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mikecomputing 2011-01-27 18:31
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 929450)
Come on man, the hardware in question was probably killed months ago, back when Ari Jaaksi left. I dare say, Eldar is late to this party. As for the new hardware, it was probably already in development if not done.
yes I dont dissagree that Eldar is a idiot and the fact that N9 probadly was dished long time ago, but still we all know Nokia has alot of delays and is still not in sync with the Qt development/ovistore and so on this is bad for its time to deliver.

Just an example, I am one of the people that infact has "lobbyied" for using qt-components instead of libmeegotuch but at the same time I wonder what the hell is going on inside nokia, after three days no answers from nokia at the meego-touch mailinglist someone blogged about it:

http://confusingdevelopers.wordpress...qtqc-survival/

Question was, what is the status of qt-component and what shall be used by the app developers...

Taking a look at the gitorious qt-components and most of the latest patches seems to be symbian related patches...

vivainio 2011-01-28 10:08
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 930105)
Just an example, I am one of the people that infact has "lobbyied" for using qt-components instead of libmeegotuch but at the same time I wonder what the hell is going on inside nokia, after three days no answers from nokia at the meego-touch mailinglist someone blogged about it:

http://confusingdevelopers.wordpress...qtqc-survival/
I am that "someone". Is there something you still find confusing that I could clarify?

NvyUs 2011-01-30 02:12
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
I think Nokias First device will be harmattan and not the skipping to MeeGo 1.2 like people was saying.

http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15851

Now this is probably the case i think a device is closer than ppl think

fergusso 2011-01-30 02:20
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 926724)
For somebody who actually joined this forum because of harmattan i have been waiting for the first harmattan, now MeeGo(or MeeGo-Harmattan) device for 2-3 years. it's getting a bit tiring to say the least. :(
I truly hope one of the devices Intel has talked about to be shown in MWC will be Nokia indeed.

Some more rumours. Already made couple of threads for these rumours so i'll just post it here. These pics are from mobile-review forums.
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3348/thumbnail2g.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8039/thumbnail3k.jpg
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/show...d=1#post912492

Looks like a test platform?
I am with you mate. I got fed up with Nokia. I sold my N900 today for £100.00, I just want to get rid of it ... fast. I will never ever buy another NOkia device again, they've shown no respect or care to us all by neglecting the maemo platform. even if a more powerful meego-harmattan-tarzan-batman-superman nokia phone is released in the future, I'll never ever be interested.

wmarone 2011-01-30 03:29
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 931625)
I think Nokias First device will be harmattan and not the skipping to MeeGo 1.2 like people was saying.

http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15851

Now this is probably the case i think a device is closer than ppl think
Old issues that deal more with Qt than Harmattan itself don't say much as to what's happening internally with Nokia. Never mind that they couldn't ever call themselves MeeGo or even "MeeGo compliant" or use the trademarks if they were to proceed with the original MeeGo/Harmattan plan. Nokia would be wholly foolish to do so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fergusso (Post 931628)
I am with you mate. I got fed up with Nokia. I sold my N900 today for £100.00, I just want to get rid of it ... fast. I will never ever buy another NOkia device again, they've shown no respect or care to us all by neglecting the maemo platform. even if a more powerful meego-harmattan-tarzan-batman-superman nokia phone is released in the future, I'll never ever be interested.
Yet people ignore the swaths of ignored Android devices from vendors like Samsung and Motorola, many of which came and were dropped in less time than it took to go from PR1.1 to PR1.3.

NvyUs 2011-01-30 03:35
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
It was Filed in December against a Harmattan device image so not old at all and says a lot really considering rumour was going around months before that, that they was moving straight to meego 1.2, theres bugs filed with harmattan for this month too

Created:03/Dec/10 7:30 PM
Updated:23/Dec/10 8:27 AM
Resolved:06/Dec/10 1:27 PM

here have another.
http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-862

Created:14/Dec/10 1:47 PM
Updated:Thursday 2:55 AM
Resolved:19/Jan/11 3:01 AM

wmarone 2011-01-30 03:39
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 931644)
It was Filed in December against a Harmattan device image so not old at all and says a lot really considering rumour was going around months before that, that they was moving straight to meego 1.2, theres bugs filed with harmattan for this month too

Created:03/Dec/10 7:30 PM
Updated:23/Dec/10 8:27 AM
Resolved:06/Dec/10 1:27 PM
And "Harmattan" could now simply be the internal codename for their version of the OS. I doubt it represents anything that it was planned to, especially with regard to being a "hybrid" that still used .deb packages.

NvyUs 2011-01-30 04:04
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
ok answer this question this is an update of Qt mobility api project status on different platforms posted 9th January
Harmattan is listed as different platform to MeeGo and API maturity is further along than MeeGo
I dont think its just an internal name they carried on using for MeeGo, its still a hybrid imo if it still uses .deb is another story.
http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/

turbowei 2011-01-30 04:50
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milhouse (Post 927382)
The truth is that MeeGo has been anticipated for so long, and with MeeGo hyped as the "saviour of Nokia" by engadget m0r0ns it would be a grave mistake to then launch MeeGo on last years hardware.
So what is your creditial to call engadget "*****s"???

