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All hail Eldar the great! :p

http://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin
My guess is that he is talking about the RM-680 with rumoured TI soc inside and MeeGo-Harmattan.

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Eldar is probably quoting TMO

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Eldar: Nokia decided to scrap itself and sell the remaining to Samsung because Samsung R AW3S0M3!

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nooooooo! the N9 release was sooo close! how could they!

what, someone at Nokia R&D said "yes" when prompted "do you really want to delete this file"?

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guys they would of been working on many N9 models at same time its inevitable that some get scrapped.
do you think the N900 OR N8 was the only design they ever built and got it how they wanted first time?
there would of been many models/designs being developed parallel to what we think of as the N9 but only one or two what they decide to go with past the proto stage.

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Of course it's not like there was one MeeGo proto going around Nokia and now they need to make everything from the start and we at best will see next product in ~12 months. :) We already know there's plenty of protos going around from just the bug reports, like there should.

If it's RM-680 that got scrapped according to Eldar(and he is not full of sh1t with this one) i'm actually very positive about this as long as we are going to see MeeGo product 1H this year.

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Going by what Intel said in the link in your other post there will be MeeGo devices at MWC, if non are Nokia's devices this will be a new low for them and they deserve all the criticism they get as they are a founding member and will be late to the party.
I'm pro Nokia too but it will biggest own goal ever no other words for it

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For somebody who actually joined this forum because of harmattan i have been waiting for the first harmattan, now MeeGo(or MeeGo-Harmattan) device for 2-3 years. it's getting a bit tiring to say the least. :(
I truly hope one of the devices Intel has talked about to be shown in MWC will be Nokia indeed.

Some more rumours. Already made couple of threads for these rumours so i'll just post it here. These pics are from mobile-review forums.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3348/thumbnail2g.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8039/thumbnail3k.jpg
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/show...d=1#post912492

Looks like a test platform?

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I was recently Googling around N900 posts and came across one that was an early concept design for the N900 - looked a bit like a smaller N800, but was clearly labelled N900. Maybe this rather tenuous report about the N9 is just like that, one HW design has been scrapped for something different. Let's face it, right now those leaked photos just make the N9 look like a silver E7.

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where was the pictures from? was they attached to big reports?

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I didn't actually find, fear_samuraitor from MR did.
I believe it's attached to one of the bug reports. Lots of N900 pics there attached to the bug reports, but never seen something like that.

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It's really easy to understand why have several speculation threads. Almost nothing happens...

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A rumoured gadget is rumoured to have been cancelled.

The end is nigh.

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Nokia, please have some compassion for your fans.

It looks like a barren landscape here. Everywhere you look at, there's information-deprived fans lolling about. Information famine is in effect.

Every little nibblets are fought for and gobbled up by everyone, no matter what the source is. It's not surprising that some are poisoned by these misinformations...

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Whole N9/MeeGo landscape is so funny at the moment.
So little of info that there's indeed more rumors than ever that totally contradict each other and rumor for every other spec and whatnot.

If there's one awesome thing it's that unveiling of Nokia's MeeGo device has possibility to actually be unveiling. There's not too many flagships in Nokia's history that have managed to do that.

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Even though folks love to hate Eldar, given the silence from Nokia and the rapid changes in hardware the last two quarters from other vendors... I'd have to say he's probably closer to the truth than we'd rather admit.

The fact that the last regime called the N8 their game changer, the N9 - if unveiled and marketed correctly - will have to be their game changer.

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stop making stuff up N8 as never been called a game changer, Nokia even dismiss that its the flagship when people talk like it is.

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so what are the flagship devices. Seems that the dont have them anynore.n97 last one ever...

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Game changer != flagship. In fact, I never said that word.

That whole "fightback starts now" hinged on the soon-to-be-released Nokia N8 and the forthcoming (still not released) MeeGo product(s).

I (personally) wouldn't start a uphill battle with anything but a game changer. So far, the quality of the N8 has left a few people in the dark. The silence around MeeGo is deafening. So that's not exactly the fightback nor game changer quite yet.

And even though I cannot find it, can't remember which person said that the Nokia N8 is one of the most important releases for Nokia - my money is on Anssi, but it could have been Niklas Savander. Too many executives in and out of Nokia to rally behind who said what sometimes.

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Than we'd rather admit?

Frankly I'm surprised it took this long for a rumor like that to trickle out. Between the major shift at Nokia (Elop becoming CEO, Ari bailing for HP) and the obvious jump coming this year in terms of high-end capabilities, it would have been foolish for Nokia to come out and say "our high end MeeGo phone is not actually MeeGo, nor is it actually using a high end CPU."

