Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

One question.

How many Maemo 5 phones were sold. Not that one time they actually said that it sold 100k in six weeks. But real numbers... until then, what are you comparing it to?

I know that you're not comparing it to actual numbers that Nokia has published. So... all I see is still opinion backed by very little else.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I take that, that question is to me?
Maemo 5 was sold more like some mobile computer than as a phone. Also, right from the beginning, it has been projected only as a developer device. Also when, maemo5 was on market, it was during that time Nokia thought about MeeGo with Intel and so they stopped promoting/advertising (if any) maemo5.

So, direct comparison of numbers here won't help you at all.

For MS, WM7 was pretty damn serious stuff. They spent lot of money on promoting WM7 itself!

You know what the killing part to me is: I like both Nokia & Microsoft but I don't want them to be together on this atleast. Wishful thinking? We will have to wait and see!

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Like...

WP7 employs more, if not most, stringent policies in controlling the applications installed, e.g. it does not support native (and unsigned) applications delivered through CAB files, which is in effectively killing the ecosystem that WM has been building for years.

If Nokia really care so much about establishing an ecosystem, then WP7 would not be a suitable option, at least at this stage. May be nobody here is in position to critize Microsoft's mobile marketing strategy, but it seems that their policies on WP7 is heading to quite the opposite direction where Nokia is heading (on Maemo/MeeGo initiatives).

Unless, of course, Elop would like to change the course of Nokia and align their strategies with Microsoft's. That'd be definitely a great news for Samsaung, HTC, Song, etc.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

The fact that people are so quickly to jump the gun about WP7 with absolutely nothing to back it up and speak about things as if it were fact is still amazing.

My question was to anybody that could definitively answer. I'll repeat it without any caveats and/or qualifiers - how many N900's were sold?

I don't need to know that it was a developer device. I don't need to know it wasn't marketed as a mass media device. If you truly believe both, then you should also believe that decisions like that are the reason why Nokia is in the shithouse right now.

So let's stick with facts. Not speculation. Not fanboy adoration of what they think Nokia should do. Just stick to the facts ma'am.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I'm not sure if I've not seen this listed in this thread...

Computerworld blog post here...

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Desktop Windows has a huge lock-in factor - all those legacy apps and apps that are only available for Windows makes ditching Windows hard. They can release **** and many people will still be "forced" to buy it. Vista may have been a total failure in software terms, but it allowed MS to make even more money - once, by forced bundling into new computers/notebooks, and again when people have to pay to upgrade back to XP.

In phones MS has no lock-in advantage to exploit. And WP7 isn't even compatible with old WM. If WM was a separate business it would have folded a long long time ago. MS has pumped billions of dollars into it and in return are rewarded with miniscule and still declining market share.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I think Nokia can sell any OS.
Think about it while Nokia was selling tens of millions of s60 devices, samsung mobile and SE was dropped to almost non existent making a loss putting out failure after failure trying to sell symbian s60/uiq.
Towards the End Samsung and SE was putting out S60 devices with miles better specs but still lost to Nokias average spec'd devices like N96 & N97.
Which makes me think its only the Brand Nokia what as kept Symbian alive these past few years b/c people want a Nokia device.
I don't think a different OS will change anything for 90% of Current Nokia consumers they will just follow suite quietly, but it could open the mind of People at the highend who have never touched Nokia based on the hate they hear surrounding Symbian.
Lets just hope it's MeeGo on future devices that the millions go crazy for and not anything else

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

So will we be having a MeeGo N9 partay in 6hrs or a WP7/Android sobb story?!?!

The wait is killing me o.0

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I'm not sure where you want to go with your question. But I assume that you know that Nokia never released sales numbers for the N900 to the public. The only people able to answer your question would be Nokia insiders.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Exactly.

My point is that people are comparing sales of WP7 or other platforms without really having anything to compare to in regards to Maemo 5.

You can't compare the known numbers of one platform over an unknown number. That's like saying "I know that Option A sold 1.7 million units... but I think Option B sold 1.8 million units. So it wins!"

When honestly all you're going by is your opinion and you're stating things like it's fact when... it's not.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

nobody knows the sales numbers of Windows Phone 7 either, Microsoft never released them.
All we know is they sold 2 million licenses to device makers, we have no idea how many devices ended up on shelves or even moved off them into the consumers hands. so Knowing Maemo5 figures would help nothing to use in comparison any way.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

So, why do you not simply state your point instead of asking questions that can't be answered?