I think it is pretty much common sense for Nokia to continue remaining as one of the big players in mobile market is a successful launch of Meego. You can not win the upgrading war with samsung/LG/htc. Being a participant in that is gonna drag Nokia down. I think they know it.

gerbick 2011-01-30 04:58
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbowei (Post 931662)
So what is your creditial to call engadget "*****s"?
For most folks around here... the only credential necessary to call Engadget anything negative is because they're not American whereas Engadget is (according to them) biased towards Apple or any other American technology and/or fan favorite.

conny 2011-01-30 08:43
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
This: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/...mattaninstalls looks like there will be a Harmattan device and it looks like it will be Debian based. Added January 2011.

Venemo 2011-01-30 08:56
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Seriously, why do you care what Eldar says? He is known to rumor total bullsh it over the years.

I'd recommend to simply ignore him.

gerbick 2011-01-30 09:06
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Venemo (Post 931746)
Seriously, why do you care what Eldar says? He is known to rumor total bullsh it over the years.

I'd recommend to simply ignore him.
People care because he's at least trying to communicate. Nokia doesn't do that.

mikecomputing 2011-01-30 11:49
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 931749)
People care because he's at least trying to communicate. Nokia doesn't do that.
Communicate hahaha atleast we had some Open Source gurus at Nokia at bigger positions were are they now?

were has Elop communicated more than old CEO:s so far?

Does he even sayd the world open source or Meego btw??

I wouldnt be suprised if Elop 11 February go out and say:

1. Nokia will go WP7 and kill Meego

or:

2. Nokia will continue development with Meego but even more closed than in case of Maemo5...

As we all know Elop is for sure not comming from a company that likes open source. So he probadly feed closed source engineers more than those wo prefer be more open to the community.

tissot 2011-01-30 14:28
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 931749)
People care because he's at least trying to communicate. Nokia doesn't do that.
That's true. :D
Though while i have been defending Eldar here his hate about Nokia has really taken of these past weeks with no idea what is true anymore, if anything.
He tweeted today that:
Quote:
* N8 isnt popular at all - thats fail
* N8 1 mln sell out only - so nothing
* i know that 1 mln n8, a mln c7, 3 mln c6-01
Last week he said it was 1 million S^3 devices sold, after Nokia said they have sold 5 million he turned it to N8 fail while Timo Ihamuotila, CFO said in the Q4 report:
Quote:
We are not really splitting that number by product, but we can say that N8 was really a big part of the mix and we can also say that the demand for N8 outstripped our ability to supply. There was a very good demand for that product, but overall, C7 sold a big amount, C6 came pretty late in the quarter, so less in the mix.
C6-01 isn't even available over here. Pretty much exactly the opposite of what Eldar is saying. :D

Rugoz 2011-01-30 14:41
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
This eldar guy is really strange, the n8 is popular, its pretty obvious, so why deliberately posting false information? Makes a joke of himself.

ysss 2011-01-30 14:57
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 931886)
That's true. :D
Though while i have been defending Eldar here his hate about Nokia has really taken of these past weeks with no idea what is true anymore, if anything.
He tweeted today that:


Last week he said it was 1 million S^3 devices sold, after Nokia said they have sold 5 million he turned it to N8 fail while Timo Ihamuotila, CFO said in the Q4 report:

C6-01 isn't even available over here. Pretty much exactly the opposite of what Eldar is saying. :D
Timo could've been talking about $$ figures and Eldar about shipping quantity. Neither was wrong in that case.

NvyUs 2011-01-30 14:58
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 931900)
Timo could've been talking about $$ figures and Eldar about shipping quantity. Neither was wrong in that case.
he was talking about units sold

ysss 2011-01-30 15:07
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 931903)
he was talking about units sold
got url? it could be either qty or $$ by the quoted part.

mikecomputing 2011-01-30 15:09
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 931890)
This eldar guy is really strange, the n8 is popular, its pretty obvious, so why deliberately posting false information? Makes a joke of himself.
or payed by Apple/Google...

ysss 2011-01-30 15:13
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 931909)
or payed by Apple/Google...
For better or worse, Eldar has garnered Nokia LOADS of free publicity.

Apple (Jobs) knows better than to do this sort of thing.

