Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

The argument against dual core cpus for the next Nokia released phone is that MeeGo isn't optimized for it.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Yeah and OpenMoko was a succes? No! Did it work for everyday use? No!

And as I said before, I guess many of us who still beleive in Meego will be a bit dissapointed especially those who believe it will be fully open sourced and at the same time fully working for everyday use.

Some can dream but I am a realist.

If meego shall succes it need "payed developers" and some payed developers does'nt want to be fully open source. And trust me those is also needed. Some developers is scared for open source model too. Especialy those developers or softwarecompanys that has worked in closed projects all theyr life... The same goes for SoC manufactors (who often has closed drivers for GFX etc..) like Texas vs Intel vs Samsung etc...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

By that logic, Ubuntu and Redhat aren't either.

Did I say it was? I was citing an example of something that was fully open.

You won't get the GSM stack, some device-specific firmware or a handful of driver bits (probably video,) but MeeGo as an OS is already more open than Maemo was. As I understand it, everything necessary to make MeeGo on the N900 fully functional is already available, it just needs to be hooked up, which is what Stskeeps and his team are doing every day.

It already has paid developers working on it, and everything they do with MeeGo is open source. Vendor specific stuff is not part of MeeGo, and that is what will most likely be closed.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

I guess this also are true for Android. But the companys still release HW based on it to make it LOOK like it is not the case...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

You won't get the GSM stack, some device-specific firmware or a handful of driver bits (probably video,) but MeeGo as an OS is already more open than Maemo was. As I understand it, everything necessary to make MeeGo on the N900 fully functional is already available, it just needs to be hooked up, which is what Stskeeps and his team are doing every day.

Hmm gfx driver is closed if I remember it correct. Also the BMI stuff. But it great to see that Nokie employers helped to make that work.

It already has paid developers working on it, and everything they do with MeeGo is open source. Vendor specific stuff is not part of MeeGo, and that is what will most likely be closed.[/QUOTE]

Yes and I dont see this as bad.

Maybe I did understand you at the begining my point was just that some will start bash like hell when they realise that non HW based on Meego will be fully open source. I guess the meegoforum will be as full at this forum with whining and bashing about it ;)

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

I just want longer battery run time and optimized HW and SW on power consumption and speed aspects. Average CPU and GPU power is just enough. Just sweet spot on cpu&gpu / battery consumption / price variables.

@mikecomputing
Don´t you get it? Meego is open. This is fact. Now repeat that n+1 times. I would at least expect that all UI code is closed on Nokias own version of OS that is based on Meego.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Yes Meego CORE is open but I havent seen any HW based on Meego soo far where everything is open source! Drivers now you repeat n+1 times?

If you can show me fully working handset or tablet that is fully opensource and working for everyday use then I will beleive it noit before...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

@mikecomputing
btw. Learn to use quotes.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

@mikecomputing.
This is at least something:
http://pandaboard.org/

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

But neither are being used for a phone, not directly.

But more work has been done in getting Android to utilize multiple cores. We've yet to see MeeGo finalized.

The point I was making was not from a logical standpoint of what we'd like, but moreso what Nokia would probably say in not releasing multiple core phone.

To be honest, going from a 600mhz A8 to 1.2ghz dual core A9 is very unlikely for Nokia.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

I kinda wish I could have a discussion with you, but I can barely tell the difference between what you're quoting from me and what you're answering back. It looks like a big staticy mess of noise whenever you try to answer. As someone previously said, learn to use quotes. I'm not bothering to read through to respond to this mess.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

This thread is obnoxiously long because Nokia failed to meet a deadline? Not really.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

this is how we kill time here.
look for the threads when-ever nokia took preorders and extended the shipping dates for n900.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

nokia have no offical deadline for the N9. (If you don't use Elop's words as a deadline ;))

So you might be right.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

No, it's long because we're all quoting your message to respond to it. :)

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Funny. I was actually reading the passed few pages, you've got some good points.

Funny too how in so many forums so many people will completely spin off topic and carry on with it for pages and pages and pages.

By the way, I never meant that I wanted this thread to stop, I was just mentioning the original poster's question/statement-thing has been answered.


Edit: the tags are hilarious.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

last time I checked the gfx driver was not opensource...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Not complaining--I just thought it was funny that everybody for the last few posts were quoting the same original message you wrote. :)

...and you're welcome for the tags. ;)

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

353 days left of 2011. in case anyone missed that.

I'm also trying to keep my hopes high for the meeting in barcelona. Just a comment about meego progress or N9 would be enough.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Maybe they'll have a big all-day conference about Symbian and then at the end, a quick mention that the N9 is "kinda neat"and that you'll love it when you see it. Mysteriously, the announcer will twirl in place in a cloud of smoke and disappear.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Didn't Intel/Nokia announce Meego last year at MWC...what have happened since then?

ohh yes...progress!

http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/wp-...1/VM_Meego.jpg

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Meego progress continues, Waiting continues. 352 days to go...