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Discussion and reality are entirely different when it comes to Nokia and if you look at the growing trend they are setting it is obvious the N900 did not meet their expectations and that is the reason they chop and change with idea's.
Nokia are only interested in one thing only and that is making money, the customer comes last in there eyes sadly to say, otherwise we would have Meego already on the N900.

Dont need to know how many sold as all we need to know in reality is what OS will be available outside of Maemo.

Meego WP7/Android are all eventually going to be available for the N900 at some stage in time so i guess the hardest bit is the waiting, as for Nokia as a company they suck BIG time and now i listen to NOTHING QGIL has to say because he talks with empty promises and hopes, may not be his fault but Nokia are on a hell bent trail to domineer the market... sadly to our expense !.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

err shouldn't you compare similar specced pieces of software? that would automatically drop maemo 5 and you'd need to compare wp7 to symbian or speculatively to meego....

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Probably too little too late. Whilst Samsung and SE had been flaunting their promiscuity by flirting with MS, Nokia had been making a lot of extras apps that they bundle with their S60vX phones. For me at least these bundled apps (and other free apps that you can download nokialabs) makes the difference between choosing a Nokia Symbian and some other Symbian phone. And whilst they may have had nice hardware both the SE Satio and the Samsung i8910 HD had "issues" which prevented them from working to their full potential. By the time some of these issues were resolved the market had moved on.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I think some people are putting way too much into this. Nokia cannot abandon Symbian and MeeGo just like that. They cannot make a WP7 phone overnight.

Nokia most certainly have a dual core A9 ready, but at the moment the only OS ready for shipping on it is WP7 (in addition to Android, maybe). Symbian needs some work on that device and MeeGo needs lots of work. Question is - what is MS willing to pay and do for Nokia to sell it with WP7.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

i have some news MeeGo announcement incoming stay tuned
from the same source who gave me the info about the Maemo/Moblin merger i leaked in link below before, the Media had no leads on that and i broke it hours before press conference.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=10

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Ahonen *may* be right as well as wrong, but many of his points were extremely selectively nitpicky.

The problem with the "burning platform memo" is that it *sounds* legit. Remember that in the media perception equals reality, and the world's mainstream media ran with this memo.

Broadcasters like the BBC are believed to try and verify "news" before it comes out of the megaphone every half hour... and in that case the Nokia HQ would have easily said "it's a hoax".

We, the good Maem^^eeGo people *know* that the platform has been burning for some time. Now the masses and businesses worldwide "know" the same thing.

Whatever Nokia announces at the "Capital Market Day" (or wtf ever obscure happening they chose for this presumably upcoming announcement) won't do much to repair the damage caused - some would say deservedly - to Nokia's image as a mobile communications leader.

I haven't spent much time here recently trying to keep up with every knife-twisting turn (or lack thereof) but having followed Maemo since the pioneering 770 tablet came out and then lurked and eventually joined this forum when I finally managed to buy the N800 and having seen Nokia ignore so many blindingly obvious suggestions and observations by our trend-setting group of willing guinea-pigs... how the **** did they manage to squander all that headstart away!?

PS. Over the years I've had direct communications with a number of managers (as a small fry with grassroots perspective), some in companies bigger than Nokia in their heyday, and I've never been so totally ignored than by the Nokia/Maemo people, despite having spent record time building a solid case. :o

Finland's famous flat hierarchies apparently don't apply at Nokia!...

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/5984678.cms

So maybe 250,000 units to date... (probably less)

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Worldwide? That's kinda sad.. it deserved far more than what Nokia and the community did for it

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Or more, or less. We don't know. Why is this relevant for this thread?

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...r-sales-claims

"FINNISH PHONE FIRM Nokia has responded to claims that it has sold less than 100,000 N900 smartphones, telling The INQUIRER that the number is much higher than previously reported.

According to an earlier Reuters report based on Gartner figures, Nokia only managed to sell less than 100,000 top-of-the-range N900 smartphones in its first five months on the market.

