Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

hi,
where's your references?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3696/i...e-processor/14
and we're getting something better than this, probably. assuming the n9 is based on the 'reference platform' which we just confirmed to be running at 1.6ghz.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom

is this positive say I dont like this...before...

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There seem to be a lot of people here basing their perception of the Atom on its current use in netbooks. Not only are these now previous-generation architectures, but they're running Windows 7 in most instances. It makes no sense to assume the performance of current-gen Atom netbooks will have any bearing on the performance of Moorestown if it is used in the N9.

Moreover, why does having two cores automatically make people assume ARM > Intel. Things like clock speed, number of cores etc. only matter in relation to other CPUs of the same arcitecture that have or do not have these features. They have no bearing on how Moorestown will compare to Tegra 2, etc.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

If Nokia pulls this off... I actually might buy it. Why? Because it's gonna piss off the hardcore Nokia fans.

Seriously... would an Intel chip be so much of a problem?

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

I don't care what CPU is in it as long as it works.

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Why would it piss off the hardcore Nokia fans? It's not like most people actually have any clue about what CPU is in their phone.
Although it seems the most clueless people are the ones with the strongest opinions, I think that's just a temporary problem due to the fact it is completely unproven architecture. I'm actually having trouble figuring out what is going on with that, I can only find 2-3 "phones" using it and none were ever released publicly, just some prototype / development devices. I would assume it's not that great and therefore skipped over, but upon doing some research I conclude that Intel wanted a proper OS and was delayed as Moblin merged with Maemo, so they were able to take some time and get Medfield ready meanwhile...

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

It would make perfect sense that nokia switches to intel. First of all, delaying first meego device (maybe) to approximately same dates when intels new chips should be available... after the first news about this yesterday, at least I thought that it actually is the missing piece of a puzzle you even didn't know exists...

it would be a good comeback to nokia PR wise if their HW would be fastest available at the moment with similar battery life compared to other devices...

personally I don't care what architechture a device uses. and I bet meego as an os feels the same....

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

As long as I can dual boot Windows 7 on it, I'll be happy.

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Hardware rumours are so boring nowadays, as the hardware is not really relevant anymore since a few years. It's all about apps and software ecosystems.
That's the reason while Nokia is struggling so hard these days, to make that switch.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

All i want to know is if the n9 going to have a keyboard or not because i would like the option to use one.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Atom x86?
Wine anyone?.. Let's play some Carmageddon ^_^

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Atom. No.

N9 actually going to exist and go on the market ? hmm..

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I guess this ruins any chance of closed-source N9 apps being able to work on N900, re: the "MeeGo/Harmattan on N900" thread.

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Well, you don't really do anything with apps and software ecosystem if there is no interesting devices/hardware to use them. If your device is not powerful enough, or if it drains battery too quickly, it all sets restrictions on developing apps. If for example Medfield is more powerful than competitors, equally good on power consumption(which is possible since Intel is way beyond others on manufacturing process), and additionally if Nokia actually gets custom version of the chip, it will give them upper hand. Not only for expanding possibilities for software but also marketing wise. So, even if Apple style "software is everything"-marketing jargon is popular nowadays, hardware still matters.

Nokia knows how to handle hardware, their problem has been with software and especially software ecosystems. I expect this to change with MeeGo and close cooperation with Intel. If executed correctly, it should be very good PR for both Nokia and Intel.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

You are talking about Nokia. They are stupid. This probably will happen.

Wonder if that is Nokia's game plan, they have always said they won't backwards compatible stuff, maybe this is how they will do it. Forcing all the meego fanboys to upgrade rather than just install Meego on the N900.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Except that Windows 7 was like 1000x more popular with 10000x more apps.

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From a marketing point of view, there is some merit in creating a flagship phone branded with an Intel CPU having a high clock speed. To stay in the game now, it's not about how good a phone is, it's about how good consumers think it is. The vast majority of mobile phone buyers are not concerned with the pros and cons of CPU architecture, OS efficiency, etc. when comparing specs, they only see the big number.

I don't see billboards and TV ads for Snapdragon or ARM Cortex processors, it's all Intel, everywhere. Intel is the biggest brand name when it comes to 'computer' processors. How impressed will consumers be when offered a phone with 'the same' processor as their laptop/desktop PC and an 'Intel Inside' sticker on the box?

It's like saying: "All those other phones just use obscure, puny phone processors. This baby has the same CPU as your laptop."

If Nokia can ship the N9 running Meego with an Intel CPU and demonstrate more than three day's 'real life' smartphone use out of a regular size battery, I think I'd have to take my hat off to them.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Any new rumours about which GPU plans to be inside the N9? I seem to recall old rumours saying it will beat Playstation 2 and Nintendo Wii. Plus, if the N9 trully has an x86 architecture, then it should very well be able to boot windows/wine and together with 1GB of ram, 96GB of storage (64mmc+32sd) as well as multiple connectivity and usb otg, then it really becomes a true portable laptop and could even definitively destroy the Motorola Atrix if they decide to mimic the concept and add an external screen.

But personally, I'm still awaiting a Nokia Booklet v2 (4G perharps?) with a very powerful Intel chip and Windows 7 (no MeeGo on laptops, only netbooks please...i still can't see myself replacing Windows (or any mainstream Linux distro) by MeeGo as my main primary home OS)

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I doubt Nokia makes it first MeeGo phone X86(btw something i don't believe will happen) just so that people on N900 are not getting all out from MeeGo. :D
N900 has sold so little that it makes no difference and even if it had sold something for Nokia there is much more in stake with MeeGo than thinking something like that.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

This item claims that the N9 will use a 1.2GHz Intel Atom processor:


http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/noki...ssor-50002309/


also here is a few other links to confirm this:

http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?...ed=0CDMQqgIwAw

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

But nokia usually never is in the front with new and state of the art hardware?