So the N9 with the OMAP and MeeGo/Harmattan dies. The new N9 will run whatever is in-line with the high end with an actual MeeGo compliant core. Maybe they can recycle the N9's old hardware for the Symbian series devices.

That's probably being enforced by Elop. They're buzzing like flies on the MeeGo mailing lists, but product-wise they're probably going to be dead silent until we're within spitting distance of an actual product launch.

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Add to this apparent success of N8. It is quite probable that N9 as we dreamed about it (Meego device) is really dead and it will live as Symbian flagship while they create separate line for Meego phones - as was situation with N900.

Heh, with changes in upgrades strategy and failing prices I am seriously considering N8. Only this small screen...

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In March last year when I was in the New York Nokia 'flagship' store (now closed), I was trying to decide between the E75 and the much more expensive N900. I ended up saving $200 and buying the E75 (which got shoved in a drawer 6 months later when I bought the N900!) Anyway, during discussions about the two phones in the store with the Nokia rep, she told me that the E75 was a great phone (it wasn't) but the N900 was Nokia's "flagship model". At the time I thought, wow, that phone must be getting tons of support and attention from the big boys and girls in Finland. I was a little surprised later in the year when I bought the N900 "flagship" and soon discovered that, if it wasn't for Maemo.org and the wonderful supportive community, it would be a series of fruitless phonecalls to Nokia customer service to help me out with the little beast.

At the end of the day, the N9 is a rumor, Meego could be over a year away for a consumer end-product, and I don't think "flagship" is a label worth any weight. If the N8 was the December 2010 flagship phone, then the E7 will be the new flagship for February 2011. And then August it'll be something else (E6?) and then Christmas 2011 something else again. One thing's for sure, all of this will be based on speculation, rumor and unreliable sources. Nothing from Nokia itself, but then again, why should they? :confused:

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yeah. Nokia...Why should you comunicate with your customers and shareholders. Just keep your heads in the sand and see how it turns out for you.

Nokia will have a strategy and numbers presentation in london a few days before barcelona. Will see if they have any strategy about the high end market. cant continue like this. They need to get E7 to the stores and another announced pronto.

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nothing new with this many has already said here that maemo harmattan was killed in november when libmeegotouch and orbit/symbian4 was killed. My guess is one of the reason Jaaksi leave was cause he know this was the plans... infact his little project died including the phone.

The new Meego people probadly dished it cause they want theyr own. We know for sure N900 was developed by a very small team inside nokia.

Now this probadly has changed and some of the projectleaders in the symbianteam is now taking over the meego cause they know its the way to go for more advanced phones.

But this also means they want todo it theyr way. so why not just kill old n9...

just my guess...

Infact nothing special with that, big companys has always many prototype products that never get released. Kinda sad for many who for example like n900. My guess is n900 would never get released last year if Elop was CEO that time. Now we probadly see this is the case for N9..

Just my..

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Seriously If Nokia did kill the inFamous N9 then I would be happily jumping up and down with my support and thanking them. N9 was announce in late 2009 after the N900 is released that it will be using Ti OMAP3xxx, WTF!!! only OMAP3?? If it's true then N9 is already failed before it release date. The processor and specs would be outdated 1year to 1 year and half by the releasing time.

Thank god Nokia cancelled that damned thing. Bring out the big boy toy Nokia, Dual Cores and 1GB RAM, all Nokia devices are either insufficient in RAM or Processor muscle. N900 has the potential but at the same time lacking potentials. 256MB RAM << FTW!! It's barely enough to do things sometimes.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/...3&viewall=true

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Agreed - I hope the RM680 has been shelved in favour of a more recent design.

The RM-680 specs are hardly cutting edge in todays market, and they were barely cutting edge assuming it was meant to be launched 6 months ago. Nokia would run the risk of becoming a laughing stock if they launched the RM-680 in another one, two or three months time and tried to claim it as their flagship MeeGo device when everyone else is (or has already been) shipping dual core devices with more memory and higher resolution screens. I wouldn't be surprised to discover the RM-680 also lacks something like NFC which is becoming de rigueur on high end devices.

The RM-680 is only fit to be an E7 upgrade running Symbian later in 2011 or maybe early 2012. It is not fit to be a MeeGo device.

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Glad I am not the only one who saw this coming. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

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All this stuff about dualcore is just soo hyped.

Are we sure those handset who has dualcore is really is optimized yet for dualcore?

I am not an expert but I am sure dualcore is not the only thing that makes the phone fast/best. We have seen it before with Qualcom 800mhz vs Cortex A8 600Mhz.

