maemo.org - Talk - The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Thanks for the heads up. I saw the update earlier today and tried applying it, but it told me it needed to be applied with Nokia's PC Suite. From what you are saying I should be glad it didn't work.

arcean

2011-11-20 01:14

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightShift79 (Post 1126150)

Can anybody explain how to use portrait wallpapers properly?
how should the images been named and where should I put them and how to I activate it ?

Portrait wallpapers are still missing due to the old hildon-desktop version in the latest CSSU update. Moreover, it's the same version as in previous CSSU-testing.

kralde

2011-11-20 01:27

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

This question is probably already answered...so I'm so sorry.

The stable and testing versions have diferences?

Estel

2011-11-20 01:27

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

@joerg_rw
Thanks for quick answer, will hold with update.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerg_rw (Post 1126128)

Also please notice that update is meant to be done via HAM!

To be honest, it seems little FUD'ish to me. HAM is just frontend for apt-get, just like FAM - difference is, that FAM is Open, faster, got more features, and overall, works better ;) Personally, I've been using FAM for every and single CSSU update (from ancient ones, where HAM was not working with it at all), without *any* issues.

Of course I may be wrong here - in such case, please explain difference from technical point of view - i.e. what HAM does differently than FAM, when it comes to CSSU update.

/Estel

NightShift79

2011-11-20 01:36

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcean (Post 1126162)

Portrait wallpapers are still missing due to the old hildon-desktop version in the latest CSSU update. Moreover, it's the same version as in previous CSSU-testing.

That's bad :(
I thought it's working cos MohammadAG said it's fixed in the cssu's hildon-home

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=219

so no new features.... hmmm....

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 01:38

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1126168)

@joerg_rw
Thanks for quick answer, will hold with update.

To be honest, it seems little FUD'ish to me. HAM is just frontend for apt-get, just like FAM - difference is, that FAM is Open, faster, got more features, and overall, works better ;) Personally, I've been using FAM for every and single CSSU update (from ancient ones, where HAM was not working with it at all), without *any* issues.

Of course I may be wrong here - in such case, please explain difference from technical point of view - i.e. what HAM does differently than FAM, when it comes to CSSU update.

/Estel

Let's do it the other way round: you explain why they are identical and nevertheless fapman is faster. Oh, and btw HAM is Open as well, and it is using apt-worker and does some trickery with selection of packages, while fapman is known to sometimes do nasty stuff it shouldn't do, like apt-get does.

/j

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 01:40

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

PS.: I just ran update via HAM from CSSU-16.8 to Tmaemo1, seems it worked flawlessly

/j

gabby131

2011-11-20 01:51

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

just updated to:

Version: 21.2011.38-1maemo1
Flavor: Testing

Oh yeah!

Estel

2011-11-20 01:54

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerg_rw (Post 1126173)

Let's do it the other way round: you explain why they are identical and nevertheless fapman is faster.
/j

Hey, this is sophism :p (as opposed to meritocracy ;) ) Going this way, I could ask You why people can perform every upgrade via fapman, and don't have any issues. Not to mention, that I haven't said "it's identical" - I've said that it is also frontend for apt.

AFAIK, the rule of thumb is that person stating something - like You telling us, that we should use HAM, no FAM, for CSSU updates - should backup with arguments, if requested (if not in original post). Instead, You're basically telling me GTFO, using longer sentence.

Anyway, if You're not willing to use hard arguments, I'm not going to continue this topic further - I'll check how it develops, and give a note here for others, if I come to conclusion, that FAM indeed does something wrong, while updating CSSU.

/Estel

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 02:40

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Well, there's a long record of fapman messing up things, you can find the reports via google if you'd bother to search, I'm not going to do this work for you. HAM code is open, so your claim fapman is better in that regard is plain wrong. And finally CSSU update gets tested under HAM only, not under apt-get and for sure not under fapman, and you know pretty good that "WFM" is not a valid proof for "it doesn't have the potential to cause trouble". Now you can take these statements as whatever you like, I'm not going into a dogfight about philosophy and I'm also not claiming you insulted me by telling I said "GTFO". I'll simply ignore you on this

btw:
You: I get confusing results regarding update-able pks, when using fapman. What shall I do?
Me : CSSU is meant to get updated via HAM
You: That's FUD. Deliver technical reasoning!
Me : Sorry, I'm not going to do this. If you think fapman is OK then it's up to you to prove that.
You: Duh, did you say "GTFO"?

