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GameboyRMH 2011-01-20 15:11

Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/n...restown-power/

I would actually prefer a 1.5Ghz dual-core ARM-based CPU like the TI OMAP4440 or Marvell Armada. The Atom is slower and would be a power guzzler compared to an ARM-based CPU, the only upside would be the ability to run closed-source apps compiled for x86, including running Windows apps on Wine.

HellFlyer 2011-01-20 15:17

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Given the fact that in MeeGo repos there are only ARM compiled builds I find it hard to believe that Atom will power a Nokia phone , maybe it will be next year or when Intel produces a tablet platform but for handsets its very unlikely , Atom is not a handset CPU and Intel knows that and my guess is Nokia knows too. If Nokia does something stupid like this it will be the same as with Windows 7 tablets :)

sophocha 2011-01-20 15:22

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
dont know what to say.........its a gamble......

damion 2011-01-20 15:22

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Nokia have released intel compatible handsets before. The 9000 and 9110 Nokia communicators could both be booted to a dos shell and run basic x86 utilities. Also the wine option is quite exciting as long as there is still an X server (I've heard they're thinking of using some different framebuffer display manager), I guess you should still be able to start one. Sounds interesting.

D4rKlar 2011-01-20 15:27

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Needs more bezel... maybe a bezel in the bezel bezel?

http://i55.tinypic.com/hv14lx.jpg

Kind Regards,
D4rKlar

Sopwith 2011-01-20 15:28

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
LOL, this is pretty misguided and goes against everything I have read on this forum in the last three years. If that really is the case, I'd lose any compassion I have left for Nokia...

ysss 2011-01-20 15:42

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
So... MeeGo on ARM was Nokia's backup plan?

hopla 2011-01-20 15:43

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Why are you guys so surprised that the first Meego phone will be running on an Intel x86 processor??

Did you honestly think that Intel a chip manufacturer would join hands with Nokia in developing a new mobile Linux distro, only so that Nokia can produce more phones with ARM processors that are produced by other not-Intel chip manufacturers??

Get real... (trying really hard not to be snide here...)

cfh11 2011-01-20 15:47

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 924661)
Given the fact that in MeeGo repos there are only ARM compiled builds

Not true - they have been working on x86 from the start (see Aava Mobile). If true, I would not be surprised as the x86 handset build seems to be a lot further along than the ARM version. I remember Stskeeps saying a while back that for whatever reason they have encountered all kinds of problems that the x86 team has not.

HellFlyer 2011-01-20 16:08

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Yeah right I totally forgot about that :) well if that's is the case then N900 is really gonna be last and the most mistreated device in Nokia's history :D

NvyUs 2011-01-20 16:11

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
do a little bit of detective work and all the info needed to determine the CPU of the N9 is publicly available
HINT: its not a Moorestown

wmarone 2011-01-20 17:05

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hopla (Post 924682)
Why are you guys so surprised that the first Meego phone will be running on an Intel x86 processor??

Because Intel does not have Atom performance vs. power consumption down to a level that is acceptable for a mobile device. I suspect that if the N9 actually does come with an Atom device, it will be hounded and pounded for poor battery life, never mind the heat the thing will likely put off.

sophocha 2011-01-20 17:34

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
I was expecting a dual-core Meego N9 and now we have an single-core atom CPU that will drain the battery down?I don`t predict anything until I see the device.It might be excellent and Nokia will surprise us.....time will tell

zehjotkah 2011-01-20 17:37

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 924711)
do a little bit of detective work and all the info needed to determine the CPU of the N9 is publicly available
HINT: its not a Moorestown

seems that nearly nobody is reading what you wrote^^

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 17:40

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
is it medfield?

msnbcnnbcbs 2011-01-20 17:51

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...-in-2011-7.png

"Image comment: Smartphones running Intel's Medfield processor could surface in 2011"

?

efekt 2011-01-20 17:52

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
You guys got it all wrong. The N9 with ATOM is step 7 out of 5...

atilla 2011-01-20 17:59

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
i don't know whats going on with nokia but it seems they are confused.
dual core cpu's with great graphics are coming and nokia will bring a single core atom?
FAIL

craftyguy 2011-01-20 18:00

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D4rKlar (Post 924670)
Needs more bezel... maybe a bezel in the bezel bezel?

http://i55.tinypic.com/hv14lx.jpg

Kind Regards,
D4rKlar


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9dcgooOQ61qz7fvi.jpg
Yo dawg, I heard u like bezels...