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Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

If you really are intested here are some tips what has happened since then:

http://wiki.meego.com
http://qa-reports.meego.com/

several mailiinglists with info
also irc channels at freenet

but most activitys is probadly:

http://meego.gitorious.org/

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

How do you quantify this "more work" ? I find it amusing to claim than on a phone, multicore somehow works differently, and that a full Linux and Qt, both multithreaded and asynchronous for decades, are somehow not optimized for multicore operations. Unless you meant "more work *needs* to be done" in Android to utilize multiple cores.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

This is boggling. I thought there was talk about how Android was a natural for multi-core, what with its virtual machine architecture. (i.e. http://blog.alsutton.com/2010/12/30/...e-android-101/)

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

What I was referring to was:
Qt is *by default* asynchronous in most use-cases, with a very strict focus on thread-safe/reentrant functions. It actually takes effort and proactive bad programming to end up with something that does not take advantage of multiple cores, and that is even true for applications already existing on the N900. Yes, if there was a multi-core Maemo5 device, the existing Qt apps would automatically get a degree of multi-core sweetness. That's why I find it funny when I hear doubts that MeeGo will somehow be inferior in that regard.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Never said it was inferior. MeeGo just isn't out yet. It needs to be out for me to say anything about how it is either better, worse or compares to anything else out there.

Wiki page links and statements mean very little without your own experience of the final version of the OS on final hardware.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Lucky for me I can't find a n9 on market today. Just can't afford it today. Might have the money tomorrow. 351 days of money hunting...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

So if Meego 1.2 isnt going to be ready till April, why are some sites reporting that Nokia N9 (with Meeho I presume) will be announced in Feb at MWC ? Hard logic to follow - unless of course its back to Nokia's old Announce-Release cycle where there is a period of 6 months between the two. If that is the case then who cares.

Otherwise I dont see how Nokia can release a Meego device with a complete Meego stack and its own proprietary components when Meego itself will not be ready.

The old N9 hardware photo though still loOks very nice. Compare that to all the generic looking phoNes bought out by Samsung/HTC. Particlularly the Android phones all look similar in shape (rounded corner rectangular slab) with same looking 4 hardware or software buttons at the bottom. I understand the phones might have different internals (like the Atric) but externally they look the same (and a bit boring now).

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

1. The sites are wrong.
x. N9 announced but have to wait months or years before it hit the stores.
2. Nokia release a meego hybrid(half meego, Maemo 6)

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Because "nobody" knows about harmattan/Maemo 6 and Nokia for sure isn't marketing that name.

Will N9 ship with MeeGo-Harmattan or pure MeeGo? I tend to think that it will ship with MeeGo-Harmattan where Nokia has gone so far as they can to make it as compatible as they can to pure MeeGo, do i really know, no. :D

Major blogs have no idea about all this and i have not seen any of them mentioning harmattan, not saying they should know though.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

You sure 'bout that ?

Anyway, MeeGo actually has far more public multicore hardware than Android, it's just that you need to take the Nokia glasses off. There is the myriad of dual-core atom systems, from ARM side there is the Pandaboard, and, yes, even Tegra2 builds exist. Also, Honeycomb and Xoom et al are not released yet.

And, the usual - there is no such thing as a "final version of MeeGo" - there are only releases. There was a 1.0 release, a 1.1, a 1.2, there will be a 1.3, etc. Calling any of them final or even 'ready' is misleading at best (you will not see any version on retail products of major vendors anyway without the appropriate level of customization and optimization).

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Man I dislike, dislike, dislike Motorola..................but the facts that it´s not their own mangled operating system, but Android, and that the Atrix will be able to do what I hoped my next device after the N95, the N900, could do but can´t, means that I´m very very tempted by the Atrix.

The N900 probably could´ve done the above tasks with proper Nokia support but we know how that went.

I´ll give Nokia a chance until the fall to get the N9 smoothed and coming out working like the Atrix, with a laptop dock and a desktop dock. If not, it´s Android and the ugly-M baby. I´m not setting my hopes high up for Nokia though, it´s getting quite late in the game.

I want to carry 1 device and then docking stations around for work and play. 1 processing unit and then peripherals. Period.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Would it be crazy to suggest that perhaps the N9 we all saw has now been scrapped?

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

you can't be sure you have seen the n9 and you can't be sure it will be called n9. Their will be a first meego phone...in 350 days that is.

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Yep, I'm sure about that. Saying something isn't optimized doesn't equate to inferior by any stretch of your imagination. If it's not optimized today, it can be tomorrow.

I'm not the person with Nokia glasses on. In fact, stating that I, of all people, have Nokia glasses on is amazingly hysterical. Having dual cores and being threaded all the way down to all of your processes are two different things. Can't wait to see that level of optimization in all areas on any of these mobile OS's.

And by "final" I meant released in a product that folks can go out and buy. I don't mean the WeTab - it's not out in any other region(s) than Germany and Belgium (or is that Holland).

Wow, you swung and missed on all of your "points". Nice leap of faith though. I give you a B- on that alone.

Ciao!

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

349...three...four...nine...

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

Even if we forego these blanket statements you provided no basis for, now somehow 'M isn't optimized and A has seen more work' does not imply M is inferior to A... Well, if that doesn't mean M is inferior it can only mean A is so hopeless that even though it's being heavily worked on, it cannot rise above unoptimized status. Dunno, must be my English.

Well, good news ! Meego and Qt already do that.

Then I can say - that final version will never-ever be released, except for maybe low-q knockoffs. Every vendor will do their optimizations. That's why you can't say 'ready'. MeeGo 1.1 might not have functionality/service X, or might sluggish because of driver Y, but that does not mean products based on it don't have that sorted out (just like you count the services Google provides towards Android features even though they are not part of the core OS features).

Re: Elop said N9 is a 2011 event. It's 2011! Where is it?
 

I will keep track of any good mobile news. Still, my N900 contract runs till december 2011 so imma sit back and enjoy the Q1, then 2, followed by 3 and then in Q4 look for a decent successor of the N900. ;)