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Bah, no use talking here about the future of Nokia when certain people just won't listen. All this Pro-Micro$oft talk is making me sick to my stomach. This forum has gone to hell with the Microsoft lovers coming in and some other converting. You guys can have it.

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"Linux and Android users were particularly impressed with access to all APIs, a sentiment not at all shared by their S60 colleagues. Windows users mostly went for ‘productivity due to the tools and environment’, while Java users preferred the ease of use of the APIs."

They were interviewing developers - so for user read developer.

The slide show was interesting.

Mish.

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What!? So, when it was anti-Microsoft is was ok? When it was "we'll wait forever for anything MeeGo" it was just fine?

And what pro-Microsoft (I absolutely refuse to use that dollar sign nonsense, it's not Slashdot and it's not 1998 any longer) sentiment are you picking up?

I disagree fully with your summation on what's going on.

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Wrong. Pros use the appropriate technology for the appropriate task, and get paid for it, since the end result is better. When micro-management strikes, the pros quit.

Here's a model of the hierarchy to better explain things, rated in order of value added to technical decisions, and therefore the continued livelihood of a technology leading company:
1. Chuck Norris
2. Pros
3. Developers who aren't pros
4. People who code in languages that are directly interpreted
5. Janitors
6. Garbage men
7. Ordinary stones
8. CEOs
9. Accountants
10. People who code in languages that produce VM code
11. Microsoft coders

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Let's get to one MAJOR difference, Maemo on the n900 typically has around 100 programs that run simultaneously 100% of the time, and still retains a reasonable cpu/memory footprint and most importantly, the charge is kept around the same amount of time as an iphone.

Just about all other phone OSes go into a severe suspend state when the screen goes off.
It takes mseconds to get out of this state.

This means it's impossible to create normal software that does anything useful unless you're holding the phone in front of you.

IM software, GPS tracking, any kind of server etc. all become impossible unless you marry it with some weirdo API that may or may not exist on that platform. And even then, you get races, security and stability issues which cannot be solved with such an OS architecture.

(This was also the reason why some of the Android patches have to live outside the mainline kernel)

Only one of the reasons why Maemo, runs the same software you run on your home PC, while none of competition can.

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It's been a long process. Nokia could purchase Palm (and WebOS) as the major share holders wanted, but they didn't, they decided to go for MeeGo, and that is why the old CEO was replaced with Elop. Elop was given one main task, to sort out the smartphone OS. Never mind the fact not purchasing Palm was the right decision.

Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong for Nokia and their development of a future smartphone OS. Symbian proved to be too complex, it needed a major overhaul not just a face lift, but no one at Nokia could architect an OS more or less from scratch. Maemo needed Qt to have some future proof, but it would be a waste of money without Qt also on Symbian. Qt on Symbian without a complete overhaul of the core OS, proved to be a waste of time anyway. MeeGo wasn't getting anywhere, full stop, and as Maemo it would only work on high end, while Nokia needs an OS working for devices much lower down the scale. The future was just a mess, a patchwork of hacks, old and new and nothing fitted as it should.

WP will be fine on Nokia. It is the modern and secure OS Nokia need. It is what Symbian would have been if Nokia was able to renew it from the bottom up. The only loss here is Qt, but if it really is as good as some think it is, we will see it soon on some devices.

MS was even more brain dead. They thought in their simplistic minds that people were loyal to OS brands instead of phone brands. Only geeks are loyal to an OS, not the other 95% of the population that MS is aiming for.

Even though WP will be an excellent OS for Nokia, I'm not convinced that Nokia and MS really get it this time around either. They seem to be somehow out of touch with reality. This talk about ecosystems and beating Android. Why should Nokia beat Android? and who cares anyway?

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A typical n900 user has Skype, SIP ip-telephony, MSN, ICQ, facebook, web server etc. all running while the phone is in their pocket.

For a comparison with what other modern handsets are running while tucked away: (Kernel mode doesn't count)
winCE: nothing
iphone: nothing
symbian: nothing
android: nothing / in 2.2 it became possible

This means that n900 is the only phone so far that has fulfilled the instant messaging needs of the younger generation.
If the market missed this, it's hard not to blame marketing or company steering.

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I'm the one who is accused of being ignorant and offensive? What a load of crap.

Mish.

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If you didn't notice i pointed it out in my message and tried to underline it.

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Your misunderstanding lies in your assumption that TMO is here only for you, your own interests, your own needs... Imagine, TMO also hosts various developers who might be interested in, or even working on the MeeGo project, developers who, together with users and tinkerers, make the TMO be such a nice community and provide other users with goodies that keep making their devices even more awesome than they really are, dispite the total lack of interest from the manufacturer and sole beneficiary of the said devices. And then you go telling them that they are, basicaly, incompetent and that there has been no result of their efforts, even tho you seem not to know the first thing about MeeGo to be able to judge on whether the work done on it has merits or not.

And you don't stop there, you go as far as collectively calling each and every developer unprofessional if they refuse to work in, or switch to environments they don't find worth the interest, or they don't find them to be 'the right tool for the job', or... By your standards a professional developer can be equated to a prostitute, and even most prostitutes will refuse their service if they find the client repulsive. What gives you the right to judge a whole group of people you know nothing about? Developers are not trained monkeys, they are human - they have their preferences, they have their opinions, they might even, god forbid, hold some ideals... Just because you can't seem to understand that doesn't make them any less professional.

And lets not forget various users, non-developers here who might be interested in having the MeeGo project succeed and thus either give a life extension to their aging, abandoned by the manufacturer devices, or produce them a device in the future that fullfills their needs. If I put my user hat on, I have every interest in seeing MeeGo succeed and no interest at all in having a WP7-like world. If I wanted a WP7-like system, I wouldn't be typing this on my N900, I would've got the iPhone long time ago. As a user, not a developer!

And yet again you go about your egocentric point of view. The world does not revolve around you and whether you can understand and/or use something doesn't say anything about that 'something'. In the past several pages of this thread you've been doing nothing but bashing MeeGo without having a clue what MeeGo is - instead you're presenting your own misconceptions about it as a fact. You've been expressing the concern of an end-user, yet you not only fail to understand that different users need different things, you go as far as to claim that you know what a professional developer is and downright discard other people's work based on what you consider valuable.

I'm sorry, but each and every argument you're presenting here is flawed and self-centered, and repeating them in different wording borderlines with tautology.