Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

If I was going to place a bet here, I'd put it on Intel CPU. The reason is that MeeGo is a child of both Nokia and Intel and that Intel at some point in the future will release MeeGo devices. This means that Intel will expect to have available 3rd-party apps that were developed for MeeGo phones instantly, which is not possible if there is a different architecture.

See this thread for a related talk.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

The hardware enumeration from the boot log fragment showed a lot of non-typical-PC hardware (e.g. GPS on I2C bus).

Depends more on the GPU, my Acer Revo R3610p (1.6GHz Atom 330 Dual Core) running XBMC plays 1080p h.264 with about 15% CPU utilisation. This is because the NVidia ION GPU it has has hardware-accelerated h.264 decoding.

Of course, thus my comment that Nokia working on Atom-based development kits doesn't necessarily have anything to do with *handsets*, tablets are probably a better target with Atom?

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Seen any Apple adverts recently?

In fact, any phone or computer adverts - just this morning I saw an advert for the intel core i5, which promised me that having one in my PC would enable me to experience images like never before...

Hmmmm...

Either that, or adverts will boast a feature common to lots of devices but maybe less known, so everyone will go 'Ooooh with the xPhone I can do xxxx' so I'm going to buy one of those instead of the yPhone'...

Does this happen with windows mobile or the iPhone? Actually what seems to happen is a 'mobile version' of PC software is made, which bears little resemblance to the 'full version'

"I've got photoshop on my phone!"

"No you haven't."

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

The Forer effect

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

can someone tell how the atom is different compared to snapdragon/hummingbird/tegra/orion?
Not having a dualcore in 2011, and been said it has dreamspecs...
so many questions(ram, gpu, EMMC, infraredport..will it be 3x powerfull compared to n900..)answers on 16feb

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Quote one.

AFAIK they depend mostly on using images and positive interpretations of them by the audience rather than explicitly mentioning a 'promise'. You can't claim product misrepresentation when the customer is doing the interpretation not based on written claims.

This should be fine too, if the user is unfamiliar with said feature.

But I think you've missed the point of my post, which was made in reply to Andrew's.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

latest rumors N900 will use VIA chipset...

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Then why develop an ARM variant of Meego at all? Seems like a waste of resouces if they only intend to use it on x86 devices.

My prediction is that the N9 will be released late March and have an ARM CPU.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

I like x86. It's a nice pocket heater :)

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

if (x86 compatibility($N9)) {
port('VMWare');
}

mkaythanksplz.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Keep in mind that Nokia already has announced at least one device with ST Ericsson U8500, dual ARM Cortex A9 1.2 GHz coming in 2011. MeeGo or Symbian, that is the question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_ubl-vMLqw

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"This changes everything. Again."

Only thing it changed, it seemed was the definition of 'everything'

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

They're not quoting anything specific, let alone specs.

IE: on other products, did you always have to "let good times roll" or you always "couldn't beat that feeling", etc?

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Or even better: Start using qemu (and perhaps KVM) and port wine.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

In the UK advert for iPad, the voiceover stated:

"It's incredibly powerful"

The image on screen showed the device displaying some pie charts.

The point I was making was that in the advertising world of smoke and mirrors, having the Intel tag on a smartphone could go a long way.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

The desktop atom boards typically have fans on the gmch chip, not on the cpu. The desktop atoms (atleast Atom 330) have all power saving features disabled/absent.


It might be true that 1080p on singlecore Atom is impossible indeed, but Cortex A9 is equally helpless at 1080p. Not that it matters, an Omap3 or Omap4 would use the IVA/IVAHD for decoding, and atom would need something similar, like the previously mentioned ION on desktop.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Because it's obvious there's a short and long term benefit in having same platform work on ARM and X86 and being able to build your company software stack on both and have it work on many different SoCs etc without difficulty. MeeGo gives companies freedom to select hardware and easily deploy on to new hardware.

=> Make many types of devices with different hardware specs with ease.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Well, that tagline would be right at the bottom of the poster, after a list of the kind of uninnovative innovations i was talking avbouit before.

And yeah,all adverts do it, that's what we were saying.

one particularly annoying apple ad on the radio in the past couple of years had various people, with pc woes, whose lives were transformed into trouble free computung bliss when they bought a mac

"I had a digital camera, and nobody could tell me which cable i needed, then i got a mac, and it was all so much simpler"

Yeah mate, first of all where'd you get your camera with no cable from, and second, if nobody knows what lead you need to connect to a pc, it's not likely to be easier to find someone who knows how to connect it to a mac..
Anyways...
"THE POWER OF AN INTEL PROCESSOR IN YOUR POCKET"

You got to admit, that would shift a lot of units, and, with that sort of processing power, seeing a lot of desktop software ports wouldn't be entirely out of the question.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Intel is such a strong brand that no commercial is needed. It is enough with a small badge or picture or a snippet saying "Intel inside".

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

In fact this is a really nice trick. Since current mobiles don't have a sticker saying "ARM inside", any kind of sticker will do the trick.

If you add a sticker saying "8086 inside" or "mips inside" it will be assumed to be a benefit (from people that don't know what '8086' is), when compared to current mobiles that don't say "XXX inside".

However, if there was such a sticker (ARM inside) then using another one (Intel inside) would not be such a benefit, unless it was accompanied with promotional videos.

My 0.02€

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

I think VMWare will get me longer than wine.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

there are not thaat many person inside nokia working with arm+meego port atleast not official. Most active on for example n900 port is stkeep non nokia employe...

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

yes with symbian.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

... One of Aava's early protos.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Good News !!!



We have solved the power problem for Intel processors !!!!




http://www.atbatt.com/images_mlg/ra12-70sdg.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D

(better than a rick-roll, ya think ?)

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

And the perception of past gen Intel Atom processors running x86 continues.

Battery life on the N900 wasn't that great either.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Subjective claims are subjective.

As long as they don't make any factual claims, then I think it's left to the reader to interpret the taglines\copywrites.

Yep, and I've been pointing out that unless the ad makes any specific and factual claims that they cannot live up to, then that's just the norm.

These kind of things can generate hype for the initial wave of orders, but they can't sustain continuous sale unless the unit performs as well as the user's expectations. And using "Intel Inside" may raise their expectations to a level that Intel knows they can't deliver on this new platform (yet.)

So I don't think Intel is dumb enough to associate their "Intel Inside" tagline with their first wave of handphones.

Re: Rumor: N9 to have 1.2Ghz Atom
 

Sidenote about this intel inside sticker. Look at back of your N900 screen :)