Just check the N8 for example, 620 mhz and its supposed to be a highend phone? Today we're talking about 1 ghz...

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I would be surprised that the new reference HW design (nCDK/iCDK) for Meego 1.2 (and up) testing would be more capable, faster than the first Meego/harmattan device (N9?) if it has an Intel Atom in the first place of course.

Never good to test UX internally on a faster design that what you're pushing in the market ... User perception will be less in the field than internally ... Not really what one normally wants, I would think.

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This is the state of techblogs nowadays, everyone just keeps parroting what the others say. The "rumour" got started after a blog ran a short article with the title "N9 based on Atom processor" which every other blog keeps referencing. The thing is, the original doesn't have any sources either, and just vaguely mentions *drumroll* ..rumours.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Well, the orginal source was Prosessori, which is not a blog. It's really old skool computing magazine, that usually doesn't do any rumours at all. (Which means that I take this rumour at least little bit more seriously than most).

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

it was only a proof of concept that android and ios uses available calculation power badly.

http://nokiamobileblog.com/benchmark...ia-hd-vs-ipad/

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Yeah, I know that, and the fact that the magazine is well respected. But it was posted on their site in the news section, and it was pretty evident from reading it that they don't really know anything more than anyone else.

I'd say that the consensus is that there are two models (RM-680 Dali and RM-696 Lankku) aspiring to be THE N9, and for a fact those two are TI OMAP.

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When I complained to Nokia last March about the lack of support for the Meamo OS and we were not getting Nokia supported meego, just after I got my device, I was told the following in an email:-

"As to you question: my understanding is that Meego will be a replacement platform that will be launched in future devices. The MeeGo is using a different hardware platform (Intel based x86 instead of the ARM) and thus it will not be compatible with the N900 device. However N900 will keep on receiving upgrades and is supported by Nokia."

I assumed at the time this person replying on behalf of Nokia had got thing wrongs but given the latest rumours perhaps the y were in fact correct??

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My case in point shown here only a few posts later:

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Sounds kind of fishy to me...
Something along the lines of "Let's make the ad so people think it's better than it is, not how truly good the thing is..."

This will lead to numerous cases of "I have this same intel sticker on my notebook/desktop, so why can't I run XXXXX program on this too??"

May lead to false expectations, not good for long term prospects.

I'd be impressed if they do one.

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Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

high end handsets like N900, N9 are designed for technical enthusastics like us, so the CPU Architecture definately matters

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Guess that's just a rumour, would be pretty stupid to use a Atom CPU and as noted before, theres no real source for this information beside the article on the magazines site (That doesn't seem to have a source, so I think they just mixed something up here).
The SoCs inside the phones aren't just a ARM-Processor. There's usually a DSP too and maybe some hardware accelerators for video and other things. Since the Atom lacks those (And still eats much more energy) it would suck as a processor for a mobile phone - a rather bad idea then, especially for a flagship device. I don't think that a crappy 1,5 GHz Atom would decode 1080p in realtime at all - A Cortex A9 does this without really using the 2 ARM cores :P

I rather guess that Nokia may bring out some MeeGo Tablet, that may have an Atom processor. But yeah thats just my guess, hope it won't appear on a hundred blogs now :D

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@ysss You're right on the money. The point I'm making is that its all about marketing and spin. 'Intel Inside' and a high clock rate CPU will really give the PR people something to play with. I still wince at a tablet device being advertised as 'an incredibly powerful computer' when it's little more than a big mobile phone without the phone function. Advertising lately seems to be telling lies and getting away with it.

@maverick788us The N900 was/is a great device, I love it to bits but it's still pretty much regarded as a flop. I'm not sure it's commercially viable to produce a device just for 'technical enthusiasts' any more. Nokia will need to sell the N9 in biblical quantities and there just ain't enough geeks in the world. The N9 may well disappoint you deeply as it will have to be a fully commercialised device, not a niche one like the N900.

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These new "hype high end flagshis" are for masses and by far fastest growing segment. N900 certainly was for really small niche but N9 tries to be the GS, iphone ans HTC competitor.
You can ask iphone or GS users about their proc and they will not have any idea.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

This isnt quite true, as a 1.3 Atom can perform this task, given the proper software: http://forum.pocketables.net/showthread.php?t=2278.
I'm positive the experience can eventually be replicated on the N9, especially on the dual-boot partitions.

I regrettably skipped the N900(due to carrier and screen size). I'm not likely to make the same mistake twice. Looking forward to this release.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

My own post above suggested this maybe more than just a rumour, regardless it gives the forumn something to think about.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

wow, it's too bad you guys can't read the specs we found and put in the first 10 pages... so sad. i guess i have to make a new thread for those too lazy to read anything properly.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Those mailing and bug lists about medfield?
You can find anything you want from them if you search for what you wanna see. ;)
There's people who are xxx@Nokia.com in bug and mailing lists that i have seen to work with every other platform(just not seeing much of Qualcomm).
Mailing lists about RM-680 are full of TI and Nokia people. Example Santosh Shilimkar seem to work around RM-680 and one more RM device/proto.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

they did it before and it's called N97 :D

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Unfortunately that's the way the top dogs stay on top.
There's a sucker born every minute

It is a disease - they must not have gotten the memo:
The Theory and Practice of Myopic Marketing Management

Nobody will ever read this but it is just too good not to quote. sigh