NvyUs 2011-01-20 18:04

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atilla (Post 924795)
i don't know whats going on with nokia but it seems they are confused.
dual core cpu's with great graphics are coming and nokia will bring a single core atom?
FAIL

nokia have stated they will release dual core devices H2 this year.
what is a bigger fail is the engadget generation in this thread believing everything they see on the net, when a simple search in certain a place would give them concrete facts about what nokia is using.

HellFlyer 2011-01-20 18:12

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 924801)
nokia have stated they will release dual core devices H2 this year.
what is a bigger fail is the engadget generation in this thread believing everything they see on the net, when a simple search in certain a place would give them concrete facts about what nokia is using.

Insted of writing what you said two times isnt it easier if you provide that link :)


p.s. yes I'm lazy too

NvyUs 2011-01-20 18:16

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 924804)
Insted of writing what you said two times isnt it easier if you provide that link :)


p.s. yes I'm lazy too

Why should I provide links to publicly available logs, they are no harder to find than that engadget article.:)
Spoon fed generation need to learn how to research for themselves instead of using RSS feeds to the latest tech site blog rumours.:D
no offence intended ;)

GameboyRMH 2011-01-20 18:25

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
This link suggests it could be a Qualcomm Snapdragon, a single-core 1Ghz ARM-based CPU, based on a leaked spec sheet:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9__sp...-news-1890.php

craftyguy 2011-01-20 18:26

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 924807)
Spoon fed generation need to learn how to research for themselves ...

Would you consider running for office in the US government? Pretty please? :)

wmarone 2011-01-20 18:30

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GameboyRMH (Post 924816)
This link suggests it could be a Qualcomm Snapdragon, a single-core 1Ghz ARM-based CPU, based on a leaked spec sheet:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9__sp...-news-1890.php

Unlikely. That would be the equivalent of releasing a high-clock Cortex-A8 based system as your lead phone, and just as embarrassing.

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 18:40

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
log of what, IRC? or the test results?
http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Hand...tance/Ncdk/765
ia32 would be some sort of atom
"kernel-adaptation-medfield"
okay, i win


http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouc...gets/nCDK.conf

480x864 screen, hardware keyboard

ossipena 2011-01-20 18:42

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 924661)
Atom is not a handset CPU and Intel knows that and my guess is Nokia knows too.

then the title is not correct

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3876/i...bridge-part-ii

e: sorry no sandy bridge but oak trail...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3876/i...bridge-part-ii

n900maniac 2011-01-20 18:43

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hopla (Post 924682)
Why are you guys so surprised that the first Meego phone will be running on an Intel x86 processor??

Did you honestly think that Intel a chip manufacturer would join hands with Nokia in developing a new mobile Linux distro, only so that Nokia can produce more phones with ARM processors that are produced by other not-Intel chip manufacturers??

Get real... (trying really hard not to be snide here...)

True check out this link

blipnl 2011-01-20 18:50

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by msnbcnnbcbs (Post 924789)
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...-in-2011-7.png

"Image comment: Smartphones running Intel's Medfield processor could surface in 2011"

?

So.. Nokia's high end smartphones just aren't mainstream?:p

tissot 2011-01-20 18:56

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 924711)
do a little bit of detective work and all the info needed to determine the CPU of the N9 is publicly available
HINT: its not a Moorestown

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 924801)
nokia have stated they will release dual core devices H2 this year.
what is a bigger fail is the engadget generation in this thread believing everything they see on the net, when a simple search in certain a place would give them concrete facts about what nokia is using.