The same goes for mobilecameras is like when manufactors make us think 12mpix mobilecamera is better than a DSLR camera of 6mpix. 12 mpix on a mobile camera is so damn pointless when the sensor is so damn small. Yet people a dumb enough buy theyr arguments and think its better. Some maybe even think 12mpix mobilecamera is better than 6mpix DSLR camera.

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there are more than one thing that dual core ARM doing better than single core.
* 1080p encoding and decoding without consuming all the cpu cycles
* Multitasking will be smooth and less time to do tasks
* gaming will be on a different level
* smoother GUI transitions
* better batter usage (in theory, two horses can climb steeper hill than one horse)
* May need OS optimisations to make good use of the muscle. ( for crying out loud, android Honeycom didn't even have dual core support and yet there are devices released with dual cores for it)

Please don't compare a DSLR to a mobile camera. it's like you are comparing a DSLR to Hubble telescope. Two on different class of devices. DSLR has the optical capability but mbile is fixed lense. Comparing Qualcomm to Cortex is like AMD to Intel. We've seen the war before and both archetectures are similar just different approach.

if N9 doesn't have atleast dual core A9 + 1GB RAM then I don't think Nokia will ever compete in the fast growing mobile era. Also having 12MP camera is a bonus when recording video in high resolution and densing the pixel to 1080p is better than 5mp, eg. N8 took great videos quality.

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All I want is something that can natively play 720p mkv videos and output it thru HDMI with no lag whatsoever! And a 64gb is a required for me as well. Am I really asking for that much? :(

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Thing is, Nokia aren't going to be able to explain that on a billboard advert. your average consumer is going to say, "the xPhone's got dual core, nokia hasn't. xPhone's better. xPhone's got 12mp camera, nokia's got 10mp. xPhone's gonna take better pictures. Nokia's got 1024x768 resolution, but xPhone has retina display. xPhone screen is as hi rez as an eyeball. xPhone's better'

God, it annoys the hell out of me, I don't know how it must feel to actually be one of the team behind a product like that...

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Actually, we have not."Cortex A8" means an ARM CPU core that ARM licenses to SoC makers. "Qualcomm 800MHz" denotes a Qualcomm SoC, that may (Snapdragon) or may not be based on the Cortex A8 core. So, your statement makes no sense.

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I don't know if people understand this.
But we've had a change in the mobile industry.

Today it's all about "the battle of the hardware".

Seems nokia is lagged behind here once again.

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No, its the battle of the bullsh*t, the 4 year old Nokia N95 has a better quality camera than the cheapo HTC desire.

The numbers can be twisted and are by each company.

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Actually it is the imaginary battle of the bullsh*t. It is not even real and certainly not relevant or known to 95% of the users. I mean: looks nice, plays angry birds, cousing got one = have to get one.

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Hype it may well be, but this level of hardware sophistication is now a reality and any company launching a single core device today (or in Nokias case, in another 2-3 months) and then claiming it as their flagship product is going to be compared negatively with these more powerful devices (which may even be cheaper by the time Nokia get around to launching their N9-whatever).

The truth is that MeeGo has been anticipated for so long, and with MeeGo hyped as the "saviour of Nokia" by engadget m0r0ns it would be a grave mistake to then launch MeeGo on last years hardware.

MeeGo must be launched on some mind blowing hardware - whether it needs it or not - in order to help in the uphill struggle to grab mindshare and show that Nokia can compete with the new Smartphone juggernauts Apple and Google. Launching MeeGo on mediocre hardware is simply going to put a hole below the waterline.

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Lol, Nokia is finished if they don't have a dual core at least.

PS: I already counted Nokia out last year when they failed to bring out Meego/N9.

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I hope for the most part this means "MeeGo Harmattan" is scrapped. Please.

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Heard that the N9 had been canned unofficially earlier this week. Aparently it'll exist as an internal dev platform. News from inside nokia is strangely silent on this, I get the general feeling that Nokia is now completely rudderless. - Unless this is an absolutely quality double cross by Nokia to mislead Eldar and the market !

I've seen the other pics of a new device - one I've never seen in the flesh. I suspect its based on a new hardware config that we never got to handle (before we got our marching orders).
I hope Nokia can turn this around and out the door quick - the delay of the E7 (based on v****/N8) was depressingly familar. The cancelling of the N9 is just the cherry on top of a **** sandwich.

When Elop finally finishes his world wide tour of Nokia sites I hope he can find time to actually spell out what he wants Nokia TO ACTUALLY DO !