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xRobby 2011-04-29 11:42

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
if intel uses their new nano wires, i think they'll have the advantage

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-04-29 11:48

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xRobby (Post 997274)
if intel uses their new nano wires, i think they'll have the advantage


What are these nano wires you speak of?

Kangal 2011-04-30 06:20

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
Sweet ... A15 is the Cortex A9 shifted to the next level.

And the OMAP5xxx brings dual-A15's (Quadcores are a waste of power, dualcores are extremely effecient, tri-cores are medium), a powerful multi-core GPU (PowerVr is class-leading), as well as TI's other inherant strengths (various modules). I expect it to be one-of-the-best (if not The Best) ARM implementations in 2011/12.

Something like that would make Ubuntu/MeeGo/Windows NEXT just fly on a convertible tablet (ASUS Transformer).

But Qualcomm are making bold claims against the A15 ...I really would like to see if Qc's bluffing or bringing out their trump card!

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-04-30 16:57

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 997693)
Sweet ... A15 is the Cortex A9 shifted to the next level.

And the OMAP5xxx brings dual-A15's (Quadcores are a waste of power, dualcores are extremely effecient, tri-cores are medium), a powerful multi-core GPU (PowerVr is class-leading), as well as TI's other inherant strengths (various modules). I expect it to be one-of-the-best (if not The Best) ARM implementations in 2011/12.

Something like that would make Ubuntu/MeeGo/Windows NEXT just fly on a convertible tablet (ASUS Transformer).

But Qualcomm are making bold claims against the A15 ...I really would like to see if Qc's bluffing or bringing out their trump card!

Quad-core power efficiency depends in no small part on how readily the cores can sleep. I wouldn't be so quick to claim that quad-cores are a waste of power. ARM is not a silly company, and this is a huge initiative and part of the A15 feature set.

Kangal 2011-05-01 01:32

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 997891)
Quad-core power efficiency depends in no small part on how readily the cores can sleep. I wouldn't be so quick to claim that quad-cores are a waste of power. ARM is not a silly company, and this is a huge initiative and part of the A15 feature set.

Yeah, but like the old saying goes:
"I'll believe it when I see it, muchacho."

I think in the nearby future it will happen because it "needs" to happen, as software optimization (or tools for it) catch up to the processor innovation.

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-05-05 21:15

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The next version of the Exynos will be pushing 2GHz for phones next year.
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/...ung_exynos.jpg
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/s...-by-next-year/

This is a direct response to Qualcomms announced snapdragon's and is promised to operate at (assumed low end) desktop speeds.
Quote:

... have the data processing capacities of a regular PC
Exciting indeed! I can't wait to jump ship from these large power-draining intel chips. A tablet/laptop combo with 16-hour battery life, low-power mode (but still active), instant wake, would suit me just fine.

The only problem I see is that Ubuntu isn't optimized for mobile chips, and the CPU is woken far to often to be good for battery life. I'll be running Ubuntu in Android, in all accounts.

Next year is very significant in the entire industry. It's when ARM challenges the gods (intel), and the monoculture computing industry is opened up to a slew of new competitors.

Kangal 2011-05-06 05:26

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 1000874)
...will be pushing 2GHz for phones next year....is promised to operate at desktop speeds...Exciting....Next year is very significant in the entire industry...It's when ARM challenges the gods (intel)....the monoculture computing industry is opened up to a slew of new competitors.

A tablet/laptop combo with 16-hour battery life; The only problem is that Ubuntu isn't optimized for mobile chips.

MeeGo could fill in the blanks! Man I'm still pissed off at NOKIA and Elop. If they had bought Palm and catalyzed their development we would've seen a better ecosystem open for that exciting next-gen!

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-05-06 11:49

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1001014)
MeeGo could fill in the blanks! Man I'm still pissed off at NOKIA and Elop. If they had bought Palm and catalyzed their development we would've seen a better ecosystem open for that exciting next-gen!

It's true, it's true.. Meego on hardware like this would have been extremely compelling.

Of course, some legacy apps that I would have wanted to use, would probably not played very nice with the battery life of such a device....

I'm still hoping for closer Android/Traditional-Linux tie-in. A low-latency X client is all I need.

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-05-07 03:46

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It seems that rumors are hinting that Apple may capitalize on the new desktop-grade cortex A15 chips for use in their macbook lines.
http://static.arstechnica.net/assets...auto-21679.png
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...y-would-it.ars

I would expect insanely thin, insanely light (insanely expensive? :D) computers that have outstanding battery life. I would also gander that these fabled computers would also feature a variant of iOS, better suited to the desktop as well as API integration for things like the touchpad and keyboard.

History may again repeat itself: I predict that computer manufacturers will be scrambling to unleash similar offerings. I bet that Windows 8 will be going toe-to-toe with Android, which will end up being the OS of choice on these new systems.

Oh, and expect intel to take a beating. Their Atom line of CPUs looks like they will get left in the dust by the upcoming ARMada on a number of fronts. Serves them right for clinging to x86.

Pillum 2011-05-07 05:53

Re: Mobile System on Chip Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xRobby (Post 997274)
if intel uses their new nano wires, i think they'll have the advantage

if intel uses their new 3d transistor, i think they'll have the advantage


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