Exactly.
There's just some people that will jump on every rumour as the god send message. Every new and old soc has been already rumoured for N9. :D Pick your choice; OMAP3, OMAP4, U8500, Qualcomm scorpion core, Moorestown and tegra 2.

I have already since 3 months ago and pretty confident it will be it.

msnbcnnbcbs 2011-01-20 19:49

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
kernel-adaptation-medfield.i586 2.6.35.3-9.1
xorg-x11-server-Xorg-setuid.i586 1.9.0-7.7
mesa-libGL.i586 7.9-2.28
glibc.i686 2.11.90-22.12
meegotouch-compositor.i586 0.8.0-1.22

What is "nCDK-EB2"? Is this the N9?

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 20:00

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 924826)
log of what, IRC? or the test results?
http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Hand...tance/Ncdk/765
ia32 would be some sort of atom
"kernel-adaptation-medfield"
okay, i win


http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouc...gets/nCDK.conf

480x864 screen, hardware keyboard

probably n9, its something new they've started testing

no compass?

http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-mid...sord-ncdk.conf

should have magnetometer there, i think. icdk has it.

i have to get back to work. i expect full specs posted when i get back :)


oh, iCDK / nCDK = nokia / intel customer? development kit or maybe device kit?

Netweaver 2011-01-20 20:13

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Medfield (nCDK) testing has been happening already at least since September 2010:
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/2010-September/000001.html

mikecomputing 2011-01-20 20:17

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
1 Attachment(s)
PLEASE INTEL UNDERSTAND THIS :-( I DONT WANNA HAVE A FAN ON MY PHONE :-(

atm X86 platform is a bigjoke even on the desktop. I mean I have an MiniITX Dual Atom CPU and the fact that I need to have a fan and a big heatsink on it makes me SICK.

It really is time to get rid of this peace of **** platform. Learn too make non power hungrys CPU:s before making handset version of X86 platform :-(

But I will not be supprised if the rumors are true...

I I forgot I infact has removed the FAN so no it really is WARM.

I guess this is not good in the long run bou the fan sounded like a jetplan :-(

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 20:22

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Netweaver (Post 924907)
Medfield (nCDK) testing has been happening already at least since September 2010:
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/2010-September/000001.html

oooh and thats for an electronic compass driver for nCDK :)

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 20:24

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 924909)
PLEASE INTEL UNDERSTAND THIS :-( I DONT WANNA HAVE A FAN ON MY PHONE :-(

atm X86 platform is a bigjoke even on the desktop. I mean I have an MiniITX Dual Atom CPU and the fact that I need to have a fan and a big heatsink on it makes me SICK.

It really is time to get rid of this peace of **** platform. Learn too make non power hungrys CPU:s before making handset version of X86 platform :-(

But I will not be supprised if the rumors are true...

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/arm...tom,11177.html

(be quiet now)

mikecomputing 2011-01-20 20:28

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 924914)

Yeah ofcourse Intel says they are better than ARM how stupid would it be if they say different :-P

Rauha 2011-01-20 20:28

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 924912)
oooh and thats for an electronic compass driver for nCDK :)

Let's add proximity sensor to list

Proximity sensor on nCDK.


Creamy Goodness 2011-01-20 20:40

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3696/i...e-processor/16

there's no reason not to believe intel can't beat ARM in performance and power savings, they have the best technology and most R&D money. Just worry about MeeGo and hope Intel & Nokia know what they're doing with the hardware.


http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10876
"HARDWARE MODEL (on what HW this bug is uncovered):
MFLD nCDK EB3"
medfield, again.

http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10565
"And even hardware keys to adjust the call volume is missing in nCDK"
bad english but maybe means no hardware volume / zoom keys

mikecomputing 2011-01-20 20:44

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 924844)
Exactly.
There's just some people that will jump on every rumour as the god send message. Every new and old soc has been already rumoured for N9. :D Pick your choice; OMAP3, OMAP4, U8500, Qualcomm scorpion core, Moorestown and tegra 2.

I have already since 3 months ago and pretty confident it will be it.

My guess is it will run Atmels AVR32 SoC chip


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