dont give a **** about what you wrote

so go buy android and recommend it if you like google - cause posting here is not going to do jack

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how about this "little" thread over here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922
IMO almost everything has been already said and analyzed :|

This is quite good stuff:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=892543

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only 20% with flash 9???
whhhattt??????

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Install TweakFlash app.....

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nokia is a dumbphone company. Nobady likes them but they dont care...

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great thread. keep em coming

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slender, thanks for a link to post by quole, this was informative reading.

jakiman, I'm talking about hardware-accelerated flash videos, not version spoofing.

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Wow. This went downhill in record time.

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Lotta *******s hit this thread hard, anyway, I completely agree with the original poster.

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Ahem, let's attempt to clear up some of the many misconceptions in this post.

1) It is very likely that not only was the fabled Oct 2009 Adobe demo not hardware accelerated (since a hardware accelerated version for ARM still does not exist) it may not have even been Flash 10.

2) The Flash 10 developer plugin from TI is crap. It performs even worse than the version n900 has.

3) I don't know what videos youre watching (p0rn maybe?) but I would say more like 80% work for me with tweakflash set to version 10

4) Nokia has done the exact opposite of abandon ARM

5) It is Adobe's responsibility to make Flash 10 available for ARM Linux, not Nokia.

6) The n900 is NOT a flagship device. It is a niche device, big difference. High specced and high priced != flagship. Flagship is what the company wants be known for in the mass market (think Motorola Droid).

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The fact that so many people start similar threads is of course an indication that they are correct -- they represent the honest opinion of the people Nokia sells phones to. It's a shame that Nokia isn't just a dumbphone company, as someone posted above -- it's also a dumb phone company.

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Vimeo. Facebook. There are plenty of others that made the switch.

They're too busy abandoning Maemo.

Disagree. It's up the manufacturer because they'll be the ones supporting it, not Adobe.

But it's also not the lowest spec'd machine either. In fact, it's the only Maemo phone. That may not say "flagship" but it definitely isn't chopped liver.

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Or that they are utterly unfamiliar about the processes that result in the software in their hands, being misled by marketing and superficial personal experiences. You know, just like when almost everyone believed and found it very logical to believe that the Earth was at the center of the universe (and flat).

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Unnecessarily high standards of expectations surrounding the area of updates, whereas there really wasn't a phone that had received an update to the Flash player until... well, very recently.

Flash Lite updates don't count.

As it stands though, the part they're correct about is that the update, while shown as very possible has not yet happened.

Nor will it. Want to address anything, address that.

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im going for a galaxy tab 9am tomorrow morning, still a little unsure about it as i know nothing about android, having only gave nokia my money for the past 10 years!
lack of flash support and half baked firmwares did it,
AND ITS YOUR LOSS NOKIA as far as im concerned,
sure, ill want the n9 when its released, but if there not releasing it until it actually works properly (for a change!) thats not gonna be until 2012 at least!
also while im venting... i bought my wife an ipad recently and was blown away with the shiny polished os and the quality of the apps!
its like ive had my head in a box for the past few years!
(keeping my n900 to use as a phone still, so dont flame me too much!)

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cfh11, thanks for informative response.

3) For example, http://rutube.ru/tracks/1111536.html...a6934dc3e855c2 won't work at all.
Videos from video.aol.com are heavilly dropping frames.

Attila77, what the hell are you talking about? I've made sufficient research before I bought the phone. And I bought it not because of Flash support. By the way, I am an engineer and a software developer, and I consider myself familiar with so called processes. The only reason I complain is that the lack of proper Flash support is a big disadvantage of otherwise great device. Also, stop the ********. Hardware Flash acceleration is a doable issue. I'm not asking N900 to give me a blowjob or make coffee. It's a pity if you can't comprehend the difference.

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Version spoofing still makes most sites work. (much more than 20% you claim)
I feel ya. But yeah, this has all been discussed before.

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So, where is that public HW accelerated Adobe ARM Linux Flash player build ? It's not like we don't want Flash10.1 on the N900 (well, as of late I kind of have second thoughts about this), but what's the point in sinking money and/or effort into something that has shabby performance and no promise of not going through the same ordeal again when the next version is released ? And as for hardware acceleration - I have the feeling that there is a lot of smoke-and-mirrors going on as to what is actually accelerated on what platform and on what devices.

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vimeo.com works great in the ipad browser, and i mean really great, awesome HD quality, i take it thats running html5 ?
not really sure what that is but seem to remember peope saying pr1.2 would bring html5 support, yet vimeo still wont work
and ipad does apparently play flash via the skyfire app, from what ive read it converts the flash video to html5 before sending it to the device, could that not be a solution for the n900?

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This thread -> to the trash bin...
We already have one big thread about this subject - why bothering to elaborate the same things over and over in different threads? Just because the OP wanted some personal attention? Then he should go and adopt a dog or something... Why bother us?

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jakiman, I'm talking about 1/5 of the videos which I personally want to watch.

attila77, maybe you are right and I expect too much...

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Vimeo's HTML5 player is relatively new. It was in beta earlier in the year and the newer embedding method came a bit later - like mid-year or so.

Their move to FP10 though was almost immediate - and really frustrating. Their older video player didn't use any bit of the newer FP10 features either. Not from what I could see.

The standard browser on the N900 is marginally HTML5 compliant - I say that with some reserve since HTML5 isn't a standard as of yet.