However, Nokia has since told The INQUIRER that the original figure quoted by Reuters was incorrect, and that it actually sold more than 100,000 Nokia N900s in the first five weeks.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

I think this is all just a big setup by Elop for tomorrow's event.


Elop will get up on stage, then a brilliant pyrotechnic will engulf him in flame effect and he'll jump toward the crowd and crowdsurf his way toward Steve Ballmer.... which is waiting at the back of the auditorium to hand him a golden N9..... running WP7.

http://manolomen.com/images/Nude%20Crowd%20Surfing.jpg

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

@cBeam: it's (part of) Nokia's bargaining power when dealing with Google and MS.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

In fairness.. if sales of the N900 were that poor.. no wonder they are so slow to bring out firmware updates.

Only a few hours to go now

breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

according to bloomberg tv. goodbye meego?

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

So they've started posting stuff on http://conversations.nokia.com

Like the Open Letter from CEO Stephen Elop, Nokia and CEO Steve Ballmer, Microsoft

And you were all right: "Nokia will adopt Windows Phone as its primary smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader."

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

heres your news meego will be killed in the end
Elop and Ballmer announce partnership on video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3ks...layer_embedded

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

GLOBAL – Today in London, our two companies announced plans for a broad strategic partnership that combines the respective strengths of our companies and builds a new global mobile ecosystem. The partnership increases our scale, which will result in significant benefits for consumers, developers, mobile operators and businesses around the world. We both are incredibly excited about the journey we are on together.

While the specific details of the deal are being worked out, here’s a quick summary of what we are working towards:

• Nokia will adopt Windows Phone as its primary smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.

• Nokia will help drive and define the future of Windows Phone. Nokia will contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.

• Nokia and Microsoft will closely collaborate on development, joint marketing initiatives and a shared development roadmap to align on the future evolution of mobile products.

• Bing will power Nokia’s search services across Nokia devices and services, giving customers access to Bing’s next generation search capabilities. Microsoft adCenter will provide search advertising services on Nokia’s line of devices and services.

• Nokia Maps will be a core part of Microsoft’s mapping services. For example, Maps would be integrated with Microsoft’s Bing search engine and adCenter advertising platform to form a unique local search and advertising experience.

• Nokia’s extensive operator billing agreements will make it easier for consumers to purchase Nokia Windows Phone services in countries where credit-card use is low.

• Microsoft development tools will be used to create applications to run on Nokia Windows Phones, allowing developers to easily leverage the ecosystem’s global reach.

• Microsoft will continue to invest in the development of Windows Phone and cloud services so customers can do more with their phone, across their work and personal lives.

• Nokia’s content and application store will be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience.

We each bring incredible assets to the table. Nokia’s history of innovation in the hardware space, global hardware scale, strong history of intellectual property creation and navigation assets are second to none. Microsoft is a leader in software and services; the company’s incredible expertise in platform creation forms the opportunity for its billions of customers and millions of partners to get more out of their devices.

Together, we have some of the world’s most admired brands, including Windows, Office, Bing, Xbox Live, NAVTEQ and Nokia. We also have a shared understanding of what it takes to build and sustain a mobile ecosystem, which includes the entire experience from the device to the software to the applications, services and the marketplace.

Today, the battle is moving from one of mobile devices to one of mobile ecosystems, and our strengths here are complementary. Ecosystems thrive when they reach scale, when they are fueled by energy and innovation and when they provide benefits and value to each person or company who participates. This is what we are creating; this is our vision; this is the work we are driving from this day forward.

There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them.

There will be challenges. We will overcome them.

Success requires speed. We will be swift.

Together, we see the opportunity, and we have the will, the resources and the drive to succeed.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

It's not long now...

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_S_QOl2ziOgk/TV..._Microsoft.jpg

Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Interesting run 1865-2011.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Oh whaat! Damn you Elop!

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

old and false news.


e: press release is really disappointing. meego just got a future similar to maemo: in the shadows...

Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

oh god.

nokia and microsoft suicide pact.

Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

well now - that's unfortunate

Windows Phone it is

Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

This was my biggest fear ever.... Now I'm depressed..

Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 

how nice. Developers who believed the qt/symbian/meego story will love nokia for this.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 

Giving up on all this Nokia/Maemo/Meego stuff will free up my time nicely.

Always look up on the bright side.

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