And this kind of thing is beneath Google.

jsa 2011-01-30 15:14
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 931907)
got url? it could be either qty or $$ by the quoted part.
Q4 2010 earnings call transcript, Q&A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahid Hussein, Citi
In terms of the 5 million Symbian units, could you give us any color or breakdown in terms of what sold those obviously, we think the N8 has done very well, but any color you can give us around the C6-01 and C7 would be very useful?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timo Ihamuotila, CFO Nokia
Sure. We are not really splitting that number by product, Timo here, but we can say that N8 was really a big part of the mix and we can also say that the demand for N8 outstripped our ability to supply. There was a very good demand for that product, but overall, C7 sold a big amount, C6 came pretty late in the quarter, so less in the mix.

gerbick 2011-01-30 18:15
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 931890)
This eldar guy is really strange, the n8 is popular, its pretty obvious, so why deliberately posting false information? Makes a joke of himself.
I have to question if the Nokia N8 is as popular as the 5800. That phone sold by the ton. The N8 numbers seem to be lesser at the same intervals as the aforesaid phone.

And yeah... he gets a lot wrong. That's all part of the speculation around the Nokia black hole of communication.

attila77 2011-01-30 18:47
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 932006)
I have to question if the Nokia N8 is as popular as the 5800. That phone sold by the ton. The N8 numbers seem to be lesser at the same intervals as the aforesaid phone.
That's apples to oranges, position-wise the N8 is the successor to the N86 (i.e. expensive Nseries photo-device), the 5800 was the midrange (cheap :) ) touch Symbian device, so it's successor is the C7 or C6-1 which came after the N8.

lorul2 2011-02-09 14:04
Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?
 
Searched first, didn't see it, here is the link!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/n...eego-handset/#

DONT KILL THE MESSENGER!!

I LOVE THE N900, I always thought it would be the first Meego device.

nos4A2 2011-02-09 14:17
Re: Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?
 
That does not mean N900, it means N9-00 A.K.A N9..

daperl 2011-02-09 14:21
Re: Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorul2 (Post 939963)
I LOVE THE N900, I always thought it would be the first Meego device.
It is (was?).

lorul2 2011-02-09 14:22
Re: Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?
 
:confused:

I know the article is talking about the N9. The N900 (which I have) is already out.

What I meant by this statement :

I LOVE THE N900, I always thought it would be the first Meego device.

I always thought even with the N9 comming out a workable version of Meego would appear on the N900 first.

MastaG 2011-02-09 14:30
Re: Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?
 
****... there goes my beloved x86 phone with linux-os and qwerty...
I really really really wanted to run WINE and my old windows games on it.
Guess it ain't gonna happen with a touchscreen-only phone...

****ing meego linux on a touch-screen only phone??
they must be ******ed!

sjgadsby 2011-02-09 15:02
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
The thread "Engadget: Nokia kills N9-00, its first MeeGo handset?" (5 posts) has been merged into this thread.

lorul2 2011-02-09 16:20
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
I agree there are a lot of threads in here that should be merged. However, I can gaurantee your going to get atleast two more Posts (today) with Engadget and N9 in the Title.

sophocha 2011-02-09 16:34
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
N900 is still the King and I like it!

Nokias future though is not so rosy.....

Jack6428 2011-02-09 17:38
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
Nokia is a failure and should either be good or be good at it.

First they stop caring about the N900 and now they axe the N9 which hasn't even come out yet. So much for confidence in their own products. They can't even support and promote the N900 properly.

I hate how Apple brainwashes people, but at least they don't abandon and stop supporting their products.

ikirk 2011-02-09 17:45
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
If only Nokia hadnt wasted their time and effort starting MeeGo OS from scratch and instead had carried on developing a good OS like Maemo... oh well!

tissot 2011-02-09 17:49
Re: N9 scrapped according to Eldar and others.
 
They scrapped a proto.
If you have been following Nokia rumors for longer time there's many many devices that never see the day of light. Most devices on the bug lists now wont probably be ever out. Of course this is no Nokia specific, but for any tech company. Nokia just makes many devices and is in a very highly competitive market so they probably have more of this.

This time it just has been made a news for the general media.

kenga 2011-02-09 18:41
Rumor: Nokia drops first MeeGo phone before launch
 
Reuters: Nokia (NOK1V.HE) has ended development of its first smartphone using its new MeeGo operating system before it was ever launched, two industry sources close to the company said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7180X420110209

faximan 2011-02-09 18:43
Re: Rumor: Nokia drops first MeeGo phone before launch
 
I hope they will start build android Phones! or better gone from Market - NOKIA is a Top1 in the Hall of shame

rmerren 2011-02-09 18:43
Re: Rumor: Nokia drops first MeeGo phone before launch
 
Yawn. Old rumors. Other rumors that Nokia has dropped their first N9 prototype and has a new prototype are essentially the same as this blurb.

Bratag 2011-02-09 18:43
Re: Rumor: Nokia drops first MeeGo phone before launch
 
From the article

Quote:
Ended first MeeGo phone project before launch -sources

* Company declines to comment

* Could unveil next MeeGo device later this week -analysts
Does anyone else read that as a contradiction. Apparently they are dropping the device before launch .... yet unveiling a device later this week. How the hell does that work?

Dave999 2011-02-09 18:44
Re: Rumor: Nokia drops first MeeGo phone before launch
 
WHAT???

just kidding :D (already heard that rumor)


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