:-( Think about it!

/j

arora.rohan

2011-11-20 03:52

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Just updated via HAM :) ! working fine! Testing Flavour!

pusak gaoq

2011-11-20 04:15

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

@Estel...

yes i do agree upgrading/installing sfuff to our beloved device using FAM is far more better than HAM...i use it to install/upgrade most of my stuff using it...

@joerg_rw...

yes you maybe right FAM sometime do messing up thing on our device...it will only do that if you enable....

Code:

autoremove unneded (automatically installed) packages

also HAM is too slow...FAM can cut time in haft for updating catalog,upgrading & installing stuff...

as for me...if it concerning installing fresh/upgrading stuff than FAM will be my choice....if upgrading stuff than is hidden (all packages in FAM) then x-term will be my best choice cause in x-term we can look closer at the installing log for error/missing/umet while upgrading hidden stuff...

in CSSU case...i always use x-term for that...:D :D :D

karam

2011-11-20 04:25

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

i wish some one can help me with my issu

when i want to update through HAM
is says to me
missing applications : maemosec-certman-applet
libmaemosec-certan-applet0

i can figure that these packages are in the new pr1.3.1
also they are at nokia repos

but the problem while enalbing nokia repo
i always get 403 in xterm :

Err https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages
The requested URL returned error: 403

etc.....

my question is
how can i use proxy or how can i make HAM uses TOR (if installed)

thanks in advance

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 04:39

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by karam (Post 1126209)

I'd guess that's the result of messing with Nokia repository settings via xterm and apt. First instance Nokia repos are not meant to get disabled, though funny enough you can disable them in HAM (but not delete).

I don't know of any way to make HAM use a proxy or TOR

maybe this helps, dunno...

Code:

IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list

deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./

deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./

deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./

deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free

Code:

[EDIT]

halley:~ # host downloads.maemo.nokia.com

downloads.maemo.nokia.com is an alias for downloads.maemo.nokia.com.edgekey.net.

downloads.maemo.nokia.com.edgekey.net is an alias for e900.g.akamaiedge.net.

e900.g.akamaiedge.net has address 84.53.167.200





halley:~ # host -a e900.g.akamaiedge.net

Trying "e900.g.akamaiedge.net"

;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45302

;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 10, ADDITIONAL: 10



;; QUESTION SECTION:

;e900.g.akamaiedge.net.         IN      ANY



;; ANSWER SECTION:

e900.g.akamaiedge.net.  20      IN      A       84.53.167.200



;; AUTHORITY SECTION:

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n8g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      a0g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n0g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n1g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n2g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n3g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n4g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n5g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n6g.akamaiedge.net.

g.akamaiedge.net.       1295    IN      NS      n7g.akamaiedge.net.



;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:

a0g.akamaiedge.net.     1711    IN      AAAA    2a02:26f0:32:f000:f506:6d09:b92b:cd3e

n0g.akamaiedge.net.     64      IN      A       213.254.245.8

n1g.akamaiedge.net.     469     IN      A       213.254.245.7

n2g.akamaiedge.net.     3       IN      A       80.157.149.212

n3g.akamaiedge.net.     231     IN      A       213.254.245.5

n4g.akamaiedge.net.     1711    IN      A       80.157.149.213

n5g.akamaiedge.net.     2427    IN      A       92.122.215.106

n6g.akamaiedge.net.     64      IN      A       193.108.94.162

n7g.akamaiedge.net.     1882    IN      A       92.122.215.113

n8g.akamaiedge.net.     2427    IN      A       92.122.215.111

[/EDIT]

karam

2011-11-20 04:47

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

well i'm sure i didn't mess with anything

it's just work if i was out of my country

i think it's blocked by nokia

/EDIT

can some one please tell me the content of

/etc/apt/auth

?

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 04:54

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by karam (Post 1126213)

...
it's just work if i was out of my country

i think it's blocked by nokia
...

Hardly, anyway you could try and use another DNS-server to point you to another one of Nokia's server farm, sometimes one or some of those servers are out of order and tricking load balancing to get another IP for the URL helps.

/j

pali	2011-11-20 04:56

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by karam (Post 1126213)

can some one please tell me the content of

/etc/apt/auth

?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49021

sheng0729

2011-11-20 06:04

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

how to update cssu thorugh HAM?

joerg_rw

2011-11-20 07:23

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheng0729 (Post 1126222)

how to update cssu thorugh HAM?

Wait for the blinking "!" in status bar, do a backup(!), click on the blicking "!", click on the associated status menu button, watch HAM open up and show "Maemo 5 Community SSU update", click "update all", click thru the dialog that appears, watch 25min of download and update, followed by a reboot.

TransTech

2011-11-20 07:50

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Successfully Installed via FAPMAN... installation use smooth... ;)

:) flavor Testing!!! :)

HELLASISGREECE

2011-11-20 07:59

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

installed through xterm. no problems so far

panjgoori

2011-11-20 08:03

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

is 720p video recording and playing is added by default in this CSSU update or we have to do everything manually ?

praveenchand

2011-11-20 08:38

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

successfully installed through xterm, so far so good...

freemangordon

2011-11-20 09:00

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

@all who want CSSU installation to be supported trough FAM - it won't happen. HAM supports functionality focused on firmware updates while FAM and apt-get don't. And it does not make sense CSSU deves/maintainers to test every software out there that could be used to install some packages.

On the other hand I know joerg hates HAM. You can think for a while why then he insist you to use it for the CSSU updates. Maybe then you will stop bloating this thread further with stupid question/requirements.

PartyboyXP

2011-11-20 09:10

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

The new version have the latest update of camera-ui ?

demoix

2011-11-20 10:16

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

what is changelist for this update?

slender

2011-11-20 10:29

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

trought xterm
about cssu page doesn't show version or flavor.

Alfred

2011-11-20 10:46

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

No, it does show you everything, the one in the settings, right?

karam

2011-11-20 12:35

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by pali (Post 1126216)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49021

hmm i see
it's the same as mine , i just thought that there are differences

anyway i'm still having the problem

these 2 packages are needed for me by nokia repo to update CSSU

maemosec-certman-applet
libmaemosec-certan-applet0

----------

i tried FAM (it has proxy option)
and

fapt-get update # failed 403 error
fatp-get install -d maemosec-certman-applet libmaemosec-certan-applet0 # of course not found :(

so can some one drop me these 2 packages ?
and i will place them at /var/cache/apt/archives
then i will update

every thing should go well without nokia repo

//EDIT

already done thanks for kolos

Mr. Incredible

2011-11-20 12:46

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

HAM says no updates available. I have the repository:

Community SSU (testing)
http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/
fremantle
free non-free

What's wrong?

zzzchainzzz

2011-11-20 13:01

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

i have been tryin to update my CSSU but it tells me i must back up and connect my phone to nokia pc suite before i can update i have connected it to nokia pc suite yet it stil doesnt update. plz can some1 tell me wat im doing wrong?

ivanrajkovic

2011-11-20 13:12

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzzchainzzz (Post 1126330)

I had the same problem with HAM, update went without a problem with FAM. As previously said in this thread, the update is tested only with HAM, so use FAM on your on risk.

peter2p

2011-11-20 13:13

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzzchainzzz (Post 1126330)

I should disconnect from pc
reboot
open xterm with root
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

It worked fine for me

Radicalz38

2011-11-20 13:15

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter2p (Post 1126334)

I should disconnect from pc
reboot
open xterm with root
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

It worked fine for me

I really don't like these type of instructions... Let me derive it into a much safer way...

open xterm with root
apt-get update
apt-get install mp-fremantle-community*

praveenchand

2011-11-20 13:31

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radicalz38 (Post 1126335)

I really don't like these type of instructions... Let me derive it into a much safer way...

open xterm with root
apt-get update
apt-get install mp-fremantle-community*

this will be safe i think rather than upgrade

zzzchainzzz

2011-11-20 13:44

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radicalz38 (Post 1126335)

I really don't like these type of instructions... Let me derive it into a much safer way...

open xterm with root
apt-get update
apt-get install mp-fremantle-community*

i did as u instructed but its says

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldnt find package mp-fremantle-community

udaychaitanya16

2011-11-20 13:44

Re: The in-development Maemo 5 Community SSU

for some reason my extras testing,devel and cssu catalogues showed error in loading.I tried again and was happy to see the update.Initially HAM updated every thing.I closed that ,opened X terminal ,and apt-get upgraded.Took battery out for few seconds.Switched on.The first change i noticed is GPS lock was very fast(4 secs) in Modrana.Thanks